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post #14221 of 15602 Old 09-21-2016, 05:19 PM
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Problems with KGO-7

Does anyone have an idea on what's going on with KGO 7.1. I've never seen it pixellate and break-up this bad. Started around 5pm with the news.
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Does anyone have an idea on what's going on with KGO 7.1. I've never seen it pixellate and break-up this bad. Started around 5pm with the news.
I see that KGO VC 7 RF 35 got 185780 missed packets at ~ 5:30 PM.

KGO VC 7 RF 7 got a large number of transport errors (104) at 7 AM.

It is hard to tell with samples thirty minutes apart, the intense test for RF 7 just started and looks clean.

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Thanks. Seems to be ok now at 5:50pm. I was very surprised to see KGO this bad. "Stuff" happens I guess.
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Thanks for the Walnut Grove antenna info, Chuck. I've saved it for future reference.

The signals I receive from Walnut Grove are way out of line for what TVFool says they should be. They show KQCA way lower than the VHFs, 13 and 31, and that's the way it is under the unusual conditions I had yesterday, but normally KQCA is best. Weird, huh? KOVR has always been weaker than 6, 10, 31 and 58 here. About half the time it's below the cliff edge, while the other four are normally coming in.

Last night as the signals weakened a bit, KQCA started to get stronger again. This morning it was back to being the strongest of the group.

I used to see KCRA in here solid until the KGO translator when on the air, then I'd see if occasionally, but for the past few months I haven't seen it at all. I get some signal on 35 that holds at about 13-14 dB, but I don't know if it's KCRA or KGO that I'm receiving. I have never seen the KGO translator here. The KTVU translator either, for that matter, but I get KAXT 1 and KEXT 27 about 80% of the time.

It's these interesting reception situations that have kept me interested in TV reception since I was a kid back in New Hampshire. You never know what might happen.

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Haven't gotten my GetTV for several weeks now, used to get it on both 4.3 and 14.3. Something change?
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Haven't gotten my GetTV for several weeks now, used to get it on both 4.3 and 14.3. Something change?

Just checked it and it's on 4.3, 14.3 and 64.3. Rescan your TV?

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They're still on my tuner, just says low signal strength. And Journey to the Center of the Earth is on tonight!
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I also own the "Digiair pro". You may have the overload step attenuator on ... and not even know it .... Turn it off for true readings.
Hi Ben – There does not seem to be anything related to a step attenuator when I look at my menu options. Or maybe I am lost in the terminology. The options are:

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With my setup I think I am in really good shape with my attic mount system. It is only this one channel I wanted to try and tweak. I don’t care much about the other 2Edge channels.

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Great. And for what it is worth, I did do a google search even before I posted the question. I gave up after my 5 minute rule expired as all the pages I saw led me around for too long with out getting to the point, which is why I asked here. Much appreciated for you to cut to the chase for me.

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Wildfire ignites in Santa Cruz mountains on Loma Prieta peak

http://www.ksbw.com/article/wildfire...ntains/3859834

The pictures show the fire is right in the field of transmitters.

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Conditions have been varying a lot since this afternoon and now into the evening. I've seen some of the Walnut Grove stations get as high as 29 dB SNR and then drop down to 16-17 dB and then climb back up again. KOVR reached 22 dB and KCRA was watchable for a while when it got above the cliff edge into the 15-16 dB range. I was also able to detect KTFK 64.1, .3 and .4 for a while. KQCA 58, which has been solid in the 19-20 dB range for the past week, dropped below the cliff edge for most of the day. It's been interesting to watch all of the changes.

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The FCC is proposing a phased repack by DMA. Here's the story from "TV Technology":

http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/000...-repack/279539

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The FCC is proposing a phased repack by DMA. Here's the story from "TV Technology":

http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/000...-repack/279539

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The TSPPN outlines a 10-phase transition and announces that TV stations will receive confidential letters with their final channel assignments shortly after the final stage rule is satisfied so they can finalize equipment orders.

So stations that have to move will be assigned new channels and have no choice what the are? A UHF station may end up on low or high VHF?

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The TSPPN outlines a 10-phase transition and announces that TV stations will receive confidential letters with their final channel assignments shortly after the final stage rule is satisfied so they can finalize equipment orders.

So stations that have to move will be assigned new channels and have no choice what the are? A UHF station may end up on low or high VHF?

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No, but a station on a UHF channel may be assigned to a different UHF channel. Only stations that bid to receive money can be moved to a lower band.

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REV'N is now on KFTL 28.5
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Thumbs down KNTV Ch. 11.1 audio & video issues just started again

Started five minutes ago. Worse than the Olympic disruptions. Includes total screen severe pixellation.

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I have seen big problems with Toast0's KCSM VC 60 RF 43 graph for many days.

I ran a test the other day with perfect results.

EDIT: At ~ 9 PM 10/5/2016 KCSM VC 60 RF 43 was useless.


KCSM's Transmitter has a problem, don't touch your antenna. I will post when they fix it. SHF 10/8/2016


It appears that shifting Toast0's antenna just a little bit has changed his reception for RF 43.


So, if you move your antenna expect problems. When my antenna was taken down for termites the installer put it back up using the same bolts onto the same holes and I have seen no differences.

http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...hp?cat=2165469

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REV'N is now on KFTL 28.5
As is Retro. I am receiving two 28.5 channels.
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Started five minutes ago. Worse than the Olympic disruptions. Includes total screen severe pixellation.
I ran a test for ~ 60 minutes and it was all good, no problems.

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I ran a test for ~ 60 minutes and it was all good, no problems.

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It is now occurring less often, maybe every 3-5 minutes, A & V, briefer, and less severe.

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not sure if this is the correct forum here... but i live in south san jose and am just stepping (cheaply) into OTA reception. cord cutting... all that jazz. and my main concern at the moment is really just warriors Niners and sharks.

so here is the question... whats a cheap entry level antenna? Indoor or outdoor?

any and all guidance is appreciated.

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not sure if this is the correct forum here... but i live in south san jose and am just stepping (cheaply) into OTA reception. cord cutting... all that jazz. and my main concern at the moment is really just warriors Niners and sharks.

so here is the question... whats a cheap entry level antenna? Indoor or outdoor?

any and all guidance is appreciated.

thanks.

Please add a link to your TV Fool report to your post above. We need to know what the signals are like at your location. South San Jose is likely to require an outdoor antenna. There's no such thing as an entry level antenna. Your location will dictate what antenna you need. Which channels carry the Warriors and Sharks?

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Warriors - CSN Bay Area
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Perhaps a few regular season games might be broadcast OTA...

At least the NFL hasn't contracted with the subscription-based providers for most of their games.

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ok, here is the TV fool report.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cb82b38948f9

So as it seems most local sports are on CSN (which if i am figuring right is not OTA) what options are there? just a few straggler games here and there?

i was looking at the Solid Signal HDB4X and attaching it about 15-20' off the ground. i have some trees, but pretty much an unobstructed view up the valley towards the cluster of stations at 330 degrees on the tv fool report.

new to all this cord cutting. SO far my plan is OTA (with a tivo) and hulu. any other suggestions are all appreciated.

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ok, here is the TV fool report.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...e2cb82b38948f9

So as it seems most local sports are on CSN (which if i am figuring right is not OTA) what options are there? just a few straggler games here and there?

i was looking at the Solid Signal HDB4X and attaching it about 15-20' off the ground. i have some trees, but pretty much an unobstructed view up the valley towards the cluster of stations at 330 degrees on the tv fool report.

new to all this cord cutting. SO far my plan is OTA (with a tivo) and hulu. any other suggestions are all appreciated.

The good news is that all the SF stations are strong and line-of-sight. The HDB4X is a UHF only antenna and you need a high VHF antenna for 7 and 11. I'd try a Winegard HD7694P. That should receive the stations in Fremont even pointed towards SF because they are so strong.

If local sports is your main thing then you're stuck with cable.

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what about this one?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/5816698210.html

its a Channel Master Advantage 100

trying to keep things cheap at present. so leaning to used.

do i stand a chance with an indoor one?

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what about this one?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ele/5816698210.html

its a Channel Master Advantage 100

trying to keep things cheap at present. so leaning to used.

do i stand a chance with an indoor one?

You could use that antenna but unless you're looking for the religious station on channel 2 all those large elements will go to waste.

I cannot recommend an indoor antenna for anyone 44 miles from the transmitters.

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ok thanks. one thing... i can see 7 on the list (KGO) but i cannot for the life of me see 11. am i blind? which channel is 11?

thanks again.

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ok thanks. one thing... i can see 7 on the list (KGO) but i cannot for the life of me see 11. am i blind? which channel is 11?

thanks again.
KNTV Virt 11 RF 12 (NBC)

Number eight from the top.

When looking at antennas you need the RF channel, not the Virtual one.

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Larry Kenney maintains the list of stations here.

The first link is for the Virtual Channel Sort.

The list sorted by RF channel link is at the top of that list. Here also is a link:

http://www.choisser.com/sfonair2.html

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will i need any kind of amplifier or the like to boost it all do you think?

i am feeding it into a TIvo premiere.

thanks for all the help.

I feel like a total fool in all of this. for context, i have worked in AV for the last 25 years. projectors, video walls, sound, lights, control... i am all over this stuff...

this is the kind of stuff i build in my day job...


but this stuff... oy! no idea at all.

So thanks again.

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