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I wondered how hard it would be to convert Larry's "Digital Television DTV - HDTV Channel List" to a spreadsheet / database format to keep track of the repack activity.

Turned out to be very simple even though Larry I suspect does not use ether.

Here is a CSV file should anyone wish to keep track on their own.

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Forget all the nonsense I typed, here is an exact solution for a post on Jan 9, 2017, see post 15 in the thread:

http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10583

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SOB. Not you but WTH. Why is RF 35.1 even in the source?!

Thank you kind sir for researching this issue for me! Its like "SunnyR" was my twin having the same exact problem.

I may have been receiving from RF 35.1 all this time and thinking its RF 7 (yes folks have hinted at checking this in the beginning). But as you know, WMC has a sucky interface.

I found the same solution last night. I had also chosen SF-SJC-Oakland as the TV signal lineup. But I tried another and found that the SF-Sacramento choice to have the right RF 7 and its solid. I still get KTVU FOX.

Thanks a lot! it sure saved me a lot of $.

P.S. This explains why WMC behaved but the rescan of my Samsung TV , why did that help?

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SOB. Not you but WTH. Why is RF 35.1 even in the source?!

Thank you kind sir for researching this issue for me! Its like "SunnyR" was my twin having the same exact problem.

I may have been receiving from RF 35.1 all this time and thinking its RF 7 (yes folks have hinted at checking this in the beginning). But as you know, WMC has a sucky interface.

I found the same solution last night. I had also chosen SF-SJC-Oakland as the TV signal lineup. But I tried another and found that the SF-Sacramento choice to have the right RF 7 and its solid. I still get KTVU FOX.

Thanks a lot! it sure saved me a lot of $.

P.S. This explains why WMC behaved but the rescan of my Samsung TV , why did that help?
Well, Mt. Allison ( RF 35) might be closer to Oakland and SJC than Sutro thus some person in Garden City (choose your state) thought they were helping.

It would take some more research to discover what changed at the same time. Maybe a different person was assigned to maintaining the files and thought they spotted an error.

With my needing to maintain five different lists and the main one having some entries using VC some of the time and RF some of the time for the streams I capture plus being caught if I put the wrong call letters / VC channel / RF channel / Mountain Top in a post ... .

I will be having fun during the repack. I just posted the start of a spreadsheet for me to keep track should I need to resort to one.

Each ATSC tuner is programmed by different people in each company / model / year that nothing is the same. And the transition to ATSC 3.0 may break some HDTVs ability to function. One omission in the PSIP caused one person big problems resulting in the discovery that a MPG4 test was being performed by KQED Inc.

The weather and other factors may cause different full scan results.

I even needed to poke the 900 lb gorilla (KQED Inc.) to change the program listing they were producing to fix a problem.


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Bob Hess of KOVR/KMAX has given me permission to pass this along.

KOVR is staying on RF 25.

KMAX will be moving to RF 24. No antenna decision has been made for the new KMAX location.

I decided to go ahead and e-mail all the Sacramento full power TV stations requesting information on their repack results. I hope to hear something from at least some of them. Anything I find out I will pass along.

Maybe someone in the SF market would like to contact your stations.

Larry, Do you still know anyone at KGO? I bet they're not moving.

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Thanks for the update on KOVR and KMAX. I wonder why KMAX is moving?

I've sent an email to the Chief Engineer at KGO and I'll let you know what I hear.

It's interesting to hear that KRCB will be moving to VHF. I read the linked article and they don't indicate where they're going to move to, but I think channel 11 is a good possibility or maybe channel 13. We'll see!

I was going to take up your suggestion about coming up with my projections on what's going to happen with the new channels, but the more I thought about the more it turned into a big guessing game. We already have two announcements that I wouldn't have even considered, so I'm glad I didn't bother.

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I wondered how hard it would be to convert Larry's "Digital Television DTV - HDTV Channel List" to a spreadsheet / database format to keep track of the repack activity.

Turned out to be very simple even though Larry I suspect does not use ether.

Here is a CSV file should anyone wish to keep track on their own.

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You're right -- I don't use a spreadsheet. My files are all written with TABLES in basic HTML. While spreadsheets might work okay, using basic HTML I can make the list look like I want it to look.

What I plan to do as new channel assignments are announced is add a third channel column indicating "Post Auction Channel". It'll be quick and easy. I guess I could already start it with the announcement of the KMAX change to channel 24.

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Here are a few interesting comments regarding ATSC 3.0 that I read in a magazine article today:

Consumer electronics manufacturers are not going to build devices and seed the market with them unless they know that they are going to make some money on them. And broadcasters aren’t going to put ATSC 3.0 signals on the air until they know there is something out there to receive them. It’s a classic “chicken and egg” situation, but one that might be resolved if broadcasters do start offering ATSC 3.0 services and their benefits.

Although the transition to ATSC 3.0 and the auction/repack are decoupled, many broadcasters are hoping that they occur at about the same time. This would allow broadcasters to address any changes made necessary by both the transition and repack with just one facility update, rather than two. Right now, it’s looking likely that these will happen at similar times.

These comments came from Dr. Richard Chernock, chair of the ATSC’s Technology and Standards Group, at an IEEE Broadcast Symposium.

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That's biggest list I've seen. Both KVIE and KIXE are unchanged. Not a surprise since both are on VHF 9.

I thought that KRCB could be a candidate to go off but that's not so. RF 11 or 13 would be a logical guess but who knows what other changes on VHF there might be.

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Thanks for the update on KOVR and KMAX. I wonder why KMAX is moving?

I assume that the FCC repack software determined that a move was necessary to make all the stations fit.

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I assume that the FCC repack software determined that a move was necessary to make all the stations fit.
I think we have a winner.

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I assume that the FCC repack software determined that a move was necessary to make all the stations fit.

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I am curious to find out what channel KRCB got. I got letters from the FCC stating that KKPM-CD will keeps its current channel of 28 and that KRDT-CD will keeps its current channel of 23. I really thought that KKPM-CD would get a new channel, since it seemed to me that a full power station on 28 on Sutro would receive 5% interference from KKPM. This makes me think that KFTL-CD on channel 28 on San Bruno may have not been sold in the auction, but then again maybe a station further south ended up with channel 28 in the SF Bay area.


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Each ATSC tuner is programmed by different people in each company / model / year that nothing is the same. And the transition to ATSC 3.0 may break some HDTVs ability to function. One omission in the PSIP caused one person big problems resulting in the discovery that a MPG4 test was being performed by KQED Inc.
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Chuck or somebody, can you provide a link back in this thread for the ATSC 3.0 transition post that comments are better that the original post.

I want to ensure that the ATSC 3.0 thread has a link to that discussion.

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Its a good feeling I won't be alone when hell 3.0 comes.


ATSC 3.0 is the best thing since sliced cheese. It will work in a mobile environment, and it has a new HEVC Codec that is four times as efficient as MPEG2. Therefore, instead of running 10 SD channels, we'll be able to air 10 HD channels. Also, the low VHF channels will work much better. What is there not to like about ATSC 3.0?


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ATSC 3.0 is the best thing since sliced cheese. ...
What is there not to like about ATSC 3.0?

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The fact that "NEW" ATSC 3.0 HDTV's will need to be purchased. And they will need a method to update the firmware or they will be another huge rip off.

My new Sony which was built in May does update the firmware, well the addition of more $$ Pay streams supported. But not the one I subscribe to. http://watch.mhzchoice.com/

That will not help as the RF hardware section cannot be changed.

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Forking over $ to update hardware that I have already updated.
Out of the 184 channels I pick up OTA, I use the 5 major ones.

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I received an email this afternoon from Rich Tom, CE of KGO-TV.

He advises that KGO did receive a letter from the FCC on Repack Channel Assignment, but the ABC Legal Department has advised all ABC O&O stations to enter a silent period until the FCC publishes the Public Notice on the Final Broadcast Transition Channel Reassignment. So he can't tell me if or where KGO on Sutro and the KGO translator on Mt. Allison will be moving to.

He was surprised that CBS O&O's KOVR and KMAX have announced their repack results.

He also added this:

There is an AVS FORUM member who really has issues with the D-35 translator. He calls it a joke. He does not know how much KGO has spent, and the time and effort we've spent maintaining this translator. I have to agree that it is not 100% perfect, but it’s close. I have had very little problem with this translator in recent months.

So that's the latest from KGO.

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As for ATSC 3.0, I think it's going to be a fantastic service. From what I've read, and as Keith said, stations will be able to send out a lot more information in their 6 MHz channel assignment and it will work well for mobile and cellphone reception, too. They also think 3.0 will work better on low VHF than 1.0 does.

As I wrote yesterday, the people involved say that the "chicken and egg" problem is going to be the biggest problem to solve. Manufacturers don't want to build new TVs for 3.0 until they know that people will buy them. Stations don't want to spent the money to build a 3.0 station until there are receivers to receive the signal. The writer thinks it'll all be worked out. He also thinks that the repack changes and ATSC 3.0 will happen simultaneously so that stations will only have to have one building project instead of two.

It has been proposed that stations will "buddy up" and share. One station will transmit the two stations in ATSC 1.0 and the other will transmit the two stations in ATSC 3.0.

We have exciting times ahead!

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The quiet period was lifted for broadcasters specifically so stations could share channel assignments among themselves (and potentially the public) and start coordinating for the repack. A silent period defeats the purpose.

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The quiet period was lifted for broadcasters specifically so stations could share channel assignments among themselves (and potentially the public) and start coordinating for the repack. A silent period defeats the purpose.

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British arrested people must answer questions, we in the US do not.

It's who makes the law that dictate what we must do, Lawyers can over write the intent of the law. And advertise on TV for suckers to ask for participation in the Lawyer Lottery.

But in the end the blame will fall on congress forcing the silence fearing that they will be voted out of office when the public discovered what was done with "Free TV".

EDIT: Oh, and if they MUST but a new HDTV at the same time. or (ATSC 3.0)

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Chuck or somebody, can you provide a link back in this thread for the ATSC 3.0 transition post that comments are better that the original post.

I want to ensure that the ATSC 3.0 thread has a link to that discussion.

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Is this what you're looking for?

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...C-343305A1.pdf

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The quiet period was lifted for broadcasters specifically so stations could share channel assignments among themselves (and potentially the public) and start coordinating for the repack. A silent period defeats the purpose.

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It sounds like many of the stations don't understand so they've just going to let the FCC do it.

I did receive a response from KVIE saying that nothing is changing for them. I also e-mailed Doug Lung asking about KNTV/KSTS but he said he'd been instructed by management not to disclose the information. All he said was that KNTV was staying on VHF and that KSTS was moving. I took that to mean that KSTS will not be channel sharing with KNTV as I thought might have been the case.

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http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...C-343305A1.pdf

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NO.

It was a paper on how to transition from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0 and the comments showed some problems that the initial author did not cover. You had to read down many posts before you got to the most interesting part.

You made a comment saying the replies were better than the initial paper. I wish the AVS search was useful, it failed me and I looked at lots of your posts and did not find it.

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NO.

It was a paper on how to transition from ATSC 1.0 to 3.0 and the comments showed some problems that the initial author did not cover. You had to read down many posts before you got to the most interesting part.

You made a comment saying the replies were better than the initial paper. I wish the AVS search was useful, it failed me and I looked at lots of your posts and did not find it.

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I remember my comment, but like you, I have trouble searching AVS. If I really want to save something I bookmark it right away.

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That's biggest list I've seen. Both KVIE and KIXE are unchanged. Not a surprise since both are on VHF 9.

I thought that KRCB could be a candidate to go off but that's not so. RF 11 or 13 would be a logical guess but who knows what other changes on VHF there might be.

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Hi Chuck,


I don't think 11 or 13 would be good for KRCB, since they would be wiped out by KNTV over San Francisco (about 40% of their coverage would be interfered with). For the upper VHF, we've had channels 8 and 11 function as a buffer between the Sacramento market and San Francisco market so that 9 and 10 in Sacramento don't get interference from San Francisco and so that 7 and 12 and vice-versa. So, it is not so simple for KRCB to move to 8, 11 or 13. I think what works is to move San Francisco 7 to channel 13 so that channel 7 is freed up for KRCB and the buffer channels of 8 and 11 are maintained between the two markets.


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I don't think 11 or 13 would be good for KRCB, since they would be wiped out by KNTV over San Francisco (about 40% of their coverage would be interfered with). For the upper VHF, we've had channels 8 and 11 function as a buffer between the Sacramento market and San Francisco market so that 9 and 10 in Sacramento don't get interference from San Francisco and so that 7 and 12 and vice-versa. So, it is not so simple for KRCB to move to 8, 11 or 13. I think what works is to move San Francisco 7 to channel 13 so that channel 7 is freed up for KRCB and the buffer channels of 8 and 11 are maintained between the two markets.


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I understand what you're saying but what about KCBA on 13? Maybe that would move to some other channel?

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So, it is not so simple for KRCB to move to 8, 11 or 13.
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I understand what you're saying but what about KCBA on 13? Maybe that would move to some other channel?

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I understand what you're saying but what about KCBA on 13? Maybe that would move to some other channel?

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I keep thinking that KRCB might be going to VHF-Lo, looking has found nothing to support that idea except the $72M payout.

For other PBS stations the money is much less and there seems to be a trend to maximize the money, the KRCB story sure read like they need the maximum amount.

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Right now, channel 11 is the only one that doesn't have a local signal on it. 7 and 12, of course, are in SF/SJ, 8 is atop Mt. Diablo and Salinas, 9 and 10 Walnut Grove and 13 Salinas.

Since 8 is low power, it might have to move or go away.

On Low VHF Keith has two 2's, a 3, and a 4, with plans for 5 and 6.

As I said, we have exciting times ahead.

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I just found this on the Satellite Guys site OTA thread:

FCC To Announce Auction Winners In April

By Staff, TVNewsCheck, February 14, 2017 3:51 PM EST

The tell-all notice on who got what in the reverse auction and who's going where in the repack will be issued shortly following the end of the assignment auction, now set for March 30.
The tell-all public notice in which the FCC will reveal what broadcasters sold stations in the incentive auction and how much they got for them should emerge in April — if the FCC keeps to its schedule.

The notice will also contain information on the post-auction repacking, including how many and which stations will have to move to new channels and the new channel assignments.

The FCC had always planned to issue the much-anticipated notice soon after the end of the assignment auction, in which wireless carriers that won generic blocks of spectrum in the forward auction can bid for specific frequencies.

The FCC said today that the assignment auction will begin March 6 and end March 30. That means the tell-all notice should be out sometime in April, giving broadcasters at the NAB Show in Las Vegas (April 22-27) plenty to talk about.

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