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Thanks Chuck... Link posted above...

My must haves are the typical network channels:
  • KTVU (Fox)
  • KPIX (CBS)
  • KGO (ABC)
  • KNTV (NBC)
  • KBCW (CW)

Nice to Haves would include:
  • KRON
  • KOFY
  • KQED
  • KICU
These are all either on Mt. San Bruno or Sutro Tower except for KICU. I wouldn't go with anything less than the Winegard HD7698P. It has both VHF and UHF. You should not have any trouble with KGO and KNTV on VHF. You should not have to concern yourself with the translators in Fremont. You want to mount the antenna so it's in the clear as much as possible. Starring into a tree is a bad idea. You may receive KICU without having to rotate the antenna but multipath is very bad in the Bay Area because of the hills.

I say this to everyone who brings up the Wife Acceptance Factor. The antenna you need is determined by your location, not what anyone thinks looks acceptable. If the WAF is the top consideration then free TV isn't really a priority. You should stick with cable.

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+1. Fortunately for me the WAF was not a consideration so a big-ass, 78 element Winegard, roof mounted 30'AGL works perfectly for us, with very little issues. We get all of the above, and many more without having to use the rotor (which I've never really used other than to fine tune the antenna direction once).
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@MikeekiM01 , all your stations are line-of-sight. While it is true multi-path can be problematic in the bay area, you may have better results than some locations. I agree the HD7698P is a good antenna. VHF may be more useful a couple years from now after the channel repack takes effect (although there is a VHF dipole add-on for the bowtie antenna, it won't have as much gain as the VHF portion of the HD7698P). You've got a better chance of receiving KICU (and other Fremont transmitters) without rotating the antenna with the broad beam DB4e, however.

It could be either one would work fine, you're in a good spot for reception.

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Hi fellow Bay Area OTAers!

I am new to this thread...and new to the whole Bay Area OTA experience. Just cut the cord about two weeks ago... I live in Sunnyvale in a one-story house near the new Apple 2 Headquarters.

My previous experience with an outdoor antenna was not great. It was at least 1-2 decades ago, and I was never able to get great reception on a chimney mounted antenna. I thought for certain that I would need to hoist an antenna up high (due to my one story home) in order to get any usable range of channels.

Surprisingly, I am currently on a simple indoor Mohu Leaf 50 taped behind my AV cabinet about 4 feet off the ground, and am picking up almost everything I need. Weird...If I raise the antenna any higher, I start to lose channels... I would not have expected that... I have tried higher mounting points in different locations and cannot seem to get any better than my 4 foot height placement.

Here is what I am getting:
  • FOX: 2-x (on frequency 48... 44 is weaker and not usable)
  • CBS: 5-x
  • ABC: 7-x
  • PBS: 9-x
  • NBC: 11-3 (11-1 is a weak signal, and not usable)
  • 14-x - Strong signal, but Spanish programming that I am not interested in
  • 26-x - Strong signal, but Chinese and other asian programming that I am not interested in
  • 36-x - Mostly strong
  • 54-x - Strong, but mostly duplicate PBS programming that I can get from channel 9
  • 65-x - Mostly strong...but the signal does get weak from time to time
  • 66-x - Mostly strong...but the signal does get weak from time to time


Fringe
  • 4-x - Poor signal... Would love to get this channel for news, but not critical
  • 20-x - Mostly a fringe unreliable signal. Sometimes I get a clear signal, but it's not consistent or reliable

Not Getting (but really want to get)
  • 44 - CW (I can get this station if I raise my antenna higher, and relocate the angle/placement. But I end up losing key channels above).

I have my antenna hooked up to a TiVo Roamio OTA. I am a long time TiVo user, and the ability to extend my TiVo experience into OTA is awesome.

Interesting... My signal strength for KTVU 2 on frequency 48 has been pretty reliable... But last night it was very spotty, and completely gone for large amounts of time... I understand when a fringe channel comes in and out...but was a little surprised that a channel that has been pretty strong for me goes completely out.

Still learning how to live in an OTA world... Great to see this thread of fellow Bay Area OTA users!
I live in Sunnyvale too, in a one story home roughly near the intersection of Fair Oaks Ave and 101. So, we are probably neighbors. Is Apple 2 that huge multi-circular building going up next to Lowes, or is it the more famous UFO/donut one near Wolfe/280? At any rate, I have an outdoor antenna mounted on my roof on a, probably 8' tall pole (mounted to a plumbing vent pipe using my own homemade mount, no guy wires) and I get all the stations easily that are on your wish list (including 44). I am, just by luck, in a very sweet spot though. No big trees or buildings directly in my path. My antenna is just a small VHF/UHF one I picked up at Radio Shack back around 2008 or 2009 for about $50, and its aimed directly toward Sutro Tower. At my location, Mt. San Bruno is just a few degrees off from Sutro, so I get its stations easily too. Even get the South Bay stations and translators. I found the extra height from the mast was critical to receiving KRON 4 reliably. With about a 4' mast it was very spotty, with 8' its rock solid.

I wouldn't be too dismissive of some the foreign language stations. Some of them carry one or two pretty good English stations on their sub-channels. For example 14 has Escape (mostly crime/FBI shows) in addition to the Spanish language soap operas. Which by the way has some gorgeous women (but they're always in the middle of some major temper tantrum every time I channel surf by, so not THAT great). You can always delete the stations you don't watch from your TV's channel list.

By the way, when you scan your TV, how many stations do you pick up? I typically get about 105 or so.

Good luck. The guys on this board are smart and informative, so pay attention.

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I live in Sunnyvale too, in a one story home roughly near the intersection of Fair Oaks Ave and 101. So, we are probably neighbors. Is Apple 2 that huge multi-circular building going up next to Lowes, or is it the more famous UFO/donut one near Wolfe/280? At any rate, I have an outdoor antenna mounted on my roof on a, probably 8' tall pole (mounted to a plumbing vent pipe using my own homemade mount, no guy wires) and I get all the stations easily that are on your wish list (including 44). I am, just by luck, in a very sweet spot though. No big trees or buildings directly in my path. My antenna is just a small VHF/UHF one I picked up at Radio Shack back around 2008 or 2009 for about $50, and its aimed directly toward Sutro Tower. At my location, Mt. San Bruno is just a few degrees off from Sutro, so I get its stations easily too. Even get the South Bay stations and translators. I found the extra height from the mast was critical to receiving KRON 4 reliably. With about a 4' mast it was very spotty, with 8' its rock solid.

I wouldn't be too dismissive of some the foreign language stations. Some of them carry one or two pretty good English stations on their sub-channels. For example 14 has Escape (mostly crime/FBI shows) in addition to the Spanish language soap operas. Which by the way has some gorgeous women (but they're always in the middle of some major temper tantrum every time I channel surf by, so not THAT great). You can always delete the stations you don't watch from your TV's channel list.

By the way, when you scan your TV, how many stations do you pick up? I typically get about 105 or so.

Good luck. The guys on this board are smart and informative, so pay attention.
Howdy neighbor! Apple 2 HQ is the one off of Wolfe and Homestead near 280... It's going to be huge (think Trump "huge")... LOL... I think the people capacity is around 15,000...and apparently there are only 9,000 parking spaces... Do the math, and I bet we get some parking spill over into the neighborhood...at least that's the latest concern in the neighborhood...

Anyway... Thanks for your feedback! So you have an 8' pole mounted on your roof. I didn't get a mental visual on where your mounting base is located. Are you near the peak of your roof, or near the bottom of the roof (near the gutters)? My chimney is near the bottom of my roof, so even with an 8 foot pole on a chimney mount, I don't think I will clear the peak...

If I recall, using my little indoor Mohu Leaf 50, I scan around 78 channels... Not bad for a little indoor antenna that is mounted four feet off my hardwood floors, eh? I am seem to be getting most of the channels I need reliably...but during this heatwave, my KTVU is coming in and out all the time... I don't know if it's weather related, but my problems with KTVU seem to have been introduced just this week (granted my cord has only been cut for under 3 weeks, so I don't have a LOT of history here).

I am pretty sure my problems 2 decades ago was with an old analog tuner... I don't think I was "digital" back then... (to address @Calaveras previous post that he is in Sunnyvale and hasn't experienced any issues). Not sure... My memory is not full of details on the problems I was experiencing way back then...but I just remember that my analog OTA experience was frustrating back then).

Great to be in a thread that is full of local knowledge!
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If I recall, using my little indoor Mohu Leaf 50, I scan around 78 channels... Not bad for a little indoor antenna that is mounted four feet off my hardwood floors, eh? ...but during this heatwave, my KTVU is coming in and out all the time... I don't know if it's weather related, but my problems with KTVU seem to have been introduced just this week

I am pretty sure my problems 2 decades ago was with an old analog tuner... I don't think I was "digital" back then...
For the most part, ... you can't compare reception problems 2 decades ago, ... with today.
A lot of stations have moved transmitter locations since then. Think channels 8, 11, 14, 60, 50, etc. ..... And some homes still have "Stacked" antennas used for that problem. Decades ago.
Plus todays digital stations are using lower wattages .... You can't compare.
Like comparing a 1980s car .... to a 2017 with touch screen and voice demands, etc.

As far as the little indoor Muho Leaf 50, that works indoors.
It should work .>>...that is until you start walking around the room creating multipath & signal break ups.

Heatwave ? KTVU coming in & out ?
Something as simple as a box fan can create indoor multipath & problems.

When you have something so small, that barely works. There is no wiggle room for problems. And that will soon drive you crazy. (Think tin foil on rabbit ears )
If you oversize the antenna, ... expect cable company reliability.

Unless you have a battery portable tv for camp outs, sporting tailgates, etc, .... that you can use the Muhu Leaf antenna for..... I'd junk it.
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