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I don't think they can do 2 1080i channels + 480i in the bandwidth, which means that one of the stations will be reduced to 720p.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subchannel
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I don't think they can do 2 1080i channels + 480i in the bandwidth, which means that one of the stations will be reduced to 720p.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_subchannel
I wonder what the picture for WTRF looks like? They're running one 1080i and two 720p channels on physical channel 7.
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info on Gray doing this in other areas

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Meanwhile, in North Dakota, current FOX affiliates KNDX/26 (Bismarck) and KXND/24 (Minot) have announced that beginning Friday, the FOX lineup will move to KFYR/5.2 (Bismarck), KMOT/10.2 (Minot), KQCD/7.2 (Dickinson), and KUMV/8.2 (Williston). FOX will continue to be seen on KNDX-LD/38 (Dickinson) and KXND-LP/38 (Williston), which Gray bought from Prime Cities Broadcasting for $500,000.
Gray is in the process of buying KFYR-TV, KMOT, KQCD, and KUMV from Hoak Media in a deal that already has FCC approval. The stations carry NBC on their .1 channels. KFYR-TV's website says Me-TV, which currently airs on the .2 channels, will move to .3 on Friday.

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Federal ownership rules do not allow a top-four TV station to directly buy another top-four station in the same market. Shared services agreements that allow one station to run another have become commonplace in small markets over the past decade, but the FCC has been cracking down on the practice both through increased scrutiny of sales and an order that companies end deals that allow one station to sell more than 15 percent of advertising on another. The moves have prompted a legal challenge from the National Association of Broadcasters.
Gray is also in the process of buying Hoak NBC affiliate KVLY-TV/11.1 (Fargo), which already operates Parker Broadcasting CBS affiliate KXJB/4.1 (Valley City-Fargo). Gray has said it would operate KXJB after a sale to Excalibur is completed. The KVLY sale has received FCC approval but the KXJB sale has not; no announcements about Fargo-market programming had been made as of Wednesday night.
It's too bad there is no Bismarck, ND thread. I would be curious on how guide data for Tivo or HTPC was handled there. After the latest Minneapolis change with the "9's", I'm not thrilled to be doing it again here. :-)
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I wonder what the picture for WTRF looks like? They're running one 1080i and two 720p channels on physical channel 7.
I have confirmation that the configuration is going to be:

11.1 KVLY 1080i
11.2 KXJB 720p
11.3 MeTV SD

I'm following up with a question about how much quality they expect to lose.
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I have confirmation that the configuration is going to be:

11.1 KVLY 1080i
11.2 KXJB 720p
11.3 MeTV SD

I'm following up with a question about how much quality they expect to lose.
same thing they did in Lincoln/Grand Island NE with CBS on -1 in 1080i and NBC on -2 in 720p. MeTV was readded on -3 480i
There should be minimal quality because ABC & FOX uses 720p normally
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There should be minimal quality because ABC & FOX uses 720p normally
CBS and NBC use 1080i so CBS will be transcoded to 720p. CBS has approved the plan.

Personally, I like 720p better, especially for sports.

Funny how the original article made it sound like the FCC was pushing for this, but I think that Gray is doing it as a cost saving measure. It is cheaper to run 1 transmitter than 2.
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Funny how the original article made it sound like the FCC was pushing for this, but I think that Gray is doing it as a cost saving measure. It is cheaper to run 1 transmitter than 2.
well the FCC cracking down on companies owning 2 of the big 4 in a market is why this is happening. Gray is just being "one step ahead" of the FCC

Wont let us buy the station?
Screw them. We'll just put it on a subchannel of a station we own and then shut down the other station
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well the FCC cracking down on companies owning 2 of the big 4 in a market is why this is happening. Gray is just being "one step ahead" of the FCC

Wont let us buy the station?
Screw them. We'll just put it on a subchannel of a station we own and then shut down the other station
It would be nice if whomever buys kxjb would put up a multiplex of retro TV, antenna TV, this TV, and WeatherNation
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I will say I am sad to KXJB go dark...up until the last days of Catamount ownership, they were VERY connected to the community they serve, and hosted many personalities that had personality...Jim Adelson, Steve poitras, Charley Johnson, Kathy Coyle, Tom Coyne, Mike Morken, Bruce Asbury, Joe Weisman, Jason Brandby and many others...Don't see talent like that in this market anymore..
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Anyone hear a schedule for KXJB's decommissioning? The press release in June hinted it would be by end of summer.
IMO MeTV should be left on 11-2, with CBS on 11-3 (or maybe 11-4 in honor of the long time CBS channel)...or will they keep the 4-1 numbering on the psip riding on kvly's signal..
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IMO MeTV should be left on 11-2, with CBS on 11-3 (or maybe 11-4 in honor of the long time CBS channel)...or will they keep the 4-1 numbering on the psip riding on kvly's signal..
highly unlikely they with do either. They will probably just do it as 11-2 and MeTV will go to 11-3. Thats the same way they did it in Western ND with Fox piggybacking on NBC (they put Fox as -2)

Can they remap it to 4-1? Sure
Will they? doubt it
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highly unlikely they with do either. They will probably just do it as 11-2 and MeTV will go to 11-3. Thats the same way they did it in Western ND with Fox piggybacking on NBC (they put Fox as -2)

Can they remap it to 4-1? Sure
Will they? doubt it
Per the response I got on this question back when the story broke - CBS will be 11-2 and MeTV will be 11-3
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