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Old 07-17-2016, 06:09 AM
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Ok, then it's $161 total. I guess that is about on par with my level. It's $33 more.

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Ok, then it's $161 total. I guess that is about on par with my level. It's $33 more.
What pleases me is that the price is about the same as the prior year, but with the addition of the enhanced DVR (from the basic), EPIX, and Ultimate internet
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Adding to the current discussion for comparison, my DirecTV statement for June shows a total of $119. So, two TV's, two whole-home HD DVR's, fairly high level channel package, an 'extra pack' of about 5 'specialty' HD stations, the protection plan, the ability to watch TV on my iPhone/iPad, and in season NFL Sunday Ticket (~$300/year price not shown above and paid over 6 months). I LOVE NFL Sunday Ticket! Be aware, to have a TV/Internet package like you guys are talking about, I have to add in ~$65/month for TWC 'Extreme' internet - making the total ~$185 - again, not counting NFL Sunday Ticket. DirecTV's service is more reliable than TWC was when I last had it (2005), picture and sound very good (better than TWC was) and the capability to record up to eight channels simultaneously, watch two football games at once by setting up live buffers are all very well done.


I'm going to miss DirecTV. We'll soon see how much.

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Adding to the current and for comparison, my DirecTV statement for June shows a total of $119. So, two TV's, two whole-home HD DVR's, fairly high level channel package, an 'extra pack' of about 5 'specialty' HD stations, the protection plan, the ability to watch TV on my iPhone/iPad, and in season NFL Sunday Ticket (~$300/year price not shown above and paid over 6 months). I LOVE NFL Sunday Ticket! Be aware, to have a TV/Internet package like you guys are talking about, I have to add in ~$65/month for TWC 'Extreme' internet - making the total ~$185 - again, not counting NFL Sunday Ticket. DirecTV's service is more reliable than TWC was when I last had it (2005), picture and sound very good (better than TWC was) and the capability to record up to eight channels simultaneously, watch two football games at once by setting up live buffers are all very well done.


I'm going to miss DirecTV. We'll soon see how much.
I'm going to be anxious to see your report in a couple of months. You had prior experience with TWC, very recent long term experience with DirecTV, and now going back to TWC.

Your comments will be some of the more meaningful ones on here when you've had a chance to compare
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I'm going to be anxious to see your report in a couple of months. You had prior experience with TWC, very recent long term experience with DirecTV, and now going back to TWC.

Your comments will be some of the more meaningful ones on here when you've had a chance to compare
I will certainly report back once I'm installed and running for a while.

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You guys have a much better deal than I do:

Monthly services
07/15-08/14 Preferred TV Plus 64.99
Includes: Starter TV, Standard TV, Variety Pass,
DVR Service, HBO.

TWC Sports Pass 10.00
The Guide 3.25
1 The Guide @ 3.25 3.25
Enhanced DVR Set-Top Box 8.50
Standard Internet 49.99
DVR Upgrade 3.00
Ultimate Internet Upgrade 50.00
Equipment Charges 8.50
1 HD Digital Converter
Total monthly services 201.48
Taxes, fees & surcharges
Franchise Fee 5.72
Broadcast TV and Sports Programming 5.00

Surcharges
Total taxes, fees & surcharges 10.72

Total due on July 27, 2016: $212.20
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You guys have a much better deal than I do:

Monthly services
07/15-08/14 Preferred TV Plus 64.99
Includes: Starter TV, Standard TV, Variety Pass,
DVR Service, HBO.

TWC Sports Pass 10.00
The Guide 3.25
1 The Guide @ 3.25 3.25
Enhanced DVR Set-Top Box 8.50
Standard Internet 49.99
DVR Upgrade 3.00
Ultimate Internet Upgrade 50.00
Equipment Charges 8.50
1 HD Digital Converter
Total monthly services 201.48
Taxes, fees & surcharges
Franchise Fee 5.72
Broadcast TV and Sports Programming 5.00

Surcharges
Total taxes, fees & surcharges 10.72

Total due on July 27, 2016: $212.20
Larry, that's what I was looking at 5 years ago. I went to the DirecTV site and price out a package over a 24 month history - taking in the lower prices and the regular prices and averaging them out. I then called, asked what it would cost with only internet and then they asked me if I was changing. I told them I was considering it. then transferred me to a retention specialist and I said that I could save (whatever). He told me that the sat companies had cheap rates for the first few months and then I told him that I had taken the price for the two year commitment and averaged it out. He took about 15 minutes and came back with a much better price.

This year, about two or three years later, when the price went up, I called and asked for a retention specialist and again got the price down.

I notice that your bill is about $60 a month higher than mine and I have what you have plus the enhanced DVR, Starz, and Epix.

Call them and see what you can do. At $160 for what I have, I am happy. I was so pissed when my price hit that $210+ mark a few years ago.

BTW, was thinking of you the other day; stopped by Pinnacle Liquor and picked up a nice, inexpensive Pinot Noir - right down the street from you
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I do actually have the 6 tuner enhanced DVR plus HBO. So basically I have one less premium than you. I have done the retention tango on multiple occasions over the years. TWC decided not to give in this latest time even when I went up the CSR ladder. I am going to wait and see what happens with Charter and the packages they offer. If I could get Greenlight Networks to build out on my road, I would have some leverage. They keep building all over Brighton, but haven't gotten near us.

Like Lee, I would love to go back to Directv for NFL Sunday Ticket alone. I have however no clear shot of the southern sky anymore for dish placement. So I am pretty much stuck. I have found though that the NFL Redzone channel (part of the $10 Sports Package) is pretty good for keeping up with all of the games with no commercials.

Yep, Pinnacle is our go to Liquor store. No surprise there. It can get dangerous though, I often find very expensive bottles of single malt Scotch and rum.

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I'd like to know why it's different in your market. That doesn't work here, after a 2nd round of price increases. I managed for the 1st renewal to get a lower price, but not as low as the original $90 (plus add-ons), but the 2nd renewal no real deal and like I said, they won't deal with just two out of the three services.
I had the same problem. After multiple negotiations over the years, TWC finally stopped working with me. I think they have even less incentive now. We will have to see how the Charter takeover settles out.
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I do actually have the 6 tuner enhanced DVR plus HBO. So basically I have one less premium than you. I have done the retention tango on multiple occasions over the years. TWC decided not to give in this latest time even when I went up the CSR ladder. I am going to wait and see what happens with Charter and the packages they offer. If I could get Greenlight Networks to build out on my road, I would have some leverage. They keep building all over Brighton, but haven't gotten near us.

Like Lee, I would love to go back to Directv for NFL Sunday Ticket alone. I have however no clear shot of the southern sky anymore for dish placement. So I am pretty much stuck. I have found though that the NFL Redzone channel (part of the $10 Sports Package) is pretty good for keeping up with all of the games with no commercials.

Yep, Pinnacle is our go to Liquor store. No surprise there. It can get dangerous though, I often find very expensive bottles of single malt Scotch and rum.
Larry,

Actually two less premiums - I have HBO, Showtimes, Starz, and Epix

My last negotiation was just a couple of months ago and I just kept repeating that I didn't want to leave, but I was prepared to. One of the previous times I tweeted on their site that they were $60 more than DirecTV and refused to even talk to me about my price. I got a response in 10 minutes.

Keep after them Larry - that money is so much better spent on wine or single malt scotch.
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First thoughts being back with TWC

After being away from TWC and with DirecTV since 2005, I've now been back with TWC for two weeks. My theater-room system isn't set back up yet, so no sound comparison yet. But I've had a chance to see how the Whole Home DVR works in comparison to what I'm used to at DirecTV.


Top Line answer? It's not as bad as it used to be but not as good as DirecTV's DVRs. As always, when switching, there are some things I already know I miss.


For instance, although I can FF through commercials, there is no 30-second skip or 30-second slip available. Skip just jumps ahead 30 seconds per button push with no video on the screen. Slip essentially does a 30-second FF burst with each button push. When coupled with the 6 second jump-back, it is a very quick way to get through shows without ever seeing any commercial content at all. I used skip all the time. Most shows group 30 or 60-second commercials together. With 30-second skip, 6 quick button pushes puts you 3 minutes ahead very, very quickly.


Another thing I really enjoyed is dual-buffering. It allowed me to watch two live football games at once. You set up the buffers and then pause the one you're not watching (which keeps recording) and jump to the other -- which has been recording in the background. Then, I can use the 30-second skip - which almost perfectly matches play timing and makes quick work of commercials and I'm never far behind on either game.


Even though I can now record 6 shows at once, I used to be able to record 8 at once with my two DVRs -- and if I got more DVR's, I could have handled even more.


I also liked the flexibility on the DVR regarding the number of recorded shows recorded I can keep in a series. I can now record either seven or several number below that or ALL of them. With DirecTV, I can record 10 before I'm forced to ALL. I also had the ability to mark individuals shows (Series or not) as 'KEEP' so they aren't deleted when they normally would have been. KEEP shows aren't counted in the series limit you set.


Searches: Previous show/actor searches are not kept for fast retrieval. DirecTV keeps them until you delete them. TWC also has no 'keyword' search capability - or at least I haven't found it yet. So, since we're out of regular season for primetime shows, I cannot do a keyword search for "Blindspot" so that when it returns to the schedule in the future it automatically records. I can't do a keyword search for 'Vietnam' so that when any show in the future with the word Vietnam in the title or show description comes up, it'll record.


So, what's good? The picture looks OK - good in most cases. As good? Close I'll say. Definitely not better. The DVR seems reliable so far too. It most definitely was not in early 2005.


More with more time and when the home theater set up happens - or when I think of more.....

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another good thing is...

The Internet speed:



Nothing to do with TV (DirecTV vs TWC), but still good.

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Looks like Charter has officially moved in to take over things At TW....When i goto Speedtest.net The TWC servers are no longer there...And for my IP it says TWC(Now Spectrum)

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I think it's been that way since charter officially took ownership of TWC.
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Keep after them Larry - that money is so much better spent on wine or single malt scotch.
I went a different direction. Greenlight Networks is building out in our neighborhood, finally. Dropped the television part of my package and will be dropping Charter all together when I finally have fiber to my house.
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