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post #9091 of 10199 Old 12-31-2011, 01:37 PM
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I live just north of you in Amador Co at 3300 feet near Daffodil Hill. I have lost KCRA for as much as 50% of the time. On one antenna it doesn't even scan in. I suspect the KGO transmitter as the problem as ch 36 usually peaks when KCRA drops out. KSPX is the most consistent Walnut Grove station. KXTV is nearly 100% consistent on my VHF antenna and even is about 90% on the UHF only. KVIE is inconsistent on both antennas. KTLN from Novato is the strongest station here always hitting about 95 on the Dish converter. KTXL is consistent at 80-85. Channel 33 (RF3) is the only VHF channel that never drops out everything else is subject to inversions, ducting etc.
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I live just north of you in Amador Co at 3300 feet near Daffodil Hill. I have lost KCRA for as much as 50% of the time. On one antenna it doesn't even scan in.

How about KMAX and KQCA?

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I suspect the KGO transmitter as the problem as ch 36 usually peaks when KCRA drops out.

That transmitter has only been on the air for a couple of months. Was KCRA fine before November? According to the antenna pattern for KGO 35, it has only 12 milliwatts in our direction so it's pretty unlikely that could cause us a problem. I'm sure KGO had to take extreme precautions to make sure that they didn't interfere with KCRA in the valley. What's more likely is that the conditions that enhance KICU degrade KCRA.

What is your UHF antenna?

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What antenna is KTXL 40 using anyway? Back in March 2011 the FCC antenna data was:

KTXL 40 CP MOD SACRAMENTO 950. kW 601. m Make: DIE Model: TFU-30DSC-R T145
Antenna: Directional Beam Tilt: Electrical Deg: 0.75 Polarization: Horizontal

Now the FCC data is showing a completely different antenna with a 2-lobed directional polar plot (however the Service Contour plot still shows the March 2011 contour):

KTXL 40 CP MOD SACRAMENTO 1000. kW 601. m Make: DIE Model: TFU-24ETT/VP-R 3BP250SP
Antenna: Directional Beam Tilt: Electrical Deg: 0.5 Polarization: Elliptical

KTXL Detailed Query
http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tv...=0&facid=10205
Status Date: 09/23/2010
Engineering Details
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....ion_id=1327585
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What antenna is KTXL 40 using anyway? Back in March 2011 the FCC antenna data was:

KTXL 40 CP MOD SACRAMENTO 1000. kW 601. m Make: DIE Model: TFU-24ETT/VP-R 3BP250SP
Antenna: Directional Beam Tilt: Electrical Deg: 0.5 Polarization: Elliptical

Since this is the only one listed now, I have to assume that's it.

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From Doug Smith, W9WI, via the Worldwide TV-FM DX Association "VHF-UHF Digest":

Sacramento, CA:
1-New, channel 43, 100 kw, 304 m, 38-37-49/120-51-20 - Grant Education Foundation
2-New, channel 43, 650 kw, 354 m, 38-43-10/120-59-22 - Calvary Christian Center

Both of the channel 43 applications in Sacramento have been conditionally approved. There's a 30-day window for filing objections, assuming these objections fail, both applications are likely to be granted (there is little chance of a viable objection).

The two stations can be expected to share time. It is likely the two will arrange to share the same transmitter - to my knowledge all existing time-sharing operations (on FM) in the US do. But it wouldn't be entirely unprecedented for the stations to use two separate transmitters.

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Latest update on stations in this area, from Doug Smith, W9WI, via the Worldwide DX Association "VHF-UHF Digest":

Martinez - Request for flash cut to digital for K49HV, channel 49, 15 kW
Monterey - Granted digital station - KMUV-LD, channel 21, 4.5 kW - move from channel 23 analog
Sacramento - Request for power increase - KXTV, channel 10, to 28.6 kW
Sacramento - Two applications conditionally approved for channel 43. The stations are expected to share the channel. 1-100 kW, 2-650 kW (See more details above.)
San Francisco - Power increase granted - KMMC, channel 40, 6 kW
San Jose - New translator, KGO-0824IJ - channel 35 - for KGO, San Francisco
Santa Rosa - Power increase granted - KEMO, channel 32, 20 kW, 928 m

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KXTV has been operating at 28.6 kw under a temporary authorization for a long time. They are not increasing power only making the temporary authorized power permanent.

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KXTV has been operating at 28.6 kw under a temporary authorization for a long time. They are not increasing power only making the temporary authorized power permanent.

I think it's the same situation for KEMO.

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K49HV in Martinez is shown going digital on channel 49. When I went to check on the transmitter location for my DTV lists I found that the map shows the station as being in the hills above Palm Springs near Indio. Did someone goof on the transmitter coordinates? Apparently not. Someone posted on the San Francisco OTA thread that LP stations do not have to cover the city of license and that the transmitter is actually down south. I've never heard of a channel 49 in Martinez in the East Bay... now I know why. That's really weird, though.

Update: Someone reported that there is a town by the name of Martinez near Palm Springs, so K49HV is licensed to that Martinez, not the one in the East Bay.

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Funny to see the KEMO call letters coming back (this was channel 20 a LONG time ago) and now KMUV which was channel 31's original call letters from 1974-1981.

KXTV usually doesn't come in on my indoor antenna unless I move it around specifically to try and get it, but has been coming in steadily the past week or so. (Their 2nd channel is still improperly flagged to stretch.) Channel 29 has not been coming in when it usually did before, but there's nothing watchable on any of their channels anyways.
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Channel 29 has not been coming in when it usually did before, but there's nothing watchable on any of their channels anyways.

I've noticed that the SNR for KSPX has been down for about a week now. I thought it might be something specific to my location or maybe the inversions we've been having lately. The real signal strength looks okay so I don't know if it is their problem or my problem.

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Signals have been going up and down like crazy these past few days. I've seen as much as a 12 dB change in signal strength on some of the stations from Walnut Grove. Earlier this evening I added a new station to my list. For the first time ever I received KTFK 64 and it had a signal of 18 dB!

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Signals have been going up and down like crazy these past few days.

It most certainly has been crazy the last few days! Signals have been having huge swings at all times of the day and night, more than what I saw for the entire Fall combined. It's fun from a DXing standpoint but it wreaks havoc with trying to watch programs.

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KMAX is nearly 100%. KQCA is not as good with frequent drop outs.

I expect the new ch-43s will knock out ch 60 which is in about 40% of the time.
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I receive two KTFKs -1 and -2 and they always have different signal strengths. -2 is solid here and -1 comes and goes.
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I receive two KTFKs -1 and -2 and they always have different signal strengths. -2 is solid here and -1 comes and goes.

There's something tricky going on here. KTFK and KUVS are carrying the SD version of each other's programming on their -2 sub channel.

Virtual 64-1 is RF 26 (KTFK).
Virtual 64-2 is RF 18 (KUVS).
Virtual 19-1 is RF 18 (KUVS).
Virtual 19-2 is RF 26 (KTFK).

This is why you're seeing different signal strengths. Looks like you receive KUVS fine and are having problems with KTFK.

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Hi,

I'm a recent cord cutter experiencing a few hiccups with my OTA reception. I live in Folsom, and am experiencing some dropouts on Fox40 (KTXL) and PBS (KVIE). All the stations I am looking to receive are within 199-202 degrees and 33-36 miles. I don't care about any stations outside the ones in Walnut Grove.

I mounted my small antenna (RCA ANT751R) as high (14 ft) as I was comfortable doing on my WSW facing wall. The neighbor's house is not in the direct path of the antenna, but very close. There are tall trees and two story houses across the street (70ft) in the path of the antenna.

I am considering hiring an installer to mount the antenna on a mast on the top of my roof or chimney. This would give the antenna a much more unobstructed view at around 30ft or so. Should I also get a bigger directional UHV/VHF (7-69) at the same time? I don't want to pay someone to mount my small antenna higher, then have it not be sufficient.

Anybody have any good installer recommendations in this area?

(I am using a HD Homerun DUAL tuner and Windows Media Center)
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Adding transmitter profile for KTXL
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I mounted my small antenna (RCA ANT751R) as high (14 ft) as I was comfortable doing on my WSW facing wall. The neighbor's house is not in the direct path of the antenna, but very close. There are tall trees and two story houses across the street (70ft) in the path of the antenna.

I am considering hiring an installer to mount the antenna on a mast on the top of my roof or chimney. This would give the antenna a much more unobstructed view at around 30ft or so. Should I also get a bigger directional UHV/VHF (7-69) at the same time? I don't want to pay someone to mount my small antenna higher, then have it not be sufficient.

The signals are so strong where you are that in theory any antenna should work. But you may be having some multipath issues because of ground clutter. It's likely you'll see an improvement with a higher antenna.

I always recommend a larger antenna if someone is willing to install it. I think the Winegard HD-7694P or HD-7695P would be good choices for you.

I don't know installers in the Sacramento area.

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I checked out the specs on the antenna you have and looked at your signal strengths and I think that if you install that antenna higher up it should work fine for you.

However, I agree with Calaveras. If you want to make sure you have some extra signal available to allow for condition changes, I'd go with a larger antenna with more gain mounted up high on your roof. His recommendation of the Winegard HD-769x is a good one. Lots of people have had very good luck with that antenna.

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Thanks, the Winegard HD-7694P doesn't seem too large for my wife's tastes. I think I'll have an installer put that one up.

Hopefully this week because I got in trouble for the Packers/49ers game cutting out :-)
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It's been difficult to find an installer, but in the meantime I temporarily moved the antenna from the outside to the attic where it is a bit higher. KTXL is coming in great now, KVIE could be a bit worse. KXTV is now on the borderline, but seems good enough.

I can't find a location where all stations come in good. Guess the rooftop is still the way to go.
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It's been difficult to find an installer, but in the meantime I temporarily moved the antenna from the outside to the attic where it is a bit higher. KTXL is coming in great now, KVIE could be a bit worse. KXTV is now on the borderline, but seems good enough.

I can't find a location where all stations come in good. Guess the rooftop is still the way to go.


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Have you thought about adding a second antenna (and a combiner) ?

I think Solid Signal sells them.

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I don't think it makes sense for me as all my stations broadcast from the same location. I think I just need to get my antenna up above the ground clutter as mentioned above.
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It's been difficult to find an installer, but in the meantime I temporarily moved the antenna from the outside to the attic where it is a bit higher. KTXL is coming in great now, KVIE could be a bit worse. KXTV is now on the borderline, but seems good enough.

I can't find a location where all stations come in good. Guess the rooftop is still the way to go.

Although you can find many people successfully using attic antennas, an outdoor antenna will almost always be better.

Decades ago my parents moved to a home in Anaheim that came with an attic antenna. The reception was not so good. I installed an outdoor Winegard for them and reception improved dramatically.

There seems to be a perception with DTV that because it is digital that you should be able to use a much smaller antenna than before. This is not true. The fundamentals of reception are the same as they've always been. Whatever antenna it took to get a strong ghost-free analog picture is the same one it takes to get DTV without dropouts. The only advantage analog had was that you could get a crummy picture with a poor antenna. Now with that setup, you get no picture. Now when the minimum signal requirements are met, you get a perfect picture. There is no option to accept a poor picture. That was the tradeoff going to digital.

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Has anyone that watches KXTV been hearing echos on a number of shows?
Both PAN AM and Castle seem to play like they are in an echo chamber. Haven't
noticed or heard any issues with other ABC shows.
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There's been reports for a long time of audio channel problems on KXTV. Castle is most frequently mentioned. I have not noticed recently because I only have a 2 channel system. There were times in the past when there were no voices.

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Castle seems to be about the only ABC show I watch. And yes, there are definite audio problems, whether OTA, SAT, or Cable. It's been quite a while since the time the voices were missing completely, but there's always a balance problem, with the side or surround channels almost drowning out the main center voice channel.
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I watched Castle last Monday and did not hear any audio problems OTA. KXTV passes what the network sends for Castle just like all ABC shows. I have heard some strange echos during Castle a few times in the past. There was a problem with the audio on Castle that was caused by KXTV quite some time ago. I was told that a button got pushed on the air switcher that killed the center channel audio which had no effect until a 5.1 channel program hit the air at which point it took the air operator a while to figure out what the problem was.

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Rory it isn't the typical lost LFE channel which is immediately identifiable. Rather there are times, often in an indoor setting, where the background chatter starts to vigorously compete with the center channel dialog being spoken by the main characters. At least that is my take on the situation.
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