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post #5821 of 5839 Old 12-24-2016, 12:13 PM
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I'm not sure if what they were carrying before was actually a PBS West feed or just an alternate schedule.
It could have been verified with the PBS listing on Titan TV. But, too late now.

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While getting ready to capture the feed of Tuesday's Mega Weapons, I've noticed that PBS Kids is no longer in test mode. It was still in test mode last week Wednesday.

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Another re-transmission dispute, this time between Gray TV, the owner of 99 stations nationwide, including WMTV ch. 15 and Dish Network. The info on WMTV's site and their scrolling alert mimic Gray's recent press release, which is easily found with a web search. Gray's message seems somewhat disingenuous to me, as Dish normally won't kick stations off on their own. It's harder to find Dish's response, but there is a general one. I don't understand why they couldn't at least agree to an extension unless Gray wants the extension to include more money than Dish is paying now.

This is one article that outlines Gray's press release and Dish's response from Roanoke, VA.

http://www.roanoke.com/business/news...1c4ea1134.html

I'm a Dish subscriber but can get WMTV OTA clearly, so the only impact on me would be losing the program info from Dish's channel guide if they drop them. But I tire of these disagreements. Typically, the broadcast channel owners ask for more money than they really deserve and the cable or satellite provider will only offer perhaps a slight more than the last agreement, which seems fair to me. The broadcast channel owners will always say their programming is worth a lot more money than it really is.

I suggest Dish subscribers who get WMTV that read this thread contact WMTV directly and ask them to tell their owners to negotiate in good faith and not expect to get loads more money than they did before and more than other similar local broadcast station owners already get from Dish.

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I suggest Dish subscribers who get WMTV that read this thread contact WMTV directly and ask them to tell their owners to negotiate in good faith and not expect to get loads more money than they did before and more than other similar local broadcast station owners already get from Dish.
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Update: Deal reached at the last possible minute.

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Auction repack channel changes:
WISC (3.1): 50 -> 11 (VHF-High; means they got money)
WMSN (47.1): 49 -> 18 (Still UHF)
WIFS (57.1, formerly WBUW): 32 -> 21 (I thought they would cash out completely, but staying on UHF means they didn't take any money.)

Not changing channels:
WMTV (15.1): 19
WHA (21.1): 20
WKOW (27.1): 26

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Auction repack channel changes (via the NAB's repacking clearinghouse):
WISC (3.1): 50 -> 11 (VHF-High; means they got money)
They'll need it to replace the waveguide and antenna. I guess they wanted money and their VHF coverage area back, though I do not know if it will change much.
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WMSN (47.1): 49 -> 18 (Still UHF)
Wow, I guess Sinclair loves spending money on a new waveguide and antenna, yet again.
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WIFS (57.1, formerly WBUW): 32 -> 21 (I thought they would cash out completely, but staying on UHF means they didn't take any money.)
They won't have to spend a dime on waveguide or antenna.

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Wow, I guess Sinclair loves spending money on a new waveguide and antenna, yet again.
The FCC assigned them to a new channel and will pay for equipment replacement.

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The FCC assigned them to a new channel and will pay for equipment replacement.
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

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In the end it's the American wireless customers who are/will be paying for it....

It's just that their cash from past and future monthly payments will be passing through several hands (wireless companies/spectrum buyers, FCC/government) in the process.
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So the dummy question for me is, if I have UHF only antenna, I now need VHF for WISC. I am assuming that would include the subs?

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Auction repack channel changes (via the NAB's repacking clearinghouse):
WISC (3.1): 50 -> 11 (VHF-High; means they got money)
WMSN (47.1): 49 -> 18 (Still UHF)
WIFS (57.1, formerly WBUW): 32 -> 21 (I thought they would cash out completely, but staying on UHF means they didn't take any money.)
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I am assuming that would include the subs?
At the antenna, there is no distinction between the "main" channel and any "sub" channels. It's all one combined signal from the time it leaves the station's encoder/modulator until it gets inside your tuner and is demodulated/decoded.
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They'll need it to replace the waveguide and antenna. I guess they wanted money and their VHF coverage area back, though I do not know if it will change much.

Wow, I guess Sinclair loves spending money on a new waveguide and antenna, yet again.

They won't have to spend a dime on waveguide or antenna.
We have a (slightly used) channel 11 transmitter for WISC! haha Too bad we took off and scrapped our ch. 11 antenna.

Also, on the "not spending a dime on waveguide" Not necessarily true. FYI... when we moved from ch. 49, our existing ch 47 waveguide would not work. It all had to be removed/scrapped and we got some "pre-owned" waveguide from a sister station in San Antonio. The length of the sections determines what channels it can be used for. The joints in the sections can disrupt the wavelength flowing through the waveguide so it wouldn't tune properly. Just looking at the specs, our current waveguide SHOULD work on ch 18 as well as 49.

and yeah, like Trip said, this should all be paid for with proceeds from the auction. the next snag will be... will there be enough tower crews to do all this work on all these stations? will the antenna/transmission line manufacturers be able to keep up? (good thing Sinclair bought Dielectric a few years ago)... then when will ATSC 3.0 be ready to go? transition two things at once or go through TWO transitions? tough call.
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We have a (slightly used) channel 11 transmitter for WISC! haha Too bad we took off and scrapped our ch. 11 antenna.
Your crystal ball should have told you that could have sold it to WISC's parent. Oh well.
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Also, on the "not spending a dime on waveguide" Not necessarily true. FYI... when we moved from ch. 49, our existing ch 47 waveguide would not work. It all had to be removed/scrapped and we got some "pre-owned" waveguide from a sister station in San Antonio. The length of the sections determines what channels it can be used for. The joints in the sections can disrupt the wavelength flowing through the waveguide so it wouldn't tune properly. Just looking at the specs, our current waveguide SHOULD work on ch 18 as well as 49.
If you go with the should and it doesn't work, what then?
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the next snag will be... will there be enough tower crews to do all this work on all these stations? will the antenna/transmission line manufacturers be able to keep up? (good thing Sinclair bought Dielectric a few years ago)... then when will ATSC 3.0 be ready to go? transition two things at once or go through TWO transitions? tough call.
Ya, there is that.

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Auction repack channel changes:
WISC (3.1): 50 -> 11 (VHF-High; means they got money)
WMSN (47.1): 49 -> 18 (Still UHF)
WIFS (57.1, formerly WBUW): 32 -> 21 (I thought they would cash out completely, but staying on UHF means they didn't take any money.)

Not changing channels:
WMTV (15.1): 19
WHA (21.1): 20
WKOW (27.1): 26
This post is updated with the FCC's official release of the new channel assignments.

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47.3 Grit was replaced by Charge! this morning as well as 47.4 "TBD" being added.
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WZCK-LD1 (8.1) Last 2 or 3 days. Great signal, but no picture or sound. Anyone else experiencing this?
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WZCK-LD1 (8.1) Last 2 or 3 days. Great signal, but no picture or sound. Anyone else experiencing this?
Yes, I'm seeing the exact same thing on my TVs. No idea why, though. A quick search on Google didn't net me any explanation.
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Yes, I'm seeing the exact same thing on my TVs. No idea why, though. A quick search on Google didn't net me any explanation.
best thing to do is contact DTVAmerica (the owner).

http://dtvamerica.com/contact/

Just list the station and explain what is happening and they usually respond quickly. I've e-mailed them a couple times about the stations here in Minneapolis and they usually fix things like this quickly
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Even the website info for this station is messed up. Click on the coverage map and you get Memphis, TN.

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