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post #451 of 3302 Old 11-22-2004, 07:43 PM
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Does anyone know of a more omni designed indoor antenna that is fairly small? I'm looking at the Jensen TV920. I have the Silver Sensor now and it works great for most things but I find at times that WESH is bobbing all over the place. It goes from 92 to 70 constantly. I can adjust the Silver Sensor to improve Wesh but then I lose CBS or ABC. I'm only 6 miles from the Bithlo towers so I wonder if the Silver Sensor is too directional (since I'm so close). I can point the SS up in the air and WESH improves to a solid 90... but then I will lost some other station. I can't seem to satisfy them all with one location. I tried an antennuator from RS, but it didn't help... it dropped the signal but it still bobs all around.

My only other option is to go with an external antenna but it would have to be run on the same cable as one of my sat lines with a diplexer. I can't run anymore lines without running a cable thru my porch (I don't want to do this).
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Jason, I'm about 9 miles from the Bithlo towers with a Silver Sensor, same symptoms. I think the problem is due to WESH being a VHF station, carried on channel 11, where the Silver Sensor starts to roll-off in its reception. Probably going to try joining a VHF-only antenna to my cable over Thanksgiving, I'll let you know what happens.
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I switched from the Silver Sensor to the Channel Master Stealth Antenna and it fixed all of my problems with WESH (since it is both a UHF/VHF antenna). However, it is considerably larger in size. Don't know if you'll just be able to sit it on top of your TV like you could the Silver Sensor. However it is still small enough in size that it easily fits in my attic. You can get it a Lowe's for a little under $70, or online for under $40.
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How did you mount it in the attic? Does it come with the necessary hardware. The online pics I have seen don't show any type of mounting hardware.
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How did you mount it in the attic? Does it come with the necessary hardware. The online pics I have seen don't show any type of mounting hardware.

Well one of my dishes got damaged in Hurricane Charlie. DirecTV came out and replaced the Dish. I used the mast of the old damaged dish to mount the antenna. Worked perfectly.

It came with the screws and brackets, but not the mast. I think you can buy dish masts at starkelectonic.com for under $20.
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Well I picked up the Jensen "low profile" amplified antenna at Best Buy and to sum it up, it's a big piece o' crap. It actually gets worse reception then just the coax cable dangling free. After that major let down and started playing around with moving the SS around. I think I finally got it in a position where everything is happy. WESH is a solid 90 and everything else is 88 or above now.
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Yeah anything Jensen or Terk makes good TV top decoration and that's about it. Sorry should've warned you about Jensen...
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Yeah unfortunetly Jensen and Terk are about the only thing sold at local stores. It's easy to return them, so no big loss.
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Is anyone else having issues receiving WKMG right now?
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Is anyone else having issues receiving WKMG right now?

Yes, they are off the air. I can not tell why.

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Yeah... no CBS right now. This better be fixed before CSI time!

Update: sweet.. CBS is back up.
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How often do the OTA broadcasts go down? Is it the whole thing or just broadcast in SD instead of HD? or both? I plan on getting a DirecTV HD tuner and getting the locals in HD over the air. DTV will still have the locals but only in SD.
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My experience is that the OTA locals seldom go down. Even when we have a rainout I still get the locals OTA. OTA was reliable even during the hurricanes even though my antenna (Stealth) had one "wing" badly bent (we never lost power). I would cancel the DTV locals except they are only $3 per month with the Platinum DTV package which is quite reasonable for a backup. I don't remember using the DTV locals at all during the past year or so except for the magic on 65.
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I've been researching for outdoor antennas for a couple of days now and I don't know what I should get. I live in the Apopka area and I think I'll need an outdoor type. I tried out Zenith Silver Sensor and have it on top of the TV. I was only able to get CBS and Fox to come in but has drop outs.

According to antennaweb.org the digital stations are between 31-35 miles away between 114° and 118°.

I really like the square shooter or channel master stealth because of the looks but I don't think they'll be good enough to go 35 miles. I want to get just one UHF/VHF/FM antenna that will be able to pickup VHM WESH signal. I've read in here that NBC is hard to get.

What would you guys suggest?

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I use the Channel Master Stealth Antenna from about 30 miles away and get all of the stations with no problem. However, I do use a pre amp and have the antenna up in the attic. Height, even by a few feet, and the pre amp really makes a big difference.

I actually use to use the Silver Sensor and received all the stations, including WESH, from up in the attic and with a pre amp, but I wanted to improve the signal strength of WESH so I went with the Stealth Antenna. With the Stealth Antenna, my signal went from in the 70s to in the 90s (on a DirecTivo HR10-250).
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I am in Melbourne Beach, and just put up a square shooter (so as not to overly excite the octogenarians in the HOA) with a CM 7777 preamp, driving about 70 feet of RG-6. All channels are 90-100, no dropouts, no complaints. But I don't even get a smell of WESH. I am using the new RCA Directv receiver. Any recommendations (that don't involve using a different antenna)?

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WESH is VHF and I'm pretty sure the SquareShooter is only a UHF antenna... i think it will pull in VHF sometimes (like the Silver Sensor) but it's not optimized for VHF. You're going to need another antenna for VHF.
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SquareShooter is both.
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I live in Merritt Island, 30 miles from the HD antennas.

My current situation is Dish network and indoor antennas for analog and HD

For analog I am using an amplified indoor and can only get ABC, WB, FOX & PAX.

For digital I am using an old "bow-tie" from a portable that was laying in the closet. I receive everything, but have to move it around to get the different stations

I would like to get an outdoor antenna to receive ch. 2-69 in order to improve the analog and have a permanent placement for the digital. I am not very handy and do not want to run additional lines. I was hoping to get something small, like the Winegard gs-2000-a or RCA ANT706 folding antenna and use a di-plexer to take advantage of the satellite lines.

Can anyone tell me if these should work, or if something similar to those models in shape and price will work?

I can't help but feel if the portable bow-tie can get everything, it shouldn't take much for an outdoor to pull everything. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I live in Merritt Island, 30 miles from the HD antennas.

My current situation is Dish network and indoor antennas for analog and HD

For analog I am using an amplified indoor and can only get ABC, WB, FOX & PAX.

For digital I am using an old "bow-tie" from a portable that was laying in the closet. I receive everything, but have to move it around to get the different stations

I would like to get an outdoor antenna to receive ch. 2-69 in order to improve the analog and have a permanent placement for the digital. I am not very handy and do not want to run additional lines. I was hoping to get something small, like the Winegard gs-2000-a or RCA ANT706 folding antenna and use a di-plexer to take advantage of the satellite lines.

Can anyone tell me if these should work, or if something similar to those models in shape and price will work?

I can't help but feel if the portable bow-tie can get everything, it shouldn't take much for an outdoor to pull everything. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

If there is a Lowes near you, go and look at their cheapest vhf/uhf combo antenna. I believe it will be under $50.

I live 47 miles from Bithlow/Christmas. I have their largest vhf/uhf combo on a pole above my roof. I get EVERY digital channel, except 27.1 with very good signal strength. (also using a Channel Master 777 amp)

For another TV in my house, I also have Lowes' medium sized uhf/vhf combo antenna in my attic. It can get most digital channels ( with a 777 amp). WESH 11 (2.1) only comes in on good nights. WKMG 58 (6.1) usually comes in good, not in bad weather. I rarely pick up UPN 41 (65.1). Everything else comes in great.

If I can get most of the digital channels with the medium antenna in my attic (from 47 miles), you should be able to do OK with the small combo antenna on your roof @ 30 miles; maybe even without the Channel Master amp.

One nice thing, Lowes and Home Depot will let you return antennas for a full refund with no questions asked, as long as you have all parts, packaging, and a receipt. So you can try several different antennas until you are satisfied.

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also be aware the the radio shack diplexer filters out ch 6 CBS 58-DT
Anybody having trouble today with the Buc's game reception on FOX.It has been breaking up on both OTA and Directv,but is OK on Dishnetwork.All this started just before 4:00 PM.
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I saw the breakups at the start of the bucs game on WOFL. Also had problems with them last week.
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The Fox breakups were on BHN cable as well.
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Freezes and sound breakups galore on Fox HD for me too. It was so bad it crashed my HDTV app to the desktop several times.

It seems as if it's a local issue because there's no mention of it in the national Fox NFL Sunday thread.

WOFL-HD is definitely making their bid as the worst DTV station around.
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I have D* and BHNcable. Both showed the breakups. I don't believe that these were reception issues. I believe these were network issues.

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I had audio and video break up during the Packers & Eagles game on FoxHD. It seemed to get better as the game moved on, but at the beginning it was almost unwatchable. I have BrightHouse Digital cable.

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I just hooked up a Channel Master 3018 in the attic. Most of the stations are 28-35 miles away pointing the same direction. I was able to get all digital channels I expected to get except 6.1 (CBS) and 65.1 (UPN).

What is weird is I had a Zenith Silver Sensor and was able to pick up 6.1 when it was just on top of the TV. How come with a bigger antenna I'm not getting 6.1 anymore?
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My experience is that small changes in direction and/or tilt can make big differences. In SC, I have a 4228 in the attic, and it ended up pointing about 10 degrees north of where I thought it should point - that resulted in my getting all stations.

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I was able to get all digital channels I expected to get except 6.1 (CBS) and 65.1 (UPN).

The highest frequency channels are the first to attenuate when you have a bad coax connector or splitter problem.

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I just hooked up a Channel Master 3018 in the attic. Most of the stations are 28-35 miles away pointing the same direction. I was able to get all digital channels I expected to get except 6.1 (CBS) and 65.1 (UPN).

What is weird is I had a Zenith Silver Sensor and was able to pick up 6.1 when it was just on top of the TV. How come with a bigger antenna I'm not getting 6.1 anymore?

Remember that UPN 65.1 does not map correctly on most HD receivers. You can find it on its broadcast channel of 41.1 & 41.2.
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