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post #1591 of 3220 Old 07-14-2008, 05:50 PM
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OK, it sounds like maybe inletislandmike might be confused about what's HD and what's not.

Any old analog channel like 2, or 6, or 9, will only be standard definition. Those are the NTSC channels that will be going away in Febraury.

Their companion channels, 2.1, 6.1, and 9.1 are their digital counterparts, and will be the place where you'll get HD signals - WHEN THEY'RE BROADCASTING HD. Most daytime programming is standard def stuff, even on the digital channels. Check your pictures and reception at night. Like tonight, Monday, you should find the CBS sitcoms on channel 6.1 in high definition along with CSI Miami at 10.

You said you had the TV on the "antenna" setting. That's important if you're trying to get over-the-air signals from channels 14 on. There should be a selection in your TV's menus somewhere for antenna or cable, and it should be on antenna if you're trying to receive over-the-air signals.

Once that's set, you should do some kind of channel scan - also found somewhere in the menus. That will scan all of the frequencies and map out the channels that you can receive.

Your antenna should be pointed toward Bithlo - that's where the main Orlando signals are.

Try these and report back.

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Thanks Harry,
Have the antenna pointed to Bithlo 195 degrees from my house.Will try CSI tonight.

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Yeah, information overload. Like Harry said, just worry about getting the digital x.1, x.2, etc. channels. The x.1 channel is a dupe of the original analog x.0 channel. The x.0 channels (SD) are MUCH harder to get a clear picture, have a lower resolution and will be going away in February anyway. Don't even bother trying to get a good analog signal.

Also, Stephen said you had a directional antenna. Use the website to make sure that's what you need. You might have towers spread out all over the damn place and may need an omni-directional antenna.
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Hello,
I am not receiving 6.1 but receive 9.1.Tied to watch CSI last night and it came in signal of 480.I must be missing something.
The towers are all approximately 195 degrees from my house.The antenna is a Winegard GS 2200 and is a batwing antenna.I have read that the antenna should have the length of the antenna or putting the longest part of the antenna facing the source signal.
No luck.

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It must be some setting on your TV. Read through the manual in the section on HDTV and look for clues there.

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http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx

This site can be used for the Orlando area stations,direction of signal etc.
Called Winegard and they said CBS may have broadcast in 480 last night instead of 780p.Will call station now.No CSI in HD last night.

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I am attempting to install a Winegard GS 2200.I have powered the amplifier and the splitter is lit up.I am not getting a HD signal when plugging in direct.I live in Daytona Beach and know it is open on the 3 networks.I am receiving channels but not in HD.

Here is the antenna:



Where do you have the antenna located?

Most of these gimmicky antennas don't work very well unless you are really close to the transmitter.
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http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx

This site can be used for the Orlando area stations,direction of signal etc.
Called Winegard and they said CBS may have broadcast in 480 last night instead of 780p.Will call station now.No CSI in HD last night.

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What's your zipcode? I used 32114 at AntennaWeb and it indicated that you couldn't get digital signals!? That seems damn odd. In fact, you only get PBS, HTN, and NBC analog signals. And to get NBC analog you need a large direction antenna with a pre-amp - an antenna much larger than the one you currently have.

Do you know of anyone else in Daytona that is able to receive all the network channels, analog or digital?
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Lately I think antennaweb is broken. I don't get any digital stations either when I punch in my work zip code. My home zip works fine. Work is actually closer to the tx farm than home.
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Lately I think antennaweb is broken. I don't get any digital stations either when I punch in my work zip code. My home zip works fine. Work is actually closer to the tx farm than home.

Yeah, this is a little suspicious. My home zip (32708) is still working just fine. It makes no sense that Daytona wouldn't have OTA service.
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I should add that antennaweb used to provide the correct info for my work zip, and the hdtv we have here pulls in all the digital channels just fine.
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The Winegard 2200 is very directional with UHF channels. You have to point the "front" like an arrow towards the tower. It definitely can't be backwards or sideways. I can't tell from your description whether this is how you currently have it mounted.

http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/GS-2200.pdf
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The Winegard 2200 is very directional with UHF channels. You have to point the "front" like an arrow towards the tower. It definitely can't be backwards or sideways. I can't tell from your description whether this is how you currently have it mounted.

http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/GS-2200.pdf


I love the contradicting advantages/disadvantages: ideal for stations 180' apart/does not pick up signal from back.
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Talked with Winegard this AM and I have all the stations in HD.CBS or channel 6 here in zip 32127 had an hd station at 105.Was looking for 6.1 which is like WESH ABC 9,9.1.Fox is 35.1 for HD.
My antenna is 90 degrees to the towers per Winegard facing SW 195 degrees on a 10 ft pole outside my house,on the portion of my house that is not blocking the antenna.
Winegard suggested the mast I have should be OK,but that I may want to go higher.Not totally satisfied with some of the reception I am getting and may go higher.Any other hints as to better reception?
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I love the contradicting advantages/disadvantages: ideal for stations 180' apart/does not pick up signal from back.

Yeah, if someone didn't understand the difference in VHF and UHF, and didn't know how the HD channels mapped, then this antenna could provide a whole mess of trouble. From the bad reviews I read, I would switch to something else. Here's an informative website that does a good job of showing VHF vs UHF sensitivity, directionality, etc. Unfortunately the Winegard 2200 isn't listed.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html

It looks like there are some high-gain UHF antennas that might have sufficient gain on the higher VHF channels to pick up WESH at frequency assignment 11.
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The cm 4228 is a favorite. It has pretty decent vhf gain to get wesh, too. It should be all you will need.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=ANC4228

I have a 43xg along with a cm7777 pre-amp in my attic about 45 miles out. That combo works great for uhf, but doesn't get wesh, so I have a y5-7-13 for that. The amp combines the two antennas. I got everything from solid signal.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=AD-43XG
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?prod=ANC7777
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=Y5-7-13

note when I bought the 43xg, I actually got a 91xg! They are the same antenna - the 91 has an extra middle section. I called them to verify and they confirmed. I'm not sure if they still do this, though (91 for the price of a 43).
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Not sure about the rules on links here, but I thought this was an interesting non techy HD article......

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/4275063.html
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I won't create a new thread since this thread should be able to solve my issue.

I've got a Phillips MANT-510. I've got the UHF portion of the antenna pointed at 105 degrees. The rabbit ears are straight east/west (90/270 degrees) and each of them are set at a 45 degree angle to the base of the antenna. I absolutely cannot get WESH in for the life of me, and I'm assuming it's because I don't have my VHF rabbit ears pointed in the right direction. I've attached crude pictures to get my point across.





The first image is from the top how I've got it situated, and the second is from the front of the antenna. If anyone has any good suggestions as to where I should be positioning my rabbit ears I would be most grateful. My zip code is 32714 for reference. Thanks all.
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The position of the antenna elements needs to be a straight horizontal bar. Reduce length to 28 inches tip to tip over both ears. Height is important so if you can get the antenna any higher it will help.

|-----------------28 inches-----------------|

===========^=============

VHF antennas straight out to the side.

Rotate base for best signal strength.

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The position of the antenna elements needs to be a straight horizontal bar. Reduce length to 28 inches tip to tip over both ears. Height is important so if you can get the antenna any higher it will help.

|-----------------28 inches-----------------|

===========^=============

VHF antennas straight out to the side.

Rotate base for best signal strength.

Great I will try it. Does it matter if the elements are facing straight east/west or does it just matter that it's straight out from the base like my top-down picture shows? Thanks for your quick input!
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If you have a signal strength meter built in to the 510 tune to WESH-DT and rotate the entire base with the elements straight out until the signal reads the highest. Then move the UHF after WESH is stable.

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Well the best I could get it still has a decent amount of snow, although at least the audio comes in clear and the picture is legible, only the analog station comes in at all. I've tried every amount of signal amplification with the antenna and around the halfway mark (~25dB I would assume) seems to pull in the best signal. I'm in an apartment, 2nd of 3 floors in the building, and unfortunately my apartment is facing west, so the signal has to go through an entire room to the east and I would assume above that as well. I've tried putting the antenna up to the roof (it's sitting about 7 feet up on my armoire as it is) and I've also put it on the ground and nothing seems to help the signal at all. Is WESH ever doing to switch over to UHF like everyone else? I can't move in to a house for at least another 18 months so my antenna situation won't be getting any better. I just want to watch the Olympics and Heroes in HD

Using the Google Earth plugins found on the stickies above, my apartment is in a yellow/green area of reception for WESH, if that helps at all.
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WESH is not going to UHF. If you are a single guy and want to see VHF for the olympics I would suggest moving up to an outdoor size antenna inside your apartment. The more elements you have near 28 inches the higher gain you will achieve on ch. 11.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...?PROD=Y10-7-13

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=Y5-7-13

Another trick for picking up stations from the "wrong" side of the building is to aim the antenna backwards and try to pickup a reflection from a taller building west of your position.

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Here are the final channel assignments come 2009, so a re-scan is going to be needed.

WESH 11
WKCF 17
WOFL 22
WMFE 23
WKMG 26
WRDQ 27
WBCC 30
WCEU 33
WFTV 39
WACX 40
WRBW 41
WOTF 43
WTGL 46
WOPX 48
WVEN 49
WHLV 51
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WESH is not going to UHF. If you are a single guy and want to see VHF for the olympics I would suggest moving up to an outdoor size antenna inside your apartment. The more elements you have near 28 inches the higher gain you will achieve on ch. 11.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...?PROD=Y10-7-13

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_disp...p?PROD=Y5-7-13

Another trick for picking up stations from the "wrong" side of the building is to aim the antenna backwards and try to pickup a reflection from a taller building west of your position.

Haha that would explain why I could still get channels when the antenna was facing the opposite way that it was supposed to. If I buy one of these VHF antennas should I just connect it to the back of the MANT510 I've got now on the Cable port (Check the image here of the back of it) or should I plug it in to my second coaxial port on my TV? I would assume the second option is the best but just checking. When using the auto-scan function I have an option for ANT A and ANT B.
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You should plug directly into the TV. Read the TV manual to see if the ANT A and ANT B are different. Sometimes one ANT input is for NTSC and the other one is for ATSC. Any chance you could post a photo of a giant outdoor VHF antenna inside your apartment? Might be funny enough to send to the engineers at WESH.

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You should plug directly into the TV. Read the TV manual to see if the ANT A and ANT B are different. Sometimes one ANT input is for NTSC and the other one is for ATSC. Any chance you could post a photo of a giant outdoor VHF antenna inside your apartment? Might be funny enough to send to the engineers at WESH.

Hahaha yeah I might just do that, I'm really considering ordering it because I want to get the channel, and I'm not moving for quite a while.
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I feel the need to put down in writing some disclaimers. I am not guaranteeing this antenna will work. If it does not work you may need to spend more money to add a VHF preamp. Your TV might not work as expected with UHF on ANT A and VHF on ANT B. You may have to rescan frequently or some kind of UHF/VHF combiner may be required. I am simply suggesting a solution most likely to work for WESH reception but I can't evaluate your receive conditions through a chat board.

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I am new here, so please excuse me if this has been posted before. Firstly I am in 32839 zip near the Mall at Millenia. I use a couple of DIY antennas made from coat hangers, one for each TV, which are placed in my attic. Cost for each antenna is $2.20, I currently get 37 digital channels without moving the antenna, I don't care about the analog channels. What am I missing by not buying a fancy antenna? WESH 2.1 and 2.2 are super strong. I have occasional trouble with WVEN 26.1 and 26.2.

One question. I see that there are signals but no broadcast on 23.9 and 23.10. Do these belong to WMFE?





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