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RE: WMBD You are talking about a station that had a "buzz" in their audio due to a bad microwave link for almost their entire analog broadcast history, even after they went stereo. They knew it but didn't ever do anything about it. Imagine trying to explain that noise to someone, that there was nothing wrong with their brand new Stereo TV.

BTW, RE: WEEK If something broke, they would throw it into the dumpster and wait till after pickup to inform management that they needed a new one. (or else they would be told to patch obsolete equipment for the 10th time)
You have 2 good points there. WMBD always had it's own fair share of issues, but during the 1990's, their CBS-31 newscasts easily outshone the competition. They were the first in Peoria to get a meteorologist and if WHOI or WEEK could get a nice computer upgrade that would be seen by the viewer, WMBD would answer them with something better within a matter of a few months.

WEEK seemed like they had trouble operating things. I also remember seeing them misspelling info in crawls. I must also make mention the fact that WEEK waited until 2001 (more than a decade past all other NBC affiliates known to me at the time) to broadcast in stereo. I'm sure NBC, who pushed it hard, wasn't very happy with them. And when it came to broadcasting warnings, they got to where they would copy WMBD & WHOI. One time, theirs was actually working and WHOI's was messing up, yet they still made theirs match what WHOI was saying. I had to chuckle. LOL WEEK used to have the worst weather staff. Nowadays they may have a better weather team, but their graphics are still sub-par. The have glitches caused by their central hub, new turnover, and a need to renovate their entire set. I could never figure out how they got the ratings they did. I actually liked WHOI better before WEEK took them over.

And who can forget WHOI, until the end, their graphics were never very impressive, and through the 1990's, they were seldom first in the market to get anything new. They were slow to produce a crawl early on and I remember seeing Logan County spelled as "Logam". And I used to hate their old monophonic audio. It just sounded so muffled to me. I'm glad they at least got rid of their old audio gear.

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I hear you, Jeremy. It's 2015, and not one Peoria station is in HD. I keep looking at your situation, and I wanted to say this.

While the 4 stations (not 3) are all in HD now up in the Rockford market, it's known that all the Rockford stations are up for sale to someone who will buy them. As one Chicago media person in the know once told me 3 or 4 years ago: it may not be terribly long before those stations become satellites of the Madison stations. I fully agree. The owners of the ABC/FOX affiliate up here are in bankruptcy, and even the roof of WTVO, our ABC affiliate, was in such poor shape that employees wondered if it was going to collapse. Seriously! Last winter, their tower was so unstable that they had to go off the air for a few days because it was in danger of collapsing into their studios and transmitter!

So, things aren't as rosy as you think they are up here. Furthermore, turnover is very high. After several years, a very good meteorologist was let go...simply because of salary, I am sure. Their news department has been cut beyond to the bone. And, we don't even have a PBS station up here!

I could see WMBD, WEEK, etc become satellites of the Champaign/Springfield market stations, and your market getting absorbed into that one, creating a huge central Illinois TV market, much like Birmingham, AL. While that wouldn't be fun, you'd finally get HD. BTW, Birmingham's ABC affiliate shut down 2 of their three full power transmitters last year to save money. Some people can't get them now except via satellite or cable.

The only thing that I can say is that market revenue is so bad, they cannot upgrade. Furthermore, they can't keep high-paid talent as a result. Finally, going HD would be too expensive for a small or cheap owner. Their return on investment would be too small, otherwise, they would certainly be in HD. And, more than likely, the company has told local management, to put it bluntly, to shut up or hand wave as best they can when the HD question is asked. If they lie, that is wrong, but if they are silent, the answer is "no, and we cannot tell you when...because we don't know either". I'm sure they all wish they were in HD. I'm 100% positive on that. Who doesn't want to look like a Mickey Mouse operation operating with 1990s equipment? But their company bosses higher up have said "no", and I'm sure they are pushing to have it done.

So, I say: don't pummel them hard. It stinks, I know. They likely have NO say in when they will be upgraded, though I am sure they have voiced their concerns, repeatedly. Instead, encourage them, when they get good talent, to pay to keep them. Having idiots in HD who couldn't write or tell a news story is infinitely worse than someone who can in 4:3 and 1990s cameras, switchers and editing equipment.
First off, I should probably make it clear that Nexstar has already upgraded over 75% of their stations to an HD newscast, and many of those stations are in significantly smaller markets than WMBD. That being said, I'm more than positive WMBD would make just enough revenue to support an upgrade. But I'm sure it has to do with the fact Nexstar is too cheap and strategically purchased 2 CBS affiliates adjacent to WMBD so they can eliminate the one in the middle. There's no doubt they have been eying the option of making WMBD a satellite of WCIA or WHBF. I've suspected that for years. And now, my suspiciouns are even more reinforced just seeing they are still not even in digital widescreen, what a joke. It's obvously much cheaper to go to digital widescreen as opposed to full hd, but WMBD is about the last station that can't even make it there.

I have a lot of disgust & hatred for Nexstar. I hate reading all these stories where they brag about their accomplishments while seeing what they're doing to WMBD. And when I saw they were giving WHBF a new set, I was infuriated! There's NOTHING wrong with their set, and it's only 3 years old. I don't even know why they're putting that kind of money into WHBF anyway. WHBF's ratings were lower than WHOI used to be. Nexstar deals with hundreds of millions of dollars each year and they continue to increase their revenue. $2 million to give WMBD a facelift wouldn't break them. I hope WMBD is able to convince them, but I'm positive Nexstar is going to force them to repeat WHBF or WCIA. I do have to say that Peoria has the superior PBS affiliate when compared to the QC though. I'm glad we have WTVP and it sucks that Rockford doesn't have a PBS affiliate.

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And even though WMBD doesn't have a single Meteorologist with a CBM, AMS or NWA certification, as well as a horrible turnover rate, I still like them better than WEEK.

Funny you should mention that Jokinjer1. WMBD's Chief met announced on his Facebook that he is leaving Mar 13 to go to WISH8 in Indy (his home area). In the job opening for his replacement one of the requirements is the AMS seal or CBM. I hope they get someone who can give their WSI MAX system a good workout. If nothing else their upgraded scroll system is not five minutes behind like the old one was. It also scrolls the actual text of the warning or svr wx statement instead of the generic 'warning for x until y'. If you're not doing live coverage that information is vital and has irritated me for years that no one has had it locally since WHOI's Accuweather First Warn crawl back in 1996.
Haha I just heard Marcus was leaving today. I was actually half surprised, but I shouldn't have been. Everybody leaves WMBD eventually. I'm with you though. WMBD news is so much better than WEEK. WMBD news is faster and more aggressive whereas WEEK tends to just bumble. WMBD weather presentations and graphics are also much better. I still liked Marcus Bailey regardless of his lack of a seal, but I'm glad to see WMBD is looking for a replacement who has one. It just adds to the value of the station. LOL I remember when my grip used to be a lack of meteorologists in the Peoria area. That problem has since improved as WMBD usually has 3 and WEEK has at least Chuck and, I assume, one other. But it pains me to watch WEEK. I would rather have seen WHOI become a repeater of WQAD or WAND rather than WEEK. At least it would have given Peoria more variety. And the only real jobs added in the merger took place in Ft. Wayne. Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing WEEK become a repeater of KWQC or WICS. I do not know how they still remain such a ratings powerhouse.

I remember WHOI's First Warn System. It's map was a rare first for Peoria from WHOI. It looked a little cheap to me and it had it's own fair share of issues, including glitchy delivery of the watches which they opted to just enter in manually. But it was fairly reliable at delivering the warnings for 3 years. And though the crawl was fairly slow, I do remember it was faster than the other 2. It was a pleasant turnaround for WHOI, who seemed to be the latest at entering manual crawls (WMBD was always first in the manual days, followed closely behind by WEEK and WHOI a distant third). However, with the first warn system, since each watch had to be edited and entered manually, they eventually got pretty good at manual overrides. I always thought that was a Baron crawl system.

WEEK was actually the first to have an automatic crawl system with their ***Instant Alert*** in 1995, but it was totally defective and lacked a county map & legend. During the next 3 years, depending n WEEK for watches and/or warnings was a joke. WMBD was just 2 weeks behind WHOI in debuting their first automatic crawl system, and last in the area, but theirs cost nearly twice as much as the others. It was a classic example of WMBD going one up on the competition. Though state-of-the-art, they had it set up rather plain though.

In 1998, WEEK finally replaced the Instant Alert with the same type of system WMBD had, though it was a newer version dressed up fancier with interstate and river markings. It was almost exactly the same speed as WMBD's system (few seconds behind WHOI) and was even more reliable than WMBD's system. It was at this time WHOI's First Warn system started having some trouble. And one of those times it wasn't displaying correctly, WEEK, being used to their defective instant alert, overrode their system to make all the watches and warnings match what was on WHOI. WEEK's WSI system of 1998 was also a beauty, but too bad it was a stripped-down package. WHOI & WMBD followed in 2000 and 2002 with upgrades.

WHOI's WSI system in 1997 was WHOI's best ever, and did a good job at showing street-level mapping, but lacked lightening-tracking and other things. WMBD's Weather Central system of 2009 was fully-loaded, but I don't think it looked quite as good as what WHOI had. Now WMBD has WSI's latest. I just hope it's fully loaded. And I agree it needs a bit more of a workout than what I've seen lately.

As for generating the actual text of the warnings, I had always thought it was a function of a higher-end system to edit out all the gibberish, but I, too, have benefited from the extra stuff coming straight from the NWS. It's nice to have at least one station doing it again. I'll have to check it out soon.
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LOL I just posted pictures of WHBF's new set preview as well as a clip of WCIA's set right on WMBD's Facebook page. Now Peoria viewers can see what they're missing. WMBD lost 2 likes immediately after I posted. Hopefully it all reaches Nexstar. After this, there's not much else I can do to influence.

And here's something unrelated, but irritating. In 2013, Mark DeSantis told me the reason why WHOI's (fairly new in 2007) WSI was scrapped in favor of WEEK's old Accu Galileo(based on 2002 technology) was because WHOI's TRU was out of date. This was obviously not true. I know the WSI computer was licensed strictly for WHOI adn you just can't drag them over to another facility. With Accu being cheaper, they just went with it. He also said they would be upgrading WHOI to a Cinema Live HD by the end of 2013, never happened. Here's an example of these guys not being truthful when you do hear from them at all.

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Well WHBF debuted their new set tonight. It's stunning, but there is some backlash over the fact they replaced some of their news team. Of course, WMBD goes through their news team like pez candy and yet keeps all the same crap equipment. I was recently told there's a strong possibility of some of the Peoria stations could be getting sold off during the spectrum incentive auction...becoming cable-only stations or totally going dark. I hate to see it happen, but if it does, whatever will be will be. It certainly explains a lot.

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apparently nobody's interested in giving their opinions on the spectrum incentive auction.
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apparently nobody's interested in giving their opinions on the spectrum incentive auction.
I get my news from "The Daily Show" and weather from Intellicast. I still get that paper thing on my doorstep every day. I've just accepted the fact that Peoria is not a major market. Fortunately my signal on ch4 is great if WMBD goes down.

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I get my news from "The Daily Show" and weather from Intellicast. I still get that paper thing on my doorstep every day. I've just accepted the fact that Peoria is not a major market. Fortunately my signal on ch4 is great if WMBD goes down.

I'm more worried about a repack messing up my digital tuners
I can only imagine how many others also tune to alternative sources, who would otherwise watch the Peoria stations if they weren't so crappy. I know Peoria is not a major market, nor is the QC or Springfield markets. But could somebody tell me why the Quincy Stations appear to be doing so well? That market isn't near as big and I doubt either of those stations are up for sale. I know WGEM is Quincy Newspapers home pet, but KHQA was practically rebuilt from scratch under Barrington, and remains in great shape for a competing station in such a small market. Why oh why are both Quincy stations so much better than the Peoria stations? I've asked the question so many times but nobody has ever answered me regarding Quincy VS Peoria. Perhaps it's the fact they are VHF stations?

I do know when a station looks halfway competent, people pay more attention to them. And I know WCIA, WICS & WAND as well as WQAD & KWQC have a major presence in their markets. So many people have given up on WEEK & WMBD because they're a couple of jokes. All that being said, had somebody made major investments in at least ONE of the Peoria stations instead of letting them all fall into disrepair over the past several years, maybe they would be getting much higher ratings now?

I'm sure the turnaround will only help WHBF. But unfortunately, they scrapped some of their local sketches in favor of the homogenized Nexstar cookie-cutter news formula. Just from the stories, I felt like I was watching WMBD in HD instead of WHBF. LOL Not to mention, the weather graphics package schemes, though sharp, are the same across all Nexstar stations. Why do major media companies have to give all their stations the same look? Either way, for the most part, it doesn't matter because Nexstar appears to be making a good impression on QC viewers. LOL
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I know Peoria is not a major market, nor is the QC or Springfield markets.
So you're saying the the TV market with the capital of IL in it, is in the "same boat" (marketwise) as Peoria or QC's??? Our market is about the 82nd largest DMA, & the others are pretty far down after the 100th, so I'm not sure about your comparisons...

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But could somebody tell me why the Quincy Stations appear to be doing so well?
Maybe it's because both of those major stations broadcast multiple major networks (CBS & ABC for one, NBC, FOX & CW for the other)...unlike the stations in Peoria or QC, that have stations where each one ONLY has 1 major network affiliation. Even though some of those stations have the same owners, you also have higher costs in running each of those separate stations/transmitters, staffing, etc.

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Perhaps it's the fact they are VHF stations?
In the digital age, V's are usually more of a detriment (signal-wise) than benefit...so I guess to your point, it's even more amazing they're doing well.

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I do know when a station looks halfway competent, people pay more attention to them. And I know WCIA, WICS & WAND
Unfortunately, WICS just canned TWO of their "competent" newsfolks, (after they got into a catfight at our local Hooters ) as well as another is leaving for a station in the Carolina's.

http://www.sj-r.com/article/20150302...09906/?Start=1

http://www.sj-r.com/article/20150304/News/150309773
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Springfield/Decatur/Campaign is just slipped to 85 with 371,740 tv homes.
Quad Cities has slipped to 100 from 98 with 298,960 tv homes
Peoria slipped 1 spot to DMA 117 with 248,030 tv homes

Springfield is no Chicago or Indianapolis, but they are not North Platte either. One certainly can't see much different in performance between the Springfield & QC stations, perhaps because cheap companies such as Nexstar & Sinclair have dominated down there for some time whereas cheap operations in the QC have been limited to WHBF. But numbers wise, the QC DMA is closer to the Peoria DMA than the Springfield DMA. Yet the condition of the Peoria stations don't even compare to the QC stations. Only the slightly larger Boise dma (#109 / 263,520 homes) lacks an HD newscast(provided KTVI hasn't already gone HD). However, they still have 3 independent news operations and a forth newscast produced by their ABC station. I know that differences of 50,000 homes are significant. But what amazes me is how some of the smaller markets look more like the QC & Springfield than Peoria stations. Peoria is about as horrible as it gets. Listed below are some of the smaller markets I have recently spoke of. I know not every one of those stations are up for sale. But it is unknown to me how well they are financially.

Wassau/Rhinelander #134 177,040
Rockford #135 - 174,990 homes
Sioux City #149 - 152,320
Erie #150 -151,720
Joplin/Pitsgurgh #151 - 145,700
Terre Haute #155 - 135,360
Quincy/Hannibal/ Keokuk #170 - 101,570 homes

You bring up a good point there. Range is better but interference is worse. One wouldn't think they would be doing well at all. You would also think WHBF would be a sinking ship for Nexstar.

HAHA I didn't hear about the Hooters brawl. You don't hear of that every day. Conduct is certainly one thing. But I could always chalk that up any other sort of turnover to Sinclair, fairly or unfairly. Thanks for the links! Anyway, it will be interesting to see what they next 2 years bring.

P.S I had to re-work this post in order for it to post. It kept telling me it was too "short".

Here's a link to the latest Nielsen page:


http://www.tvb.org/media/file/Nielse..._DMA_Ranks.pdf

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Only the slightly larger Boise dma (#109 / 263,520 homes) lacks an HD newscast(provided KTVI hasn't already gone HD).
KTVI is out of St.Louis...

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Yes, in spite of the other (remotely possible) reasons why, at the end of the day, it's ridiculous that Peoria can't even have ONE local newscast in HD. I always thought it would have been WMBD, since WCIA was one of our very first stations to get upgraded here.
Also, while I read the previous posts from you & Zap re: WMBD's buzz, they were at least in stereo LONG before WCIA went stereo down here; I remember back then, at the house I lived at I could actually pull in WMDB as clearly as WCIA...so I would watch CBS from there, just to have the stereo audio. (obviously before satellite...)

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Thank you for this link; I couldn't find an updated DMA ranking for this year
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KTVI is out of St.Louis...

Yes, in spite of the other (remotely possible) reasons why, at the end of the day, it's ridiculous that Peoria can't even have ONE local newscast in HD. I always thought it would have been WMBD, since WCIA was one of our very first stations to get upgraded here.
Also, while I read the previous posts from you & Zap re: WMBD's buzz, they were at least in stereo LONG before WCIA went stereo down here; I remember back then, at the house I lived at I could actually pull in WMDB as clearly as WCIA...so I would watch CBS from there, just to have the stereo audio. (obviously before satellite...)

Thank you for this link; I couldn't find an updated DMA ranking for this year [/quote]

LOL I meant KTVB, their NBC affiliate. I can't confirm it because I only heard it from somebody who suspects itS possibly based on their latest online videos look, but that doesn't mean they are broadcasting news OTA in HD and I was never able to confirm it. If they are, than Peoria is the biggest market left without a single HD newscast. And it all has to do with the media owners who have a chokehold on Peoria. Nexstar may be spending a ton of money on the majority of their stations, even those smaller than WMBD, but they are still neglecting WMBD and I despise them for it, especially when they are making hundreds of millions. I will continue to be thorn in their side. Granite is just flat broke and waiting for the FCC to approve their sale.

I, too, honestly thought WMBD would be first. But now I see there are no immediate plans and it's disappointing. They also beat WCIA to transmitting in HD.

And you're welcome! I lucked out as I just stumbled across that link during a Google search. Perhaps it wasn't up until recently.

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KTVI is out of St.Louis...

Yes, in spite of the other (remotely possible) reasons why, at the end of the day, it's ridiculous that Peoria can't even have ONE local newscast in HD. I always thought it would have been WMBD, since WCIA was one of our very first stations to get upgraded here.
Also, while I read the previous posts from you & Zap re: WMBD's buzz, they were at least in stereo LONG before WCIA went stereo down here; I remember back then, at the house I lived at I could actually pull in WMDB as clearly as WCIA...so I would watch CBS from there, just to have the stereo audio. (obviously before satellite...)

Thank you for this link; I couldn't find an updated DMA ranking for this year
LOL I meant KTVB, their NBC affiliate. I can't confirm it because I only heard it from somebody who suspects itS possibly based on their latest online videos look, but that doesn't mean they are broadcasting news OTA in HD and I was never able to confirm it. If they are, than Peoria is the biggest market left without a single HD newscast. And it all has to do with the media owners who have a chokehold on Peoria. Nexstar may be spending a ton of money on the majority of their stations, even those smaller than WMBD, but they are still neglecting WMBD and I despise them for it, especially when they are making hundreds of millions. I will continue to be thorn in their side. Granite is just flat broke and waiting for the FCC to approve their sale.

I, too, honestly thought WMBD would be first. But now I see there are no immediate plans and it's disappointing. They also beat WCIA to transmitting in HD.

And you're welcome! I lucked out as I just stumbled across that link during a Google search. Perhaps it wasn't up until recently.[/QUOTE]
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LOL I meant KTVB, their NBC affiliate. I can't confirm it because I only heard it from somebody who suspects itS possibly based on their latest online videos look, but that doesn't mean they are broadcasting news OTA in HD and I was never able to confirm it. If they are, than Peoria is the biggest market left without a single HD newscast. And it all has to do with the media owners who have a chokehold on Peoria. Nexstar may be spending a ton of money on the majority of their stations, even those smaller than WMBD, but they are still neglecting WMBD and I despise them for it, especially when they are making hundreds of millions. I will continue to be thorn in their side. Granite is just flat broke and waiting for the FCC to approve their sale.

I, too, honestly thought WMBD would be first. But now I see there are no immediate plans and it's disappointing. They also beat WCIA to transmitting in HD.

And you're welcome! I lucked out as I just stumbled across that link during a Google search. Perhaps it wasn't up until recently.
Wow I have no idea what the kiss emotocon in my last reply was about. It was obviously a mistake on my part. LOL[/QUOTE]
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So when is the crazy FCC going to approve the re-worked Granite-Quincy deal? They approved the Grante-Scripps deal in 3 months. This one is 4 months and counting. I have a feeling it won't be approved and we'll be stuck with Granite until they go completely under.
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Quincy Newspapers originally wanted to control WHOI once they get WEEK, but Sinclair announces they will break terminate the JSA within 9 months of WEEK's ownership transfer to Quincy Newspapers. Seems to me, as I have been suspecting for quite some time, Sinclair is wanting to revamp either the WHOI or WYZZ studios for their own independent news operation.
Interesting, but not surprising, development in the Springfield/Champaign market involving Sinclair--WICD will be dropping 95% of their local news content, meaning WICS/WICD will be having a market-wide newscast nearly 24/7/365. See article below:

https://changingnewscasts.wordpress....0-pm-be-saved/

If the Granite-Quincy deal ever gets approved and Sinclair breaks WHOI's JSA with WEEK afterward, I predict that a "third local newscast" will still NOT return to the Peoria/Bloomington market--I would not be surprised to see Sinclair's WHOI/WYZZ newscasts--and possibly 19 and 43's main operations--hubbed out of Springfield's WICS studios. Basically WHOI and WYZZ becoming inter-market satellites of WICS/WICD and WRSP/WCCU, respectively.
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I certainly wouldn't be surprised if you're right. And WICS has been producing at least some of WICD's news material for at least 20 years. I can remember how cheesy it looked when they were both sharing the same weather warning system. You had this massive 40-county map and crawl with a generic header of "from the Newschannel weather center" as to be used interchangeably between 15 & 20. Back in those days, I thought our stations were immunized to that sort of thing since neither station was affiliated with the other. But SSA's and hubbing to distant markets in recent years has certainly showed me otherwise.

Though I'd love to see a local studios at WHOI/WYZZ, I'd rather see WICS produce their news than WEEK. For one, I prefer WICS over WEEK hands-down. WEEK is about as bad as it gets. There's no comparison. Also, it would give Peoria more variety instead of our #1 & #3 stations producing the exact same stuff with only minor differences.

I wouldn't be surprised to see WCIA or WHBF take over WMBD operations. I'm sure Nextar has more in store from the WHBF makeover than meets the eye.

And if Granite can't get rid of WEEK, I'm sure WEEK will eventually become a full satellite of their Ft. Wayne operation. I've heard that WEEK is one of Granite's most profitable stations. So it has never made sense to me whey they have chosen to cut WEEK down to the bone.
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