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Guess we will just have to wait and see. But that would be a "dream come true" because then folks who have Digital TVs, Digital TV Tuner for the PC, etc would not be burdened by total junky cable company provided boxes. (Just look at all the Comcast & Time Warner box insanity).

I guess also if you have unencrypted analog it doesn't do too much to encrypt digital versions of the exact same thing.

It's just so odd to see Comcast and other companies killing ClearQAM for good mostly and yet ABB, WOW Cable, a company in Iowa, and I believe ABB's parent company Cogeco, seem to actually be welcoming it.

ABB can't kill ClearQAM because they're not all-digital. Even in their digital markets, the local tier is still in analog.

Personally, I'm in favor of complete encryption. Tons of freeloaders out there with internet connections who think they're smarter than the cable company.
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ABB can't kill ClearQAM because they're not all-digital. Even in their digital markets, the local tier is still in analog.

Personally, I'm in favor of complete encryption. Tons of freeloaders out there with internet connections who think they're smarter than the cable company.

I thought from reading online sources, ABB could encrypt Value if they really wanted, or do they actually have to have all analog gone? (Many sources make it sound like only Limited Basic has to be unencrypted).
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I thought from reading online sources, ABB could encrypt Value if they really wanted, or do they actually have to have all analog gone? (Many sources make it sound like only Limited Basic has to be unencrypted).

In order to encrypt everything including limited basic, the entire system must be digital. ABB has kept limited basic in analog even in its digital markets.

ABB could encrypt the Value tier, but with it in analog, it's out there in the open unless the line is trapped on the frequencies.
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In order to encrypt everything including limited basic, the entire system must be digital. ABB has kept limited basic in analog even in its digital markets.

ABB could encrypt the Value tier, but with it in analog, it's out there in the open unless the line is trapped on the frequencies.

Looks like I understand the law correctly then.

I guess I was wondering if ABB was going to be like Comcast. They seemed like they had only Limited Basic in the clear, while they had analog yet encrypted the digital simulcasts of Extended Basic, at least after the FCC oked it, but it seemed like they were dying to encrypt.

Though Comcast being such a larger company and probably way more money for equipment probably has more of a need to do so.

Comcast and I guess somewhat Time Warner a tad bit mainly Comcast seems to truly despise and hate ClearQAM, LoL.
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I see what's going on now in the JTown/Altoona area.

I was wondering why after all this time, ABB now is actually giving us simulcast but I just noticed while looking more in to this Tivo offering, a few stories said they are using "T6" which is apparently a Tivo Roamio or very similar.

That "model" of Tivos is said to not have any analog tuner(s) at all so would be kind of hard to give TiVo customers all locals (except those with HD) and especially the Value package. Also they state "record up to 6 channels" at once, which is kind of hard for analog tuners. Though I've seen digital tuners able to record 12-16 stations at a time if all the "subchannels" are together on the same physical channel.

At least now it makes sense, I mean it may have been planned for our area for a while, but it's still been two years since Cumberland got it and they used to claim Cumberland was tied into us, LoL.

Then again Cumberland for all I know (never actually been there) maybe has way more digital/CableCard customers, but it seems like everybody here has Value except a select view of Limited. I've seen digital folks but usually only during promotions then they cancel it and go back to Value or Limited.
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I see what's going on now in the JTown/Altoona area.

I was wondering why after all this time, ABB now is actually giving us simulcast but I just noticed while looking more in to this Tivo offering, a few stories said they are using "T6" which is apparently a Tivo Roamio or very similar.

That "model" of Tivos is said to not have any analog tuner(s) at all so would be kind of hard to give TiVo customers all locals (except those with HD) and especially the Value package. Also they state "record up to 6 channels" at once, which is kind of hard for analog tuners. Though I've seen digital tuners able to record 12-16 stations at a time if all the "subchannels" are together on the same physical channel.

At least now it makes sense, I mean it may have been planned for our area for a while, but it's still been two years since Cumberland got it and they used to claim Cumberland was tied into us, LoL.

Then again Cumberland for all I know (never actually been there) maybe has way more digital/CableCard customers, but it seems like everybody here has Value except a select view of Limited. I've seen digital folks but usually only during promotions then they cancel it and go back to Value or Limited.

In my experience, there's a ton of analog connections around here still. The systems were always connected with different local channels. Over time, they added Altoona/Johnstown locals, and were working on a petition to change Allegany County into the Altoona/Johnstown television market instead of the DC market.

The differences come down to being an 860MHz system (more bandwidth), and also we have Motorola equipment down here, and have ever since Charter bought it. TCI used Scientific Atlanta cable boxes way back in the early 90's, but we got switched somewhere.
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In my experience, there's a ton of analog connections around here still. The systems were always connected with different local channels. Over time, they added Altoona/Johnstown locals, and were working on a petition to change Allegany County into the Altoona/Johnstown television market instead of the DC market.

The differences come down to being an 860MHz system (more bandwidth), and also we have Motorola equipment down here, and have ever since Charter bought it. TCI used Scientific Atlanta cable boxes way back in the early 90's, but we got switched somewhere.

Makes total sense.

The one thing that always bummed was me, Uniontown and Cumberland always got the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN) as part of Value but JTown/Altoona makes you pay for it as part of a digital package. (I'm not a Oprah fan but they play Investigation Discovery crime shows which is nice if you don't have digital cable and plus OWN wasn't designed to be a digital channel but part of basic cable).

Also Uniontown gets CCTV (China) in Value as well but here it's digital which is weird it's a totally freely available online channel.

Maybe we will get those kinds of channels in the SDV conversion. I'm not asking for them in HD only because even SD would be nice.

EDIT: So much for my TiVo theory, LoL. ABB is already sending advertisments out for TiVo so I guess maybe they don't have to get all the channels simulcasted before folks have the actual TiVo units.
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OWN was not part of Value in Cumberland until 1/1/13 and it was changed from 301 to 37 in a content deal with Discovery. The reason Altoona/Johnstown never got it was because I don't think they have any room for an additional analog channel.
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OWN was not part of Value in Cumberland until 1/1/13 and it was changed from 301 to 37 in a content deal with Discovery. The reason Altoona/Johnstown never got it was because I don't think they have any room for an additional analog channel.

Oh ok, that makes sense then. I figured but wasn't 100% sure. They actually can use Ch 2, 16, 19, 20, 54, and 67 if they move the digital off them (Ch 2 is 100% dead no analog or digital).

But the mystery still remains to me.

How can everybody in the area be getting TiVos if not all of the analog's have been simulcast yet?

According to my buddy's HDHomeRun, if you add up all the "originally-digital" stations & the number analogs & the random digital-only stations now, it proves the simulcast can't be possibly done yet due to not enough channels on the system. (The HDHR will still show channels available even if encrypted so you can count just not view).

But how would the TiVos get all of the Value stations? We don't have HD's for every single Value.
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I'm not sure. Perhaps they've got the simulcast in place, and they've encrypted the value channels.

Some of those QAM's could be used for internet signals, since they have the same speeds we do here in Cumberland (30/3 and 75/5). Remember that digital channels can be bunched together anywhere from 6 to as many as 14 per QAM, depending on how much compression is used.
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I'm not sure. Perhaps they've got the simulcast in place, and they've encrypted the value channels.

Some of those QAM's could be used for internet signals, since they have the same speeds we do here in Cumberland (30/3 and 75/5). Remember that digital channels can be bunched together anywhere from 6 to as many as 14 per QAM, depending on how much compression is used.

Well guess we will just have to wait and see. Yea here 101-108 is used for the modem and I didn't know those.

Anyway, JimmyK814 on DSLReports is going to check on his SiliconDust Device with CableCard in Altoona, so will be interesting to see his results.
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It looks like they have all the lower tier channels duplicated and starting to add in some Value tier channels.
Here's what I found so far (as of today 3/4/14):
(existing analog channels not listed)
Channel Program
2 blank
7.1 encrypted
7.2 encrypted
7.5 encrypted
7.6 encrypted
7.7 encrypted
7.8 encrypted
7.9 encrypted
7.10 encrypted
(series continues) encrypted
7.50 encrypted
7.105 encrypted
7.106 encrypted
7.107 encrypted
7.108 encrypted
16.1 encrypted
16.2 encrypted
16.3 encrypted
19.1 encrypted
19.2 encrypted
19.3 encrypted
20 blank
20.1 encrypted
20.2 WQED HD
20.4 WPSU HD
54.1 encrypted
54.2 encrypted
54.3 encrypted
54.4 encrypted
54.5 encrypted
54.6 encrypted
54.7 encrypted
54.8 encrypted
54.9 On Demand full screen
54.10 encrypted
54.11 encrypted
54.12 encrypted
54.13 encrypted
67.1 encrypted
67.1 encrypted
67.3 encrypted
76.62351 encrypted
77.1 WTAJ HD
77.3 WWCP HD
77.5 WATM HD
78.1 encrypted
78.2 encrypted
78.3 encrypted
79.1 encrypted
79.2 encrypted
79.3 encrypted
79.4 encrypted
79.5 encrypted
79.6 encrypted
79.7 encrypted
79.8 encrypted
79.9 encrypted
79.10 encrypted
79.11 encrypted
79.12 encrypted
80.1 encrypted
80.2 encrypted
80.3 encrypted
80.4 encrypted
80.5 encrypted
80.6 encrypted
80.7 encrypted
80.8 encrypted
80.9 encrypted
80.10 MSNBC
80.11 encrypted
80.12 encrypted
81.1 encrypted
81.2 encrypted
81.3 encrypted
81.4 encrypted
81.5 encrypted
81.6 encrypted
81.7 encrypted
81.8 encrypted
81.9 encrypted
81.10 encrypted
81.11 encrypted
81.12 encrypted
82.1 encrypted
82.2 encrypted
82.3 encrypted
82.4 encrypted
82.5 encrypted
82.7 Gov Lcl 14
82.8 WTAJ
82.9 WJAC
82.10 WKBS
82.11 WTAE
82.12 CSPAN

83.1 encrypted
83.2 WHVL
83.3 WPCW
83.5 PCN
83.6 HSN
83.8 EWTN
83.9 ION
83.11 WPSU
83.12 QVC
83.13 WWCP
84.1 WATM
84.2 Lcl 9

84.3 encrypted
84.6 encrypted
84.7 WQED
84.8 Nat Geo

84.9 encrypted
84.10 encrypted
84.11 Nick Toons
84.12 Esquire
85.3 WJAC HD
85.4 Me TV 6.2

85.5 encrypted
85.6 encrypted
85.7 encrypted
85.8 This TV 23.3
86.161 encrypted
87.163 encrypted
87.172 encrypted
88.138 encrypted
89.165 encrypted
90.1 encrypted
90.2 encrypted
90.3 encrypted
90.4 encrypted
90.5 encrypted
90.6 encrypted
90.7 encrypted
90.8 encrypted
90.9 encrypted
90.10 encrypted
90.11 encrypted
90.12 CSPAN2
90.13 WPSU World
90.14 INSP
90.15 SHOP
91.1 WPCW HD

91.2 encrypted
91.3 encrypted
91.4 encrypted
91.5 encrypted
91.6 encrypted
91.7 encrypted
91.8 encrypted
92.1 encrypted
92.1 encrypted
92.2 On Demand box
92.3 encrypted
92.4 encrypted
92.5 encrypted
92.6 encrypted
92.7 encrypted
92.8 encrypted
93.1 encrypted
93.2 encrypted
93.3 encrypted
94.1 encrypted
94.2 encrypted
94.3 encrypted
99.1 encrypted
99.2 encrypted
99.3 encrypted
99.4 encrypted
99.5 encrypted
99.6 encrypted
99.7 encrypted
99.8 encrypted
99.9 encrypted
99.10 encrypted
99.11 encrypted
99.12 encrypted
99.13 encrypted
99.14 encrypted
99.15 encrypted
99.16 encrypted
100.1 encrypted
100.2 encrypted
100.3 encrypted
100.4 encrypted
100.5 encrypted
100.6 encrypted
100.7 encrypted
100.8 encrypted
100.9 encrypted
100.10 encrypted
100.11 encrypted
100.12 encrypted
100.13 encrypted
100.14 encrypted
100.15 encrypted
100.16 QVC2
109.1372 encrypted
109.1373 encrypted
110.1412 encrypted
110.1415 encrypted
111.1395 encrypted
112.1332 encrypted
112.1400 encrypted
114.128 encrypted
114.129 encrypted
114.130 encrypted
114.131 encrypted
114.132 encrypted
114.133 encrypted
114.134 encrypted
114.135 encrypted
114.136 encrypted
114.137 encrypted
114.138 encrypted
114.198 encrypted
114.199 encrypted
114.200 encrypted
114.201 encrypted
114.202 encrypted
114.203 encrypted

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Thanks PA_MainyYak. Is that from an HDHomeRun or similar? Curious since it's such complete and accurate results vs something most likely done by hand.

That's the exact same results my buddy got with his HDHomeRun.

Almost every single one of those appeared on Jan 14, the first day we actually noticed any simulcasting of any kind.

3 days earlier QVC Plus was added.

There was originally an FXX but it vanished within a few days.

Just surprised how quickly they added all these channels but seems to be taking them forever to add all the others. They must just have a ton of testing left.

JimmyK814 (http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29071321-TiVo-questions) claims the rest of the Value channels are encrypted, so I dunno. I thought the channel numbers didn't add up (digital tier + simulcast) but it's hard to count not knowing what each channel is.

Guess JTown/Altoona didn't want to be like Cumberland and not require Value customers to get a CableCard.

EDIT: You can't even call ABB for more info. They tried telling me every channel including "Limited Basic" was encrypted and the channels in 90.xxx were from other the air or from "another cable company"? LoL. (I asked because to find out how much per month the CableCard cost which was $2/mo).

They acted like they had no clue what a HDHomeRun Prime was, and asked do a I want a TV or TiVo CableCard, LoL.
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You know oriolesmagic, I think I slowly but surely am beginning to take your stance, on encryption.

I mean I don't love encryption, because as a geek/consumer, I felt like unencrypted is better for customer equipment, not requiring a box of some sort on each and every TV. I don't love the Comcast way of doing stuff. Just seeing some folks I know pay $75/mo for Value, they deserved to get the digital simulcasts free to watch vs their snowy and interference analog if they so desired.

Yet seeing how ABB has encrypted them, it has put me in a "new spot". I mean folks who pay $75/mo (pretty much $1 per channel) can't get the digital simulcasts without a CableCard and/or box, yet anybody who is "brave" enough to connect illegaly to the system or even simply remove their "trap", can get a $75 package completely free. Also $16 increase in just a few years? (A few years ago it was $59).

I mean to me it makes no sense, you aren't giving any extra value to current customers (unless they pay more), yet thieves are not stopped in any way.

Also a little bit surprised that WKBS (Conerstone) HD and QVC HD are both encrypted when they are part of the Limited Tier and the FCC claims it has to be unencrypted.

No wonder folks don't love cable companies, LoL.
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I rescanned on my kitchen TV (Sony Bravia) and then went into the Shown/Hidden menu to view everything. The Sony locks in the encrypted channels but hides them by default. I manually transcribed the multiple pages and dumped into a spreadsheet.

As an interesting aside, as ABB techs have been doing this work, I have noticed periodic but brief disruptions of various HD channels as well as ongoing problems with On Demand content.
I guess we'll have to wait and see where ABB lands on the open vs encrypted discussion.

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I rescanned on my kitchen TV (Sony Bravia) and then went into the Shown/Hidden menu to view everything. The Sony locks in the encrypted channels but hides them by default. I manually transcribed the multiple pages and dumped into a spreadsheet.

As an interesting aside, as ABB techs have been doing this work, I have noticed periodic but brief disruptions of various HD channels as well as ongoing problems with On Demand content.
I guess we'll have to wait and see where ABB lands on the open vs encrypted discussion.

Yea guess we will have to wait and see.

Supposedly Cumberland has encrypted their entire Value package according to MountainTech on DSLReports.

Though a customer service agent hinted it sounded like that ABB is dying to go all-digital. (Value-teir only like other areas?)

From my gathering of ABB's "policy" it sounds like ABB only likes an unencrypted Value tier when they go all-digital.

Though as oriolesmagic has stated, different branches of ABB like to have totally different "rules", like Florida supposedly getting ClearQAM Value HD's yet Cumberland nor JTown/Altoona has ever been known to have that. To be truly honest, I am not even sure Cumberland and JTown/Altoona are even following by the same "rules" anymore.

I just wish it could be unencrypted from a geek standpoint for consumer equipment as many TVs and TV Tuner cards can't support a CableCard.

Though it appears we have an FCC that believes ClearQAM is an insane lunatic idea, LoL. Guess it doesn't help to have a Cable Company Lobbyist as Chairman.

But HD channels being out probably explains why my buddy's HDHomeRun sometimes will claim "No Data" for some channels vs saying "Encrypted".
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Atlantic Broadband has gone all-digital in its Aiken, SC market, and added some HD channels. Even with that, they are only up to 74 HD channels by my count, which is still underwhelming and uncompetitive.

The only thing they received that nobody else has yet is Encore Action HD.

Cumberland has recently added NatGeo Wild, but in SD only.
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Atlantic Broadband has gone all-digital in its Aiken, SC market, and added some HD channels. Even with that, they are only up to 74 HD channels by my count, which is still underwhelming and uncompetitive.

The only thing they received that nobody else has yet is Encore Action HD.

Cumberland has recently added NatGeo Wild, but in SD only.

I guess it's ABB's plans to have every system go all digital finally, by the sounds of it.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

I hope ABB continues their current "policy" of once the analog is gone, the basic (Limited + Value) are both unencrypted and just protected by traps. As that would be an awesome for the consumers.

That probably is nothing but a pipe dream, but I guess you never know.

I'm just trying to picture all of the folks with analog TVs (usually 4) that I know, how they are going to handle having boxes and extra fees since you only get 2 free.

Funny thing is here, GoodWill, Saint Vincent, Salvation Army, Value It, etc are still selling analog TVs like crazy, so makes me wonder how many folks even have digital TVs. Most folks I know can barely even understand an OTA Converter Box let alone a cable converter box.

EDIT: Makes you wonder oriolesmagic, you're area (Cumerland) could actually finally make the switch to digital after acting like it was going to happen a while back.
Also, do you have any idea if they still left Limited Basic in analog like they did in other markets? (I ask because I can't seem to find any news/info on Google at all).

Also my one buddy in JTown said that his neighboor got TiVo and they appeared to be looking at his lines as well. Also I've been seeing ABB trucks in my area virtually every day when I would never see them almost. They must have to do tons of work on the lines themselves.
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They would spend a ton of money to keep analog signals alive if they went all digital. ABB will lose money going digital if they don't encrypt. They're keeping the basic channels analog in Aiken which is idiotic.

I'll never go back to ABB for TV.
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They would spend a ton of money to keep analog signals alive if they went all digital. ABB will lose money going digital if they don't encrypt. They're keeping the basic channels analog in Aiken which is idiotic.

I'll never go back to ABB for TV.

Wow, what is it with ABB and their Limited Basic analog? LoL.

It must be one insanely popular package in it's analog form, that it "has" to be there in every "all-digital" market, afaik.

I'm basically begun to not even care what ABB does for the most part anymore, they just seem like one very confused company, LoL.

I mean one minute they act like they will be an awesome company with TiVo's and all-digital, but then the next they act like an old out of date company with analog? Seems rather conflicting.

Also, I still agree with you that ABB isn't making too much sense in the Cumb/JTown/Altoona system at all. It's all fine and dandy to have encrypted digital channels, but we have 49 analogs of those same channels that are totally not encrypted and from what I hear in my area, ABB really does next to nothing to folks who break into boxes or remove traps. I have a feeling that's part of the reason it costs $75/mo, practically $1 per channel now.

I'm beginning to believe Leo Laporte and some others who feel Cable TV as an infrastructure is going to die or be crippled in the not too distant future, due to extremely high pricing, Internet competition with on-demand, cable TV is practically restricted to a single residence with few exceptions, and so much more.
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ABB basically wants to do as little as possible. No self-respecting company in this day and age would keep analog alive. Here they still have 76 analog channels.
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ABB basically wants to do as little as possible. No self-respecting company in this day and age would keep analog alive. Here they still have 76 analog channels.

I would have to say that's the case because their business decisions don't make much sense half the time.

I mean I do get a kick out of the TiVos because I am a geek not so much the $10/mo price of course.

At least they somewhat got their act together in offering us fast Internet, but it's still rather costly. Sometimes I am shocked we don't get a data cap because they seem to like doing stuff cheaply but they probably figure it's a "cheap" thing to not have a cap kinda a win-win customers happy and they don't need special software/hardware and/or support for pricing. But we were bought by Cogeco an ISP known to cap.

EDIT: On an unrelated side note, I noticed on these digital simulcast channels (my buddy's neighbor actually got TiVo as stated in a previous post) for some reason unlike the analog channels, it doesn't seem the simulcasts are playing tons and tons of ABB's own commericals. Like the analog channels keeps advertising ABB (like Fox Business and more) throughout the night but it doesn't seem like the digital channels are doing that. Some of the analogs play ABB ads so frequently you would think ABB actually produced the content on the channels, LoL.
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When is ABB going to add WHVL in HD to their system? Rumor has it that WHVL is supplying them with a direct fiber feed from their studio in State College. (It is the exact same fiber that provides ABB with the WPSU mux, and runs through Comcast's head-end in State College.)

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When is ABB going to add WHVL in HD to their system? Rumor has it that WHVL is supplying them with a direct fiber feed from their studio in State College. (It is the exact same fiber that provides ABB with the WPSU mux, and runs through Comcast's head-end in State College.)

Wow ABB must really love Comcast, I mean they also use Comcast Spotlight for advertising.

What I also find odd is they have access to WTAE (my buddy has it in Uniontown) and we don't have access to it at all in Johnstown it seems.

Also ABB's channel line claims to have WKBS and QVC HD in JTown, but they don't appear to actually be there according to HDHomeRun Prime scan results, only the SD simulcasts.

I'm still kind of curious if we are going to lose any more analog channels like we did WPSU World, CSPAN2, etc.

Also ABB must have a weird VOD setup, when messing with the HDHomeRun, you see mostly encrypted stuff but every now and then "no data" or "not encrypted" and I find it funny if you try to look at the "not encrypted" it will let you view it for like 3 seconds then either disappear or go encrypted. Was just surprised to see thing as I thought ABB had already 100% encrypted this stuff.
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Wow ABB must really love Comcast, I mean they also use Comcast Spotlight for advertising.

What I also find odd is they have access to WTAE (my buddy has it in Uniontown) and we don't have access to it at all in Johnstown it seems.

Also ABB's channel line claims to have WKBS and QVC HD in JTown, but they don't appear to actually be there according to HDHomeRun Prime scan results, only the SD simulcasts.

I'm still kind of curious if we are going to lose any more analog channels like we did WPSU World, CSPAN2, etc.

Also ABB must have a weird VOD setup, when messing with the HDHomeRun, you see mostly encrypted stuff but every now and then "no data" or "not encrypted" and I find it funny if you try to look at the "not encrypted" it will let you view it for like 3 seconds then either disappear or go encrypted. Was just surprised to see thing as I thought ABB had already 100% encrypted this stuff.

Uniontown and Fayette County are in the Pittsburgh DMA. WTAE is their local ABC affiliate. The lineups for Altoona and Johnstown show WTAE on channel 4, but WATM has made sure ABC programming is blacked out on it. WTAJ did the same to KDKA, and this eventually resulted in its dropping in Altoona and Johnstown.

ABB in Cumberland does the same thing with QVC HD, it shows it on their website, and on Zap2it, but as of any time I've ever checked, channel 714 here is merely a digital simulcast of the channel in 480p.

ABB's VOD has next to no titles in the first place, and even less in HD. Only the premium movie channels by my last check had any HD content.
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Armstrong still has 66 analog channels coming out of their Zeilenople/Butler headend. They serve the Northern parts of Allegheny County. It drives me nuts to only have 80 channels of HD when they could add another 100 more if they would drop the analog.

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Armstrong still has 66 analog channels coming out of their Zeilenople/Butler headend. They serve the Northern parts of Allegheny County. It drives me nuts to only have 80 channels of HD when they could add another 100 more if they would drop the analog.

I believe ABB only kills analog off when they actually have to, like when there is not enough room to do money-making services.

They are acting like in Johnstown they are not going to kill analog any time soon which is bad quality in my opinion.

But like I said be careful analog is a catch-22 sometimes. Better quality but my buddy in Uniontown has DTA's on two TVs but HD boxes on the others and he can't even get all of his channels. Like he's supposed to get Me-TV and This at 110 & 112 and even though it's listed in the channel guide as "Limited Basic" the boxes refuse to tune in to them. I see that as being ripped off of channels. Why would you list channels as "Limited Basic" but not allow the "Limited Basic" DTAs boxes to actually tune them?

Also he has to pay like $12.99 for the HD boxes each, which I think is not a great price.

All of this because anything above Limited is encrypted for him.

I hope it's just him being on a 550MHZ system is the cause of the encryption since it would be hard to trap. I know folks who will not be happy being forced to uses DTAs cause they got like 4+ TVs and ABB's rates go up every year.

On a side note, my buddy swears that ABB "accidentally" unencryped the Value package in Miami, he said there is no way they would actually give you ClearQAM. I said how would they leave an entire video package unencrypted by accident?
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I believe ABB only kills analog off when they actually have to, like when there is not enough room to do money-making services.

They are acting like in Johnstown they are not going to kill analog any time soon which is bad quality in my opinion.

But like I said be careful analog is a catch-22 sometimes. Better quality but my buddy in Uniontown has DTA's on two TVs but HD boxes on the others and he can't even get all of his channels. Like he's supposed to get Me-TV and This at 110 & 112 and even though it's listed in the channel guide as "Limited Basic" the boxes refuse to tune in to them. I see that as being ripped off of channels. Why would you list channels as "Limited Basic" but not allow the "Limited Basic" DTAs boxes to actually tune them?

Also he has to pay like $12.99 for the HD boxes each, which I think is not a great price.

All of this because anything above Limited is encrypted for him.

I hope it's just him being on a 550MHZ system is the cause of the encryption since it would be hard to trap. I know folks who will not be happy being forced to uses DTAs cause they got like 4+ TVs and ABB's rates go up every year.

On a side note, my buddy swears that ABB "accidentally" unencryped the Value package in Miami, he said there is no way they would actually give you ClearQAM. I said how would they leave an entire video package unencrypted by accident?

They can complain about box fees all they want, what can they switch to without them? DirecTV and Dish have had boxes on all TV's for years. Cable is just catching up to satellite in that regard.

ABB prices are often really, really high.
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They can complain about box fees all they want, what can they switch to without them? DirecTV and Dish have had boxes on all TV's for years. Cable is just catching up to satellite in that regard.

ABB prices are often really, really high.

Yea that's the problem. I guess folks are just so used to no boxes with cable, kind of like a "spoiled"-condition.

My buddy does make me wonder, but I highly doubt the lack of encryption in Miami was by accident. If so that's one insane accident and concidence that it would include every channel, LoL.
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I am so ticked off right now with ABB. My bill just went up $20, and talking with both the sales and retention departments got me nowhere. So, I'm dropping down and giving up channels and a second HD box to keep my price down. They are offering new customers good deals but won't do anything for customers who have been paying every month for years. From what I was told today, a "triple play" Tivo Advantage plan will cost me $166 a month, which is $56 more than they are offering for new customers. Can that really be true? Has anyone here switched to a Tivo double play or triple play? What are you paying?

I'm also being told I will have to either buy or rent a new modem from ABB to do so. I can't find a list of modems that work with their Tivo service anywhere. Does anyone here know what modems work with ABB Tivo service? I guess I should just buy their modem (I was told $115 to purchase), but I'm wondering what other options there are.
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