Salt Lake City, UT - HDTV - Page 4 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #91 of 3753 Old 08-28-2004, 06:23 PM
Advanced Member
 
kpoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: salt lake city, ut
Posts: 640
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
i'm watching the pats/panthers game on cbs ota right now. the sound is only in dd 2.0. is this only me, or is it the same for everyone else as well?
kpoon is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #92 of 3753 Old 08-28-2004, 08:03 PM
Member
 
Kyle Richardson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Perry, Ut
Posts: 165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Its only in 2.0 for me as well with very quiet announcer volume
Kyle Richardson is offline  
post #93 of 3753 Old 08-29-2004, 08:44 PM
AVS Special Member
 
NVboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 2,918
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Being forced to watch the SD feed for the Olympic Closing Ceremonies is pretty anticlimactic. NBC really screwed up with their HD during the games. I hope they(corporate, not local) catch a lot of flack for it-more so than all the published articles already out there.

Suburbia: where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.
Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nvsteve/sets/
NVboy is offline  
post #94 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 09:38 AM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by NVboy
NBC really screwed up with their HD during the games.

How So?

I thought the HD content provided, with the exception of Last Thursday's audio problems, was quite good. My only gripe, which I have with ALL Corporate media coverage in general, was I don't really care what the USA is doing. I'm more interested in the competition.

I did get to see most of the track meet and swim/dive meet; prelims, semis and finals. I could have lived without the encore presentations and the IBC fluff. The pan shots of Greece were pretty SPECTACULAR in HD, IMHO.

Joe
joev is offline  
post #95 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 09:43 AM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Looks like Fox has their splicer up and running. I had the HD bug all weekend with Dolby 5.1.
joev is offline  
post #96 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 09:53 AM
AVS Special Member
 
NVboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 2,918
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by joev
How So?

1 day after the fact, which didn't bother me, and the lack of opening and closing ceremonies. I'd prefer seeing some of the other events, with other countries aside from the US as well. I'd imagine they would need multiple HD channels to cover everything though. Some day, maybe.

Suburbia: where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.
Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nvsteve/sets/
NVboy is offline  
post #97 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 10:38 AM
Senior Member
 
bakerzdosen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Utah
Posts: 437
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by joev
Looks like Fox has their splicer up and running. I had the HD bug all weekend with Dolby 5.1.

I'd heard they were close, so even though I didn't watch Fox at all this weekend, that's good to know. Did you post that to the big "Fox HD" thread?
bakerzdosen is offline  
post #98 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 11:59 AM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by bakerzdosen
Did you post that to the big "Fox HD" thread?

I wanted to but the link I had to the thread points me to an archive message now. I did post it to the Stations Broadcasting HDTV and 5.1 thread.

Joe
joev is offline  
post #99 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 12:34 PM
Senior Member
 
jedvik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: West Valley, UT
Posts: 434
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by NVboy
Being forced to watch the SD feed for the Olympic Closing Ceremonies is pretty anticlimactic. NBC really screwed up with their HD during the games. I hope they(corporate, not local) catch a lot of flack for it-more so than all the published articles already out there.

I agree. My wife & I watched the opening ceremonies in HD. After that we only watched the SD channel. It was hard enough to keep from hearing the results before the prime time coverage. Watching events a full day later in HD was not a good option.

Jeff
jedvik is offline  
post #100 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 02:14 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Kevin R. Anderson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Posts: 1,341
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I agree. As much as I enjoyed the HD, it was just too after the fact to be meaningful. If you're interested in the Olympics, you watched the SD broadcast because it was the most current. If you weren't real interested, the only event that merited delayed viewing in HD was women's beach volleyball ;-)

I also agree that it was very anti-climatic to see the Closing Ceremonies in SD.

ISF Certified
Kevin R. Anderson is offline  
post #101 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 03:16 PM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Even though the HD Olympic content was a day later, I had NO problem watching it knowing the results. After all, with a 9 hour delay you would have just as easily heard the results on the news or found them out online before the SD telecast. I'm sure some of you already knew the results before viewing.

Maybe I'm a bit conditioned because I have had to suffer through over 20 years of the Tour De France not being live here in the US. Yet I would tune in every Saturday or Sunday afternoon, late night when espn did the coverage, just to watch.

If I had my choice, I would have preferred LIVE HD coverage.

Joe
joev is offline  
post #102 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 03:55 PM
Member
 
Eurastus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Spanish Fork, Utah USA
Posts: 108
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Here, Here on the lack of TdF coverage for so many years. The only reason I signed up with DirecTV this year was for their OLN coverage of the Tour. However, I've been so used to HiDef over the past few years that the SD of OLN's coverage was almost painful to watch.

Maybe with Discovery being involved in the ex-Postal team next year, they'll have it on the DiscoveryHD channel, huh?

Hej på dej!!
Eurastus is offline  
post #103 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 04:06 PM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
TDF in HD would be a beautiful thing. I don't think it will happen unless the Societe does it. I think they are the ones who set up the official stream. ;(

Joe
joev is offline  
post #104 of 3753 Old 08-30-2004, 07:39 PM
Advanced Member
 
kpoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: salt lake city, ut
Posts: 640
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
. . . the only event that merited delayed viewing in HD was women's beach volleyball . . .

true. that's the only event that i made an effort to watch even though it was only in sd.
kpoon is offline  
post #105 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 08:30 AM
Member
 
bbartschi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Riverdale, Utah
Posts: 96
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Has anyone noticed strange things on 5-2 once the Olympics has finished?

I have noticed that 5-2 was now changed to 4:3 screen size with bars on the side instead of the normal 16:9 zoomed screen that it used to be (during sd broadcast). For example the first showing of the new program Hawaii was broadcast on 5-2 in 4:3 screen size with bars on the side and also in letter box format (bars on the top & bottom).

I am curious if they are going to a format similar to channels 2 & 4 where the high definition channel is shown in 4:3 format for sd and 16:9 for hd programs.

Anyone else have experiencing this or have a comment?
bbartschi is offline  
post #106 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 08:37 AM
Member
 
Eurastus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Spanish Fork, Utah USA
Posts: 108
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I also noticed the "poor" formatting of Hawaii last night. I was so hoping i would have been real full screen. As it was, I ended up tuning from 5.2 to 5.1 and using the TV's internal zoom to crop out the bars. I figured full screen SD was better than a tiny HD in the middle of the screen.

Hej på dej!!
Eurastus is offline  
post #107 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 08:40 AM
Member
 
krbennett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I noticed the same thing only not just bars on the sides, I had bars on top and bottom as well. Also, sound was pro-logic not 5.1. I got the exact same picture and sound on 5-01 (OTA), 5-02 (OTA) and DISH local channel feed. Seemed that the same feed was being broadcast on all subchannels, although there was the typical couple of seconds delay between 5-01 and 5-02.

Other HD channels had widescreen HD and 5.1 sound so I am pretty sure it is not my equipment, supported by the fact that others saw the same problem locally.

The intro to Hawaii had all kinds of HD and widescreen hype so it was obviously available in HD but something must have happened locally. If the small window they used was actually in HD, it sure wasn't very good HD.

This is probably the first time I tried channel 5 since the olympics so I can't say if it happened in conjuction with the olympics finishing, but could likely have something to do with it.
krbennett is offline  
post #108 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 08:47 AM
Member
 
krbennett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have noticed a few strange things while trying to get FOX. Maybe somebody has some insites as to what I am experiencing.

I get it on digital channel 28 really well every once in a while and sometimes it has actually been HD, widescreen, 5.1 sound and all (I think Malcom in the middle showed up once that way and there was a football game once). Usually I get a black screen (that appears to actually have a signal but no content on it) and a lower power signal and sometimes I get no signal at all.

For a while, it actually was showing up on channel 13-01 and/or 13-02 (instead of 28).

Is this something flakey on my DISH 811 or is it a broadcaster tinkering around with their system?

Thanks.
kb
krbennett is offline  
post #109 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 09:35 AM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I remember this happening before with another station when I lived in NYC. It was something on the station side that they needed to reset to get the full 16:9 back. Has anyone contacted NBC about this?

Quote:
Originally posted by krbennett
For a while, it actually was showing up on channel 13-01 and/or 13-02 (instead of 28).

Is this something flakey on my DISH 811 or is it a broadcaster tinkering around with their system?

Thanks.
kb

Do you get Fox from OTA or Dish? Fox has installed their splicer for HD. You should now be picking up network shows that are HD in HD if you are using OTA channel 13-2. I've just noticed that the signal has bi a bit finicky lately.

Joe
joev is offline  
post #110 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 02:03 PM
Member
 
krbennett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I can only use OTA for FOX. (as indicated above, very off and on, sometimes on 28 sometimes on 13-1 or 2)

I have seen some notices pop up on DISH that tell us to write our congressman and go to some website (have not done so yet) about getting HD for local feeds on the dish.

If that would prove more reliable, I wouldn't mind another $5 on the bill like I pay now for the SD feeds on locals.

Anybody know if reliablity and performace would be better if local HD were to be added to the DISH offerings (vs OTA).
krbennett is offline  
post #111 of 3753 Old 09-02-2004, 03:23 PM
Senior Member
 
bakerzdosen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Utah
Posts: 437
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
You know, a year ago, I would have been a very "Rah Rah" person for locals over the satellites. (DISH and DTV and whoever else wanted to join the fray.) However, since I have seen the light of how great the local broadcasts really are with just my cheap SS antenna mounted in the attic, I'm not so sure I'm as much of a believer. Franklly, since I figured out how to keep my antenna mounted correctly and not falling down ( ), dropouts have been MUCH less than my parent's DTV setup (which is pretty good to start out with.)

My point is this: I'm not so sure I think that HD over satellite for locals is such a good idea. They've got to put up more birds to support the bandwidth or somehow figure that one out with the ones they've got - which will probably cost $$ and be passed on to the subscriber - or reduce bandwidth which will reduce quality.

I mean, current ATSC stuff isn't perfect by any means. It has the same inherant flaws as other digital systems (IMHO - mainly delay in changing channels and occasional dropouts).

Yes, I'd like the option of watching Las Vegas in HD if I wanted to (I don't FWIW), yes I wish I had PSIP data for all the stations all the time, yes I wish USDTV would quit eating up bandwidth, and yes I wish I owned my own island in the Carribean and could still get my "local channels", but all of these issues (excluding the last one ) will be worked out over time.

I've been quite happy with my OTA setup, especially since all my digital subscriptions are paid for by those nice people called advertisers.

Now, with that said, I can see me using more channels than are available OTA (I still get our HOA provided Provo cable - which sucks for quality, eg. ESPN hasn't had audio for a day or two), but now that I've seen how good local OTA can be, I can't argue with how things are shaping up, meaning locals OTA and "other" national channels delivered by some other mechanism, be it digital cable, satellite, fibre, or some other means.

I'm looking forward adding FOX, WB (and ultimately UPN if they get their equipment up and running before ST:Enterprise gets killed off) to my "repertoire" of HD programming I watch OTA.

[/soapbox]
bakerzdosen is offline  
post #112 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 07:42 AM
Member
 
bbartschi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Riverdale, Utah
Posts: 96
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
In response to what bakerzdosen had to say I agree on some of his comments but he needs to understand that the OTA signals only travel so far. There are many people out there who are far enough away from the towers so as not to get the OTA HD signals or in a geographically challenged area (i.e. behind a mountain or in a hole) without taking extreme measures with an antenna tower and an antenna the size of a 747. And what about the areas that get the local channels through a translator station, should they suffer just because of there location.

I think that local channels in HD by satellite are a good thing for a number of reasons.
bbartschi is offline  
post #113 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 11:08 AM
Senior Member
 
bakerzdosen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Utah
Posts: 437
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:


Originally posted by bbartschi
In response to what bakerzdosen had to say I agree on some of his comments but he needs to understand that the OTA signals only travel so far. There are many people out there who are far enough away from the towers so as not to get the OTA HD signals or in a geographically challenged area (i.e. behind a mountain or in a hole) without taking extreme measures with an antenna tower and an antenna the size of a 747. And what about the areas that get the local channels through a translator station, should they suffer just because of there location.

I think that local channels in HD by satellite are a good thing for a number of reasons.

What???? There are other people in the world BESIDES ME??? My mom kept mentioning something about that while I was growing up years ago, but seriously, who knew?

The other thing I forgot to add is that OTA coverage is quite good along the Wasatch Front due to the altitude/location of the transmitters. Go read pretty much any city's OTA thread out there and people are just really miffed at reception - much moreso than SLC area.

But I do understand that not everyone is as incredibly "lucky" as I am getting very acceptable levels of all SLC digital channels at 45+ miles out on a $20 antenna the size of a notebook. I guess should have summarized with "things will (should?) only get better for OTA HD, but IMHO, they're really better than average now."

Agreed on the antenna thing. A tower with something like a CM3020 isn't an option for me either.

I guess it's just the physics of the matter that keep slapping me around. HD locals are TOUGH on any national level. There just isn't enough bandwidth. Great concept. Hard to execute.

Side note: I would have liked to have seen the Utah game in HD last night though...
bakerzdosen is offline  
post #114 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 11:53 AM
Member
 
Eurastus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Spanish Fork, Utah USA
Posts: 108
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I'll have to agree with bakerzdosen on this one. SLC has one of the best HD setups in the country, with only one channel (24) that's not at least DTV. I live 56 miles from the transmitters and get every channel, even 13.x, wonderfully with a RatShack antenna mounted in the attic. Seems like we've got it pretty good here...

Hej på dej!!
Eurastus is offline  
post #115 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 12:02 PM
Member
 
jkh43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Utah
Posts: 50
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:


Originally posted by bakerzdosen

Side note: I would have liked to have seen the Utah game in HD last night though...

I watched most of the game in high-def last night and it was beautiful! I had to watch it at my dad's house as I only have OTA HDTV, but he has the Dish HD PVR which is pretty cool (I just hope the prices come down).

Now the dilemea, watch the BYU game in the comfort of my own house on my 100" screen in SD, or go to my parents house and watch it on his 80" screen in HD?

I am so excited to see local college football in HD, I think if BYU/Utah fans were to watch one of the games on a large screen in HD there would be a few more people out looking to buy HD sets.

I just hope the BYU game has the same outcome as the Utah one.
jkh43 is online now  
post #116 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 12:15 PM
AVS Special Member
 
mike greer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Riverton, Utah, USA
Posts: 1,245
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Does anyone know what the breakup of the bandwidth for KSL is?

The reason I ask is 2 or 3 times during the Olympics I checked out their delayed HD but only watched for a few minutes - the picture looked as if it were starved for bandwidth. The runners legs were jumbled up little squares of mush. This wasn't just during one night but a few nights over about a week. I just couldn't stand to watch it.

Was something else going on? I can't imagine watching a basketball or football game like that - you wouldn't be able to see what was going on.

Just curious!
mike greer is offline  
post #117 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 01:15 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
Timpanogos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 843
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Is channel 13 KSTU up to full HDTV power yet?
Timpanogos is offline  
post #118 of 3753 Old 09-03-2004, 04:15 PM
Senior Member
 
joev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Forest Hills, NY
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I've been looking at possibly buying a condo. I know that federal law says I can put up an antenna or dish on my balcony/patio. I had a building manager tell me that UT law says I can put an antenna on any building roof top even if the HOA objects.

I cannot find any info on this. Can anyone confirm, deny or point me in the right direction?

Thanks
Joe
joev is offline  
post #119 of 3753 Old 09-04-2004, 07:56 AM
AVS Special Member
 
kenglish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Posts: 5,409
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 31
KSL-DT is running 15.0 MBps on HDTV and 3.3 MBps on SDTV.

The new format for upconverted SD>HD is on purpose....it keeps us from cutting off the phone numbers, and gives a better picture when the scan converters aren't having to do so much math.

The Olympics were converted from 1080i/50 to 1080i/59.97 before leaving Athens.....we saw a lot of motion artifacts and scan conversion artifacts. Don't know how NBC will do it all in HD in Torino, since most of the world wants 50 Hz.

As for translators, new rules are in the works for DTV Translators (several are already on the air in test mode)....... unfortunately some Counties are in favor of shutting them all off to save money. Looks like many people are going to need $atellite, if that happens. Or, at least (in town) Cable.

Ken English, Sr. Engineer, KSL-TV.
"The postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent the Company positions, strategies or opinions."
kenglish is offline  
post #120 of 3753 Old 09-04-2004, 04:06 PM
Senior Member
 
ErikS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: UT
Posts: 333
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
joev,
Try this FCC link
I'm not sure of Utah specific law but if you have problems with a HOA just show them this and that should be the end of it.
ErikS is offline  
Reply Local HDTV Info and Reception

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off