Originally Posted by worachj
I just forced a connection to the TiVo service to get any updates. My TiVo premiere is still messed up. All the channels are mapped to the correct number but 9.3 & 9.4 have bad guide data. My guide has bounce on 9.3 when it should be 9.4. Guide data on 9.4 is the same as 9.2 which is wrong. So this is what I have.
9.1 RF29 WFTCDT2 correct guide data
9.2 RF29 WFTCDT correct guide data
9.3 RF29 WFTCDT3 BAD guide data
9.4 RF9 KMSPDT2 BAD guide data
9.9 RF9 KMSPT correct guide data
Last night I sent TiVo another message trying to correct the problem. As stated by "veedon" they are hung up on having the same call letters for a frequency when in fact two different stations are sharing the same frequencies. That's why all the RF29's are WFTCD and RF9's are KMSPT.
The call letters should be changed! Instead of KMSPDT2 it should be BOUNCE, etc.
Hey, how does "multiquote" work in this forum? Is there an explanation somewhere?
Yeah, virtual channel numbers, subchannels, and simulcasting introduce complexities that were not present in the good old days of analog broadcasting.
That's the price you pay for technological advances, I guess.
This might just be semantics, but it's not so much that two different stations are sharing a frequency as it is that one station is simulcasting another station's main feed.
The station known as KMSP is broadcasting two feeds (or subchannels or whatever you want to call them) on its assigned allocation RF9. Those two feeds show up on your TV as 9-4 (Bounce) and 9-9 (FOX9). Notice that Tivo uses a channel label of KMSPDT1 (or something like that) for 9-9 because Tivo regards that "FOX9" feed as the primary subchannel of the channel RF9. And KMSPDT2 is the other subchannel of RF9, carrying BOUNCE. BOUNCE is not a station; it is a diginet that the station KMSP has chosen to carry as a subchannel of its RF9 channel.
According to rabbitears.info, RF9 is also carrying one additional subchannel, a mobile DTV subchannel that is (I guess) essentially a mobile DTV simulcast of the main FOX9 feed. Apparently that mobile DTV subchannel has virtual channel number 9-1, but you would only see it if you have a mobile DTV device. (Intersetingly, 9-1 is also the virtual channel number for the "FOX9" subchannel of WFTC's RF29 channel.)
The station known as WFTC is broadcasting three feeds on its RF29 allocation. The fact that one of those feeds happens to be a simulcast of the main "FOX9" KMSP feed that is on RF9 does not make that subchannel any less of a RF29 subchannel. The RF29 station WFTC has decided to allow "FOX9" to be simulcast on one of its subchannels, the subchannel that Tivo labels as WFTCDT2. In fact, it has even granted FOX9 top virtual billing as 9-1, even though WFTC itself is a MyTV affiliate, not a FOX affiliate.
It seems to me that TiVo has a one-RF-allocation-per-station mindset in its channel labeling, and the two stations, KMSP and WFTC, are the ones who have made a marketing decision to downplay the RF29 number that WFTC was allocated and instead to have TV sets show everything as being 9-something. (Perhaps the 9-9 designation is supposed to provide extra emphasis that that is "Fox9" on its true home, RF9, as opposed to the 9-1 simulcast on RF29) I suspect that for many OTA viewers, everything will show up just fine on the TV set and they won't even know which RF it is coming from. But people with DVR's may have some figuring things out to do.