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For what it's worth, WPT is available off-air in Prairie du Chein via the Bloomington translator. Can't help you out with the other stations, but I've checked WPT reception in several places along HWY 35 right in town, and had solid reception with a simple 4 bay bowtie antenna @ 15'.

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At 2:10PM today, W50DR went on the air, from an antenna that is about 606 meters above sea level. Side mounted, the antenna is on the Wisconsin-side leg of the WXOW tower.
I am getting traces of it in Kasson, MN and it is at 15kW ERP, so it should get out well with decent LOS.
Rescan to get channels 10.1, 10.2

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Awesome. Since I can almost see the WXOW tower from my house I'm hoping for good reception.

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Awesome. Since I can almost see the WXOW tower from my house I'm hoping for good reception.

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I was watching KTTC news at noon today via W67CH, when they explained that W50DR has come online. HOORAY!! I rescanned immediately, and yes there it is! 10.1 is the HD KTTC/NBC signal, and 10.2 is CW (redundant with WXOW's 19.2).

Sunday Night Football will be a treat this week!

I'm a bit surprised that W67CH is still online today alongside W50DR, I assume W67CH will disappear shortly?
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W50DR is coming in at 90-95%.
I can even get in on my office TV (inside antenna)

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W50DR is coming in at 90-95%.
I can even get in on my office TV (inside antenna)

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Cool!

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WFXS (Wittenberg-Wausau) has added Retro TV Network (RTV) on channel 55.3. The station continues to carry FOX on 55.1 and Untamed Sports TV on 55.2. (9/11/2009)

I really wish one of the La Crosse stations would pick up Retro TV as a subchannel. I really don't see the point of KTTC and WXOW both broadcasting the CW and WLAX just rebroadcasting it's HD channel in SD.
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I really wish one of the La Crosse stations would pick up Retro TV as a subchannel. I really don't see the point of KTTC and WXOW both broadcasting the CW and WLAX just rebroadcasting it's HD channel in SD.

As Trip said, WXOW carries CW for LAX and KTTC for the Rochester/Austin/Mason City market. The LAX translator (W50DR) for KTTC, just picks up KTTC-DT-10 OTA and effectively repeats it, so they have no way of controlling the programing on it independently...)

That said, WLAX would be a great place to put it, other then the fact that many cable head-ends probably use 25.2 for the SD feed to their clients...

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As Trip said, WXOW carries CW for LAX and KTTC for the Rochester/Austin/Mason City market. The LAX translator (W50DR) for KTTC, just picks up KTTC-DT-10 OTA and effectively repeats it, so they have no way of controlling the programing on it independently...)

That said, WLAX would be a great place to put it, other then the fact that many cable head-ends probably use 25.2 for the SD feed to their clients...

That's true, but now that the W50DR repeater is operational to carry CW for the La Crosse market, you would think that there would be little incentive for WXOW to carry it anymore. After all, WXOW is listed as one of the RetroTV affiliates:

http://www.myretrotv.com/affiliates.html

Also, what prevents one of these stations from carrying 2 sub channels like WPT does?

Anyway, I just read about W50DR coming online today and I was surprised to find that I get very good reception (despite what TVFool led me to expect). I guess I get to try to sell the VHF antenna I bought for KTTC now.

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That's true, but now that the W50DR repeater is operational to carry CW for the La Crosse market, you would think that there would be little incentive for WXOW to carry it anymore.

You have to think big picture here. W50DR is designed to cover the immediate LaCrosse, WI area, whereas WXOW is designed to cover the entire market area. There's a big difference. I'd also think that WXOW's CW is picked up by local analog cable, etc.. (Signal Hill CW [10.2] is on analog cable here in Rochester). Most people are probably going to watch their local network affiliate unless they have reason to do otherwise (picture quality, programming) so I don't know that 19.2 is going to loose a lot of viewers as 10.2 becomes available to the LaCrosse audience.


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You have to think big picture here. W50DR is designed to cover the immediate LaCrosse, WI area, whereas WXOW is designed to cover the entire market area.

Yeah, but W50DR is a lot different than W67CH used to be in terms of coverage. It's more than just the immediate La Crosse, WI area now.

Before:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=TX145104.html

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http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...LD1256301.html

I see your point though. It's not the entire coverage area, but it's pretty significant coverage.
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Wow... that is quite a difference in coverage.

I guess my point is, cable/satellite carriage and people watching the locals rather than translators is probably more of a factor than actual OTA coverage.


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Now that I'm getting W50DR so well, I'm wondering if I'll even be able to get KQEG once it goes digital.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=72207

Does anyone know when that's scheduled to happen?
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Also keep in mind that W50DR is a translator. It exists primarily to fill in the hole for NBC programming left by WEAU being so far away. The cheapest way to operate it, considering it cannot be carried by local cable and is thus feeding only OTA viewers, is to feed the exact same signal that KTTC feeds. Doing anything to modify that signal requires a whole extra set of gear.

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Wow... that is quite a difference in coverage.

I guess my point is, cable/satellite carriage and people watching the locals rather than translators is probably more of a factor than actual OTA coverage.

Yeah, I often forget that WEAU is the "local" NBC affiliate for cable/satellite here. It seems so strange to have a local channel from Eau Claire when it's so far away and KTTC is what's broadcast OTA.
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Yeah, I often forget that WEAU is the "local" NBC affiliate for cable/satellite here. It seems so strange to have a local channel from Eau Claire when it's so far away and KTTC is what's broadcast OTA.

Remember that well the WEAU tower favors the Eau Claire side of the market, it is in between LAX and Eau Claire. It is not impossible for MOST people to receive it in either city. But in La Crosse it takes a pretty decent VHF-HI antenna/amp...

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I'm confused about the call letters for KTTC's digital translator in La Crosse. The channel reports itself as W50DR, but isn't this it's entry in the FCC database, still listed as W67CH? http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=W67CH

I also noticed that the TitanTV web site didn't know about W50DR, but did list a W67CH-D.
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I'm confused about the call letters for KTTC's digital translator in La Crosse. The channel reports itself as W50DR, but isn't this it's entry in the FCC database, still listed as W67CH? http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=W67CH

I also noticed that the TitanTV web site didn't know about W50DR, but did list a W67CH-D.

It will take a while for the FCC database to get updated. I do not know how long, but I am guessing that Trip will be along any second with a better estimate....

As to TitanTV, lots of emails is usually what it takes...

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Now that I'm getting W50DR so well, I'm wondering if I'll even be able to get KQEG once it goes digital.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=72207

Does anyone know when that's scheduled to happen?

FWIW, I sent KQEG an email and they got back to me. As of right now, it sounds like their transition to digital hasn't gotten any farther then getting the FCC permit which looks like it is only a couple of months old. I'm really hoping that they move ahead with it soon. Like with W50DR, it looks like they will be significantly increasing their broadcast range. I'm looking forward to Reno911! syndication and midnight movies if I can manage to receive it.
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OK, I talked with Mediacom yesterday and they still have no idea when they will transmit FOX 25/48 in HD on their system and I am ready to experiment with a long-range UHF antenna with preamp and see if I can receive the signal off the air here in Prairie du Chien.

Before I do that, I'd like to ask a basic question to confirm: FOX 25/48 does transmit their signal (specifically the Packers) in HD over the air, correct?

Thanks in advance to your responses....
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OK, I talked with Mediacom yesterday and they still have no idea when they will transmit FOX 25/48 in HD on their system and I am ready to experiment with a long-range UHF antenna with preamp and see if I can receive the signal off the air here in Prairie du Chien.

Before I do that, I'd like to ask a basic question to confirm: FOX 25/48 does transmit their signal (specifically the Packers) in HD over the air, correct?

Thanks in advance to your responses....

Yes, WLAX does transmit the NFL in HD and does favor Packers games over Vikings games in the same time slot *shakes fist*.

I worry that you may have a really hard time getting WLAX down in the valley there. Thankfully, you probably have a long shot over the river valley before hitting the Iowa bluffs though. You might want to drive around town looking for any newer-looking fringe antennas on people's roofs to get an idea of what others might be using.

Edit: Actually, tvfool.com seems to think that you should not have too hard of a time getting WLAX with a good antenna and booster.
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Best antenna for WLAX and WHLA is the Winegard HD-8800. It has more gain in the lower UHF channels (especially at RF-17) then the 91XG. It will be a bit (2-4dB) weaker at WXOW (RF-48) but if WLAX is what you are after, you will want every bit of gain on RF-17 that you can get. That the Winegard HD-8800 is....

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I'll second the HD-8800. Just get that antenna mounted as high as possible down in the valley.

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Would a corner reflector style of antenna work better than a bowtie?
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Would a corner reflector style of antenna work better than a bowtie?

It depends on how it was engineered. The Winegard HD-8800 is the best signal consumer antenna for UHF channels below RF-30. I like the Antenna Direct 91XG better for channels above RF-35.

I live in Kasson, MN and get WHLA, WXOW, and WLAX off a 91XG with CM7777 pre-amp very well day and night, but I up high in the air. For the Twin Cities, I switched out a 91XG for a HD-8800 and the lower UHF channels improved a bit while KSTC-DT-45 went down a bit...

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W67CH, the analog KTTC translator station in La Crosse, is off the air as of tonight, Wed. November 4 2009. It was still on the air as of this morning.

Anyone happen to be able to confirm that this is the permanent end of W67CH, having been replaced with digital translator station W50DR?

Otherwise I'll just keep checking channel 67 for a while in case it reappears.
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