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post #6181 of 6190 Old 12-03-2015, 05:38 AM
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Question What Is The Best Indoor Outdoor Atenna Under $40

I live in Houston TX I get most channels I am trying to get just one more channel I am currently using this radio shack antenna catalog #: 1500246

Antenna is facing south it is infront of a window what is the best indoor outdoor antenna under $40?
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Antenna tip is 7.5ft high
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Go to TVFool, put in your address and see what stations you are able to pick up. Then post that information, without your address, to the HDTV Local forum that is specific to your area and see what the folks there are using for antennas. Indoor antennas can be problematic because they are indoors and subject to more interference than an antenna installed outdoors, preferably 30'AGL.
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Sooooo.....you must be within 5-8 miles from the Houston Transmitter Group located just outside the Sam Houston Parkway on the S-E Side.....which means you should AVOID using Amplified Antennas. We REALLY need to see your TVFool Report [after entering your location, copy/past RESULTS ADDRESS (URL) from top of browser into a post here]. Also let us know WHICH Station(s) you are NOT getting [one of them is low power located downtown]. And describe your surroundings: do the signals simply come in via a Window with a fairly unobstructed view of the Towers, or does it have to pass through YOUR building....and perhaps numerous buildings surrounding you....

BTW: I summarized various side-by-side tests of various Indoor Antennas HERE:
I'm still using rabbits ear antenna for my HDTV, need better stronger Antenna signal
Note that Post#22 is a link to EV's Excellent Test of dozens of Indoor (and some Outdoor Antennas Indoors)...unfortunately no longer being updated.

There are very few inexpensive INDOOR Antennas that provide significant Front/Back Ratio to suppress Multipath Reflections from the rear. Unfortunately, the Terk HDTVi cited in the tests above is no longer available....although the Amplified HDTVa version still is:
http://imageevent.com/holl_ands/zigz...llpdaterkhdtvi
Note that SWR is Excessive in Hi-VHF Band (just like ALL other "TOO-SMALL" UHF Antennas), it provides significantly MORE Raw Gain than Rabbit-Ears on Ch7-13.

Since Unamplified Terk HDTVi is no longer available (maybe on eBay???), the fol. [and Antenna's Direct C1] is about all that is available with significant F/B Ratio for under $40. Although I have analyzed DOZENS of OPTIMIZED LPDA's, I have NOT yet analyzed the fol. Supersonic 5-El Pair LPDA...but would guesstimate that it provides Raw Gain of about 5 dBi (vs 6-7 dBi for Terk HDTVi):
http://www.amazon.com/Supersonic-SC6.../dp/B003IN0GRI
For comparison I DID Optimize and Analylze the fol. DIY 4-El Pair LPDA which OUT-PERFORMS the HDTVi/a...and although SWR is Excessive in Hi-VHF Band, it provides as much Raw Gain as Rabbit-Ears in Hi-VHF Band:
http://imageevent.com/holl_ands/zigz...4elflatlpdaopt

Specs for A-D C1:
https://www.antennasdirect.com/cmss_...ecSheet_C1.pdf

Since Hi-VHF (Ch7-13) performance for this (and many FLAT Antennas) may or may NOT not be enough in your location, you might need to combine it with simple NON-Amplified Rabbit-Ears [which you already own] via a low cost VHF/UHF Combiner (e.g. Radio Shack, Antennas Direct and UVSJ from Pico-Macom or Holland).

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The Terk HDTVa is now called LOGTVa and is still sold at HHG and Fry's. You can remove the amp if it is not needed. It is a good indoor antenna and has rabbit ears for VHF. And Fry's recently had the Clearstream 1 on clearance sale for around $13.99 and it is also a good indoor antenna, but not sure if it is as good for VHF. And some folks have good luck with Mohu Leaf or Winegard Flatwave, but these thin flat panels are pricey and may be problematic based upon location. But the Mohu lets you remove the amp if not needed.
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Lowest price I found for Amplified Terk LOGTVa is $50 from Amazon, so the addition of the AMP resulted in it exceeding the OP's price cap....
BTW, whenever I see a Brandname change, I immediately suspect that design has somehow CHANGED....it's probably from a DIFFERENT (usually Chinese) supplier, so to avoid trademark infringement, the Brandname for the NEW, probably DIFFERENT design must also be changed....

PS: I'm ordering the very inexpensive Supersonic 5-El Pair LPDA and will model it when it arrives in the next few days...IF it is an OPTIMIZED design, as I suspect it MIGHT be, it COULD outperform the Terk 7-el Pair HDTVi (and similar Silver Sensor 7-El Pair LPDA) in the UHF Band.....

If you have somewhere you can HIDE it (behind curtains or in a convenient closet), I have had great success using OUTDOOR Antennas INDOORS [incl. 4-Bays way, way back when I lived in an apartment and my current 8-Bay in an upstairs closet].

Although I haven't (yet) modeled it, the fol. 2-Bay Bowtie is inexpensive and uses the usual cylindrical Transformer Balun, so "sufficiently" strong Hi-VHF signals will ALSO be passed without any further degradation (SWR will be still be excessive, which may or may NOT be an issue). Despite this, a separate Hi-VHF Antenna (e.g. your existing Rabbit-Ears) MAY need to be added via a VHF/UHF Combiner:
http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Aspen-EA...=2-bay+antenna
However I suspect that it is ONE-HALF of a KLONE of the OLD DB-2 [about 13"Hx19"W], which is TOO SMALL for either UHF or Hi-VHF Bands, so YMMV:
http://imageevent.com/holl_ands/mult...refl/addb2refl

Xtreme Signal HDB2X 2-Bay Bowtie is apparently larger [16.5"x32"W], which is just what we're looking for, although I have not (yet) seen any dimensions from which a model could be constructed. Gain Specs are in the fol. post....I'm pretty sure it's 7.7 dBd = 9.0 dBi. Note that it uses a Printed Circuit Board (PCB) Balun Box, which is NOT designed to pass whatever Hi-VHF signals are received by the Antenna....so a separate Hi-VHF Antenna (e.g. your existing Rabbit-Ears) MAY (or may NOT) need to be added via a VHF/UHF Combiner....although personally I would first hack the antenna, replacing the PCB Box with the usual Cylindrical Transformer Balun to see if that provides "sufficient" Hi-VHF performance:
http://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Signal-...=2-bay+antenna
MAY be Close to my OPTIMIZED DIY 2-Bay Bowtie designs:
http://imageevent.com/holl_ands/multibay/2bayrefl

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Hello friends,

I hope you are doing well. I am located on a wooded lot in Cypress, TX, The next home is a couple of acres away.

Here is my TV fool report

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...5134b4827ae1e3

Any suggestions on which antenna would work best?

I can place it indoors or outdoors. I will get a satellite service provider, e.g DISH in due time, but till then, I would like an antenna as I have some guests at my place and they are missing some OTA shows.

Thank you so much,
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