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post #271 of 11897 Old 12-16-2004, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by redvette
I hope they have this problem fixed in time for the 24 premiere...

Is 24 the only FOX show you care about? There's a lot of time (and NFL games) between now and the 24 premiere. I, for one, want it to be fixed before this Saturday.

And, by the way, I see that it is working tonight. Cool.
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Originally posted by UMDMatt
Is WOW cable any good? I've been debating between Brighthouse and WOW (which I think I can get here in Livonia). I'm not interested in digital cable necessarily, just hi-speed internet and basic cable-- with the added bonus of any unscrambled HD channel my set's internal QAM tuner can decode. The prices seem good, what about the quality of the service?
I'd really appreciate some input because as good as OTA HD is, it's really killing me to miss Pistons games on FSN, ESPN, TNT, etc.

THANKS

I have WOW and I do not receive any unscrambled HD via my QAM/ATSC tuners. It is all encrypted. In order to get any HD through WOW they required me to subscribe to HD and pay the $15 a month for the locals only (I currently only subscribe to basic cable and mid-range internet package, no digital except for HD now). The ESPNHD and DISCHD, etc are all ac=vailable ala carte and cost extra. The CSRs with WOW are ridiculous, I had to call three times before anyone would even let me subscribe to HD without subscribing to the Basic Digital package.
A little story just so you know what you'll be dealing with. When the Tech arrived to install my HD STB, which by the way they insisted that I need even though I have built in tuners, he said I was going to be getting all the STARZ channels as well for free (some promotion or something). Well, he hooked it all up and showed me what I was getting. I noticed that I was now receiveing all the basic digital (with STARZ) as well as the local HD's (HD is all I wanted and all I was going to pay for). He then prceeded to tell me that the U-M game that day would be in high def because they authorize it to be sent that way, what? He proved it by showing me the 1080i symbol in the corner of the screen and said, "see it in 1080i". ABC broadcasts HD in 720p but I just went along with him. Anyhow, a few days later I went in the basement where I had an analog box hooked up to my TV there. Nothing. Just a blue screen telling me that I am not authorized to receive this channel (ABC). I call WOW and they try a few things having me turn the box on and off and back on again and again. Still nothing but the blue screen. I was then transferred to someone else who checked a few more things out and had me turn it on again. Voila, it worked. I asked if everything with my HD was still good and he said, "sure, why wouldn't it be?". Well, I don't know, maybe because when the HD was hooked up my analog got screwed up? I took his word for it and hung up. I'm sure you can guess what happened next. Well, not that bad. When I checked my tv with the HD box on it, the HD was still there but no more basic digital. Not a big deal, I didn't think I was paying for it anyway. I just had to explain to my wife why we were'nt getting those channels anymore.
That went entirely longer than I thought it would. Just wanted to let you know what you were dealing with with WOW. I've tried addressing the whole encrypting of HD locals thing being against FCC rules but they won't listen. Take all this for what it's worth. They do have very good pricing though. Can't complain there. I'd be curious to know if you decide to go with WOW what they tell you.
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Thanks GoBlue97!

Really the only reason I'd go with WOW is because I could Hi-speed internet and Cable for like 70 bucks a month. Unscrambled HD would just be icing on the cake as I get all the locals via OTA. Your problems with customer service seem like par for the course. I never expect much!

After reading your story, I bet getting a CableCard working through them would be even more of a nightmare.

How would you rate analog picture quality or high speed internet?
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Thanks GoBlue97!

Really the only reason I'd go with WOW is because I could Hi-speed internet and Cable for like 70 bucks a month. Unscrambled HD would just be icing on the cake as I get all the locals via OTA. Your problems with customer service seem like par for the course. I never expect much!

After reading your story, I bet getting a CableCard working through them would be even more of a nightmare.

How would you rate analog picture quality or high speed internet?

I've asked WOW about the cablecard and they don't know if that is a technology they are willing to pursue yet. Not sure why not, with all the cablecard ready TV's now. I would say that the analog picture was just fine until I saw HD. Now I have a hard time watching anything but HD. The Internet has been what I would consider above average. Very few outages and you really can't beat the price. As always, all this is dependent on good cabling in your home.
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That's about how I expected WOW to respond to a CableCard question. It's especially funny because I believe they are required to supply CableCards if requested. Anybody with a link to the legislation on this one?
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Originally posted by tbb1226
Is 24 the only FOX show you care about? There's a lot of time (and NFL games) between now and the 24 premiere. I, for one, want it to be fixed before this Saturday.

And, by the way, I see that it is working tonight. Cool.


No, there once was this Fox show called "The Detroit Lions" that I used to care about, but now it sucks
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WXYZ-DT Viewers,

Please be advised that we are aware of the intermittent audio issue at WXYZ. We are currently working with various manufacturers and cable companies to find a solution. Extensive planning and testing is ongoing. Late next week, with vendor cooperation, changes will be made in an effort to alleviate this situation.

Regards,

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Thanks for your statement, Demetri. It's good to know that our plight is not being ignored.
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Yes, Thank you Demetri. It is great to finally hear that the problem is being looked into and that hopefully a solution can be implemented. As much as I like some of the ABC shows it was almost impossible to watch them sometimes!
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Originally posted by Demetri Kraniak
WXYZ-DT Viewers,

Please be advised that we are aware of the intermittent audio issue at WXYZ. We are currently working with various manufacturers and cable companies to find a solution. Extensive planning and testing is ongoing. Late next week, with vendor cooperation, changes will be made in an effort to alleviate this situation.

Regards,

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Engineering Supervisor

WOW! It's really great to hear something from someone! We really appreciate you work on this. I'm gonna watch a few more ABC shows just to thank you .
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Originally posted by UMDMatt
That's about how I expected WOW to respond to a CableCard question. It's especially funny because I believe they are required to supply CableCards if requested. Anybody with a link to the legislation on this one?

No, they are not required by law to provide them since they fall into the small cable company area. WOW does have plans to provide them, supposedly in Jan. But they are not in a huge rush since they have a small subscriber base with very few requests to make a purchase large enough to make.
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WOW! It's really great to hear something from someone! We really appreciate you work on this. I'm gonna watch a few more ABC shows just to thank you .

But not these lame programs you're airing tonight, though
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I asked this question here a while back and don't think anyone answered then, so I'll try again:

Can anyone confirm by experience that WDIV-DT is transmitting DD5.1 with their network programming? I have read that they have the capability, and that NBC was sending 5.1 with their programs, but I've never seen DD indicated on my AVR, or heard any discrete rear sound effects from WDIV on any program. All other channels with DD work as expected with my hardware.
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They did the first couple nights it was broadcast but it was all screwed up - no sound, wrong sound, etc.

I remember Ken H was looking into it and he came back and said it should be all taken care of. And yes, we finally did get sound now but it was only 2.0 and that is all it has been ever since then.

Not sure if they have an equipment compatibilty issue or what but I was also wondering what had happened. Maybe Ken has more info on it. I know when it did work a couple times it sounded great so it certainly would be nice to get it back!
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Hello! I'm compiling a digital channel list and I need someone to verify my list for Detroit. This list is only for channels that are possibly viewable in the Flint / Saginaw / Bay City DMA.

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id      calls   analog  digital subchannel      network resolution      audio   comment on_air
18      wjbk    2       58      1       fox     720p    dd5.1   Analog Simulcast / FOX HDTV     Y
19      wjbk    2       58      2       fox     480i    dd2.0   Analog Simulcast        Y
20      wdiv    4       45      1       nbc     1080i   dd5.1   Analog Simulcast / NBC HDTV     Y
21      wdiv    4       45      2       nbc     480i    dd2.0   Doppler Radar   Y
22      wdiv    4       45      3       nbc     480i    dd2.0   Detroit Riverfront      Y
23      wxyz    7       41      1       abc     720p    dd5.1   Analog Simulcast / ABC HDTV     Y
24      wxyz    7       41      2       abc     480i    dd2.0   Doppler Radar   Y
25      wxyz    7       41      3       abc     480i    dd2.0   ABC News Now    Y
26      wdwb    20      21      1       wb      1080i   dd2.0   Analog Simulcast / WB HDTV      Y
27      wdwb    20      21      2       wb      480i    dd2.0   Analog Simulcast        Y
28      wpxd    31      33      1       pax     480i    dd2.0           N
29      wadl    38      39      1       ind     480i    dd2.0   Analog Simulcast        Y
30      wkbd    50      14      1       upn     1080i   dd2.0   Analog Simulcast / UPN HDTV     Y
31      wtvs    56      43      1       pbs     1080i   dd5.1   PBS HDTV        Y
32      wtvs    56      43      2       pbs     480i    dd2.0   Analog Simulcast        Y
33      wwj     62      44      1       cbs     1080i   dd5.1   Analog Simulcast / CBS HDTV     Y
Please respond with any additions or corrections either here, via PM or e-mail. Thanks!

WNEM CBS 5 and WSMH FOX 66 are evil.
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I did some checking with TitanTV and it says that WDIV 4-3 and WDWB 20-2 are off the air. I thought WADL multicasted, but there's nothing there according to TitanTV.

I'd still like it if someone could check this list over.

WNEM CBS 5 and WSMH FOX 66 are evil.
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4-3 is off the air, and 4-2 is the riverfront cam, not the weather radar channel - at least for now.

20-2 is broadcasting a 480i 4:3 simulcast of analog WDWB. As of this moment it is still on the air.

WADL broadcasts 2 480i 4:3 digital channels, both with infomercials and evangelism TV.
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Originally posted by Demetri Kraniak
WXYZ-DT Viewers,

Please be advised that we are aware of the intermittent audio issue at WXYZ. We are currently working with various manufacturers and cable companies to find a solution. Extensive planning and testing is ongoing. Late next week, with vendor cooperation, changes will be made in an effort to alleviate this situation.

Regards,

Demetri Kraniak
Engineering Supervisor


A thank you from me as well, Demetri. We were getting concerned that no one was paying attention. This is great, knowing that you are working on it. I think we're all confident that with the effort you're making the problem will be resolved.

Thanks again

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Thanks for the info!

About WADL: Does the evangelism channel (38-2) have any sort of network affiliation like FamilyNet, Worship or Faith?

WNEM CBS 5 and WSMH FOX 66 are evil.
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I'm watching MNF and drop outs are really bad. I dont watch any thing else on ABC is this worse then normal?
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I'm watching MNF and drop outs are really bad. I dont watch any thing else on ABC is this worse then normal?

Been happening on Lost as well for the past 3 weeks.

I'm watching the game too and yes, it seems worse than usual.
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I'm watching MNF and drop outs are really bad. I dont watch any thing else on ABC is this worse then normal?

Tonight was bad, I turned it off by 9:30.
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Let's not forget, folks!
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Extensive planning and testing is ongoing. Late [this] week, with vendor cooperation, changes will be made in an effort to alleviate this situation.

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What are you guys using to watch ABC (WXYZ-7) , I have a E* 811 and a Samy-165 for OTA only, on on both I get none of these problems, and on a side note, if Frank Turner gets any bigger they will need to go to 16x9 just to see him in the screen, he fills up the 4x3 quite easy.
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I have a Comcast 6208, and like I said it was practically unwatchable.
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I did npt experience any dropouts in MNF last night. In fact, the audio presentation seemed better than I remember and the video was rock solid.

Sony 34XS955 with internal tuner via attic-installed Channel master 4221.

Boo- That is not a very nice thing to say about Frank Turner.....






But I agree....
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Channel 7 HD with Comcast has been of the air since at least 530am this morning. Maybe they are working on the problem as stated by the Channel 7 engineer a few days ago.
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The problem on ABC 7.1 does not happen on all receivers. I split my signal from the antenna last night and sent one to the HDTIVO and the other to a Samsung 160. There were so many drop outs and stuttering on the HDTIVO that the broadcast was unwatchable. However the Samsung unit was perfect and had no dropouts at all.

My concern was that this was a HDTIVO problem, however all other OTA HD Broadcasts appear O.K.

Does anyone have an HDTIVO that is not seeing this problem on 7.1 ?

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Does anyone have an HDTIVO that is not seeing this problem on 7.1 ?

I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but it's not just limited to the HD-TiVo. The Motorola cable boxes and VoOM receivers also are affected. Sony and Panasonic Integrated tuners, DISH receivers and SA cable boxes don't appear to be susceptible.
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Originally posted by pkwjr Channel 7 HD with Comcast has been of the air since at least 530am this morning. Maybe they are working on the problem as stated by the Channel 7 engineer a few days ago.

OTA they've just got a big "7-41 WXYZ DT" logo screen with actual program audio playing. The audio is still dropping out occasionally. This must be the "testing" phase.....
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i have comcast hdtv and the digital channel 7 channel 180 is stretched now..no more bars on the sides....
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