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post #2881 of 3408 Old 07-28-2009, 03:30 PM
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829,
Enter your complete address at:
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?opti...pper&Itemid=29
Also enter the height off the ground that the antenna will be.

On the results page, copy the "share results" link shown in bold text. The results will not display your address.

This will give a better idea of how much signal you have at your location.
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I was getting 51.1/2 with a cheap RCA in the attic.
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I should say it has since reverted to 24.1/2.
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TVFool lists stations in the order of signal strength. If it is anywhere near accurate, I think KHOG 15 (29-1) would be the weakest channel you could expect to reliably receive at your address & the antenna height you input. Less for an attic install.

KFTA 27 (24-1 & 24-2) is Line Of Sight (LOS) to your address, which explains your reception with the bigbox store antenna in the attic. KHBS & KAFT are also LOS. The rest have hills in the way or are too far beyond the horizon for reliable reception.

The distant stations your tuner is finding are coming in sporadically, due to tropospheric ducting.
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TVFool lists stations in the order of signal strength. If it is anywhere near accurate, I think KHOG 15 (29-1) would be the weakest channel you could expect to reliably receive at your address & the antenna height you input. Less for an attic install.

KFTA 27 (24-1 & 24-2) is Line Of Sight (LOS) to your address, which explains your reception with the bigbox store antenna in the attic. KHBS & KAFT are also LOS. The rest have hills in the way or are too far beyond the horizon for reliable reception.

The distant stations your tuner is finding are coming in sporadically, due to tropospheric ducting.

So, regardless of antenna, this is a done deal and I am destined to get only what is in the area?


Didn't you say you were getting Tulsa channels? How far up is your antenna?

If so, I sure wish some stations around here would start looking at adding good extra OTA channels like Tulsa has.
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I get some of the Tulsa stations occasionally. but not all the time. I do not get any of their DTV stations that have moved to the VHF band. I'm on a 1400' ridgetop with an outdoor antenna on a 30' tower. Elevation helps considerably.

I normally get the river valley/NWA stations, plus Springfield, MO stations quite well. I also get Joplin UHFs on many summer mornings & evenings. But never in winter, when TV doesn't travel as far. And never VHF.
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I didn't know greenwood had any ridge tops that high up. Well, I am not going back to cable, so I guess I have all I am going to get.
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I'm not in Greenwood. I'm in Carroll County, Ark.
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Oh, I am sorry. I must have gotten you confused with someone else.


Thank you for your help.
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Oh, I am sorry. I must have gotten you confused with someone else...

829, I think that would be me here in Greenwood. You're right, highest point in Greenwood would be about 850 feet. I'm up about 800 feet, near the top of a hill. Getting the Tulsa channels was a challenge even here, I had to orient my antenna a little off axis, and if I raised it up too high or too low I lost reception. My guess is I get some advantageous reflections and refractions. And reception was better before they changed frequencies. Good luck on your efforts.
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829, I think that would be me here in Greenwood. You're right, highest point in Greenwood would be about 850 feet. I'm up about 800 feet, near the top of a hill. Getting the Tulsa channels was a challenge even here, I had to orient my antenna a little off axis, and if I raised it up too high or too low I lost reception. My guess is I get some advantageous reflections and refractions. And reception was better before they changed frequencies. Good luck on your efforts.

I went to antenna web and found that the stations I wanted were UHF. Are you still getting Tulsa channels? If so, are they watchable? How tall is your mast? My GPS puts me at 604' while standing on the ground. Any insight you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
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I went to antenna web and found that the stations I wanted were UHF. Are you still getting Tulsa channels? If so, are they watchable? How tall is your mast? My GPS puts me at 604' while standing on the ground. Any insight you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

829, my antenna is only about 15' off the ground, putting it at about 790' above sea level. I'm still getting some Tulsa channels, KOTV-DT, KOKI-DT and KMYT-DT, occasionally others if the atmospherics are right. KOTV is always watchable, KMYT is usually watchable, but KOKI has always been problematic, sometimes watchable, often not. Summer is usually better than winter. I don't get any of the Tulsa VHF channels because I don't have a VHF antenna.

As for insight, please take this for what it's worth, which might not be much, but might be something to consider. Based on what tvfool.com says about your location, compared to what it says about my location, it may be a struggle for you to get reliable reception from the Tulsa stations. I copied the first 20 stations tvfool.com listed for your location and the first 20 for mine and pasted them side-to-side below. Your results are shown under the Fort Smith heading and mine under the Greenwood heading. Notice that the Tulsa channels' signal levels [the Pwr(dBm) column] at your location are on the order of 10 to 15 dBm less (more negative) than at my location, even though you're 8 miles or so closer to the towers. Your altitude is a couple of hundred feet below mine, which probably explains most of the difference. A 10 dBm difference is a factor of 10, and a 13 dBm difference is a factor of 20. If my signal strength was down by a factor of ten, I don't think I'd get any Tulsa channels, even with what I consider a pretty decent antenna, preamp and receivers.

I don't know how accurate tvfool's analysis tools are, and I'm not a broadcast or antenna engineer, and as always, your mileage may vary. But I hope this helped. Let us know how you make out. If you haven't read it already, the tvfool TV Signal Analysis FAQ discusses the analysis reports in more detail HERE.

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...I'm still getting some Tulsa channels, KOTV-DT, KOKI-DT and KMYT-DT, occasionally others if the atmospherics are right...

Atmospheric conditions are a big factor in distant reception. I'm getting several distant stations this morning and some are very strong. OTOH, local stations that normally come in full strength, like KHOG, are bouncing all around and much lower signal strengths than normal. This is probably from co/adjacent channel interference from distant stations riding in abnormally strong.

KHBS (Distance 107 miles)


KHOG (Distance 34 miles)


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I have seen a few other people post screen shots like that, what are you using to get that screen? Is that your TV or rotor or box?


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I have seen a few other people post screen shots like that, what are you using to get that screen? Is that your TV or rotor or box?

Those are pics from the signal diagnostics screen in my TV's menu, taken with a digital camera.
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KFSM's plan to almost double transmitter power to 1,000kW ERP is still on track. If you get KFSM marginally now where you live, it may come in much stronger after the transmitter upgrade is completed.

A friend found out today that KAFT's plan to double VHF power from 19 to 38kW is also still on. Parts are being delivered next week.
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What's the chances KFSM will be broadcasting the tvgos signal over the air so my Sony tv will get a guide.
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KFSM's plan to almost double transmitter power to 1,000kW ERP is still on track. If you get KFSM marginally now where you live, it may come in much stronger after the transmitter upgrade is completed.

A friend found out today that KAFT's plan to double VHF power from 19 to 38kW is also still on. Parts are being delivered next week.

we know the what, where, and why, but how about the when?
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What's the chances KFSM will be broadcasting the tvgos signal over the air so my Sony tv will get a guide.

You'll have to contact KFSM. KOLR (CBS) in Springfield, MO and the CBS affiliate in Tulsa are your other options. I get TVGOS from KOLR. You need a good antenna & preamp for any chance of snagging the data from those markets at your location.

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we know the what, where, and why, but how about the when?

KFSM is currently taking bids on the equipment to submit to corporate.
KAFT's equipment will supposedly start being delivered to Winslow next week.

Both power increases have been approved, so the FCC paperwork is out of the way.
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Moved my FS system back to its original location. 5.1 now locks ocassionally, still dropping out a lot. The power increases will probably be all I need to enjoy 5.1 and 24.1 in the future....looking forward to that. I think you hit the nail on the head Sam. It seems your theory of me being on the edge of a cliff with 5.1 and 24.1 was correct. I'm gonna keep my setup as it is now with the 7698 and just be patient and wait for the power up to bail me out. I still plan on giving you the 4228.....gonna look around, I used to have an antennas direct 8 bay and an Antennacraft of similar type out in my shed. If I still have them and you want them, I'll bring them too. Just let me know.

Living on the FRINGE + Locking OTA locals......Can get very FRUSTRATING at times!
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KFSM's power increase to 1,000kW should help, if you're dangling on the edge of the digital cliff.

I think you're confusing (pbs) KAFT 9 (13-n) with (fox/nbc) KFTA 27 (24-n). KFTA has already boosted their ERP to 660kW. They had planned to go to 1,000kW, but the existing equipment on their tower couldn't handle as much power as they originally wanted.

I'll send you a PM about the antennas in a minute. Thanks.
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KFSM's power increase to 1,000kW should help, if you're dangling on the edge of the digital cliff.

I think you're confusing (pbs) KAFT 9 (13-n) with (fox/nbc) KFTA 27 (24-n). KFTA has already boosted their ERP to 660kW. They had planned to go to 1,000kW, but the existing equipment on their tower couldn't handle as much power as they originally wanted.

I'll send you a PM about the antennas in a minute. Thanks.

Yes I did, I got confused on that one..I always get those two mixed up on station ID. Well, I already get KAFT at 96% with the new 7698. I really dont know why I cant pick up KFTA.....I locked it a few months back.....it doesnt even register on the H20....on the Sonys tuner is shows about 41% but rarely goes higher....sometimes it will jump into the high 40's and low 50's but never enough to watch it.

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Arkyman, Put your address or coordinates into TVFool.
On the next page, click "Make Radar Plot" and select "only digital."
When the list of stations displays, click a station's call letters for a profile showing the hills between you and that transmitter.

On the far left edge of the profile image is the station's transmitter tower. On the right edge is the address you entered. In the middle, you can see all the hills between you & the transmitter.

EXAMPLE:
___________________________________________

___________________________________________

If you house is in "white" it usually indicates there is no usable signal there, due to distance or hills in the way.
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(from the Springfield, MO thread)
KPBI will drop My Network TV this week and start carrying Retro TV (RTV) programming.
http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2009/08/12/daily.5/

Full power KPBI in Eureka Spgs went dark, as of 6/12. Wonder if they'll fire up a full power DT transmitter at the Garfield xmtr site?
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Full power KPBI in Eureka Spgs went dark, as of 6/12. Wonder if they'll fire up a full power DT transmitter at the Garfield xmtr site?

Did they get that transmitter built? Looks like their construction permit expired in February.

4029engineering consists of several engineers who are HDTV viewers just like you. Anything said in this forum is their own opinion and not necessairly official KHBS/KHOG policy.
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I wish we would start getting from new channels down here in FSM. I wish more people were on antenna. I use to have cox limited basic and after the transition the cost went from $12.10 to $17.40. I just do not watch TV enough to justify the increase. I really do not understand paying $50, $60, $100, etc.
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Did they get that transmitter built? Looks like their construction permit expired in February.

I don't know. Last I heard, the station's original plan was to convert the existing 1,200kW ch 34 transmitter to 1,00kW digital. But that was when Equity owned it. New owner now.
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were getting an rtn hot damn i like a lot of their programing
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KPBI-DT 34-1, city of License Eureka Springs is on the air with RTV network programming. NWA OTA viewers need to rescan to find it.
Program schedule:
http://www.myretrotv.com/prog_schedules/KPBI.pdf
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On KRAH-CA, analog Channel 60, this has been up on the screen all day long

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KPBI 34/ Eureka Springs, AR.

KPBI-CA 46/ Fort Smith AR.

KJBW-CA 4/ Springdale, AR.

KUFS-LP 54/ Fort Smith, AR.

KRAH-CA 60/ Paris, AR. ( this is the one I get at my house )

KEGW-LP 64/ Fayetteville, AR.

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