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It turns out there is no FCC requirement for a cable operator to provide HD "locals" unencrypted. There is actually no requirement that a cable operator prove HD "locals" at all.

They must carry SD "locals", and the SD "locals" must not be encrypted, but this rule has never been extended to HD.

I assumed there was such a rule, because Charter is the first cable company I have come across which encrypts HD "locals".

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Stolen from another forum post that turned up in a Google search.


Charter does encrypt the local digital feeds but not the SD feeds, and that is all the FCC requires. Cable Co's must carry all local analog channels, but digital only if the station does not broadcast an analog signal...

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/digital.html

"Retransmission Consent

A commercial television station, broadcasting in both formats during the transition period, may choose must carry or retransmission consent for its analog signal and retransmission consent for its digital signal. A DTV-only commercial television station may elect either retransmission consent or must carry.

A DTV-only noncommercial station is also entitled to must carry. While a noncommercial television station does not have retransmission consent rights under Section 325 of the Act, it may nevertheless enter into digital carriage agreements with cable operators and other MVPDs.

A DTV-only television station may make its retransmission consent/must carry election any time between 60 days prior to commencing service and 30 days after commencing service. If must carry is chosen, the cable operator must commence carriage 90 days after the election is made.

A television station electing retransmission consent may negotiate with a cable operator for partial carriage of its digital television signal.

The current prohibition on exclusive retransmission consent agreements encompasses a television station's analog and digital signals. This prohibition expires on January 1, 2006.

For the time being, a television station may tie the carriage of its digital signal with the carriage of the analog signal as a retransmission consent condition. The Commission will monitor the marketplace for potential abuses. "
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Just got of the phone with KEPR and was told they should be up and running tomorrow. Don't know if that was for testing or programming. We will have to wait and see.
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Just got of the phone with KEPR and was told they should be up and running tomorrow. Don't know if that was for testing or programming. We will have to wait and see.

I hope you're right, but I suspect they're talking about their analog signal. It too has been off for the last couple of days. I called yesterday and was told December 15th for the digital to be restored and the end of December for the HD transmission.
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Looks like Goldielox was right, checked today and the analog signal is back, but still no Digital or HD. Bummer.
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Glad I found this thread, just installed my hdtv yesterday, put up the antenna on Saturday, was getting good reception, except I noted KEPR. I was going to call them today, but now I have the answers. I had problems with them last year, my sound via directv and the tivo was not matched to the video. annoying.

I put up a radioshack antenna on the side of the house, may move it to the garage attic later. The garage faces towards Kennewick. Its doing ok as it is. I need someone to help me so I'm not running in and out adjusting.

Also located in Columbia Place neighborhood north of Sandifur.

Have directv, not going to pay 10.00/mo for 7 HD channels. Considering options there as well.
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Picking up KFFX on 8.3 this afternoon. Interesting. Wonder what they are up to?
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Picking up KFFX on 8.3 this afternoon. Interesting. Wonder what they are up to?

Me too! 11.1 was off all day yesterday.
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Me too! 11.1 was off all day yesterday.

That's strange. I was picking up both 8.3 and 11.1 all day yesterday as well as today.
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That's strange. I was picking up both 8.3 and 11.1 all day yesterday as well as today.

Were they both the SD signal or was 8.3 in HD?
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Were they both the SD signal or was 8.3 in HD?

Both channels are SD.

BTW, just talked to KEPR's receptionist and was informed they are still planning on having their SD up by the 15th.
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I just got home and did a scan, none of those mentioned came through. Lost channel 9 as well. Though its not a good signal.

Snyder81, I think we are in the same neighborhood, is the RS antenna in your garage attic the old style boom antenna?
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I just got home and did a scan, none of those mentioned came through. Lost channel 9 as well. Though its not a good signal.

Snyder81, I think we are in the same neighborhood, is the RS antenna in your garage attic the old style boom antenna?

It's this one: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103084
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Surprise! Looks like KEPR missed their digital reactivation date. I think their schedules must be put together by their weatherman.

I haven't seen these guys meet a single planned date yet! Anyone want to bet we won't have HD in time for Superbowl?

Remember, they had originally promised to be broadcasting in HD by the start of the 2006 NFL season.
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Surprise! Looks like KEPR missed their digital reactivation date. I think their schedules must be put together by their weatherman.

I haven't seen these guys meet a single planned date yet! Anyone want to bet we won't have HD in time for Superbowl?

Remember, they had originally promised to be broadcasting in HD by the start of the 2006 NFL season.

Just talked to John, engineer at KEPR. He said the filter that was sent back for repair is acting up again and the manufacturer rep will be here Tuesday. Hopes to have all the issues resolved and color bars up the later part of next week. I did remind him of Super Bowl.

Wish I had better news.
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We live in Zillah and get the 3 NBC, 2 ABC, 1 CBS and 3 PBS stations with an indoor antenna. But nothing from Fox on our Samsung SIR-T451 receiver. Without using our HDTV receiver, we get Fox 41 analog. With HDTV receiver zero. Nothing available from fox?

Anyone else have a problem with channel 29 messing up their receiver? I had to remove the 29 channel from our set channels this past week because the receiver would freeze up whenever it came to 29. Happened previously with KEPR when they had similar problems a few months ago. Real PITA.

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Just talked to John, engineer at KEPR. He said the filter that was sent back for repair is acting up again and the manufacturer rep will be here Tuesday. Hopes to have all the issues resolved and color bars up the later part of next week. I did remind him of Super Bowl.

Wish I had better news.

Any news since Tuesday?
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Any news since Tuesday?

Have not talked to KEPR's engineer lately. Don't want to bug him too much. Also, have not observed any color bars yet.

For those of you in Yakima, is KIMA broadcasting in HD yet?
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Nope.. Nothing new in Yakima.
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I did an antenna search today, and 18-3 is there. No sound though.
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Same result, 18-3 in digital SD with no sound...

Hey, look at the bright side, at least that's progress.
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I just got my new HD TV fired up this week...I'm impressed...especially with PBS.

I live in Finley, WA (South East of Kennewick) and I decided to do some RF measurements on the TV signals I'm receiving on my antenna (a Channel Master 4221).

I use a 4 way splitter to go to my TV, VCR and DVD-R...the fourth tap is capped with a 75 ohm terminator. I do not use a preamp....although these measurements are showing I need one!

Using the FCC database search features I found the frequencies for both NTSC (analog) and digital channels. I measured the amplitude using an IFR spectrum analyzer (I'm a communications technician) by using the last connection on my four-way splitter.

Here's the results...

Channel 9 KCWK
NTSC 186-192 MHz Transmitting at 316 KWatts I received at -80dBm
Digital 186-192 MHz (They are not transmitting yet! But the FCC license is asking for 45 KWatts)

Channel 11 KFFX
NTSC 198-204 MHz Transmitting at 316 KWatts I received at -70dBm
Digital 180-186 MHz Transmitting at 6 KWatts I wasn't able to see this

Channel 19 KEPR
NTSC 500-506 MHz Transmitting at 490 KWatts I received at -50dBm
Digital 494-500 MHz Transmitting at 5.3 KWatts I received at -75dBm

Channel 25 KNDU
NTSC 536-542 MHz Transmitting at 661 KWatts I received at -35 dBm
Digital 542-548 MHz Transmitting at 33 KWatts I received at -80 dBm

Channel 31 KTNW
NTSC 572-578 MHz Transmitting at 70.8 KWatts I received at -45 dBm
Digital 614-620 MHz Transmitting at 47.6 KWatts I received at -65 dBm

Channel 42 KVEW
NTSC 638-644 MHz Transmitting at 501 KWatts I received at -40 dBm
Digital 650-656 MHz Transmitting at 61 KWatts I received at -85 dBm

Channel KBWU
NTSC 782-788 MHz Transmitting at 12 KWatts I received at -65 dBm
Digital 602-608 MHz Transmitting at 6.5 KWatts I received at -85 dBm

For the non-techy types...the last number is the most important...the closer to zero the better/stronger the signal I'm receiving on my antenna. So, Channel 31 is the strongest digital station and Channel 25 is the strongest analog station.

Just thought you'd like to know what I found out...
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Same result, 18-3 in digital SD with no sound...

Hey, look at the bright side, at least that's progress.

I'm over in Seattle for the weekend but curious. Is the video color bars or what? Also, how strong is the signal?
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Its the channel picture (NCIS right now). I got 80%

KVEW right now is giving me 88%
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We live in Zillah and get the 3 NBC, 2 ABC, 1 CBS and 3 PBS stations with an indoor antenna. But nothing from Fox on our Samsung SIR-T451 receiver. Without using our HDTV receiver, we get Fox 41 analog. With HDTV receiver zero. Nothing available from fox?

Anyone else have a problem with channel 29 messing up their receiver? I had to remove the 29 channel from our set channels this past week because the receiver would freeze up whenever it came to 29. Happened previously with KEPR when they had similar problems a few months ago. Real PITA.

Roy

Surprisingly FOX in Yakima isn't digital yet and won't be for at least a while. The reason why is unclear since sister station in Medford, OR owned by the same company, which is also is a FOX station by the way, is not only digital but is also now broadcasting in HD!! even though Medford is smaller than the Yakima/Tri-Cities Market. The guy running the local FOX stations seems to favor Oregon for some really stupid reason. The main FOX digital station for our area is even located in the Pendelton, OR area even though Yakima, Kennewick, Pasco, and Richland are all individually bigger than Pendelton.

Now for the good news. KCYU FOX has applied for a low power digital companion channel with the FCC.

Now back to the bad news again. Don't know when this channel will be up. Probably no later than Feb. 2009 as that is the analog turn off date. Also like the analog channel, this channel will be low powered so you may still have difficulties getting FOX like you may now. The interference problems may be gone but the picture may break up at times.

I guess that is a good enough explanation for now.

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Have not talked to KEPR's engineer lately. Don't want to bug him too much. Also, have not observed any color bars yet.

For those of you in Yakima, is KIMA broadcasting in HD yet?

Well there is also a KCYU FOX digital channel and KCWK digital channel on my wishlist too I suppose.

No, KIMA is still not broadcasting in HD yet. I think we should be looking for a lump of coal from this channel on Christmas. Will these guys ever meet a deadline for something that isn't required by the FCC such as HD broadcasting?

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I just got my new HD TV fired up this week...I'm impressed...especially with PBS.

I live in Finley, WA (South East of Kennewick) and I decided to do some RF measurements on the TV signals I'm receiving on my antenna (a Channel Master 4221).

I use a 4 way splitter to go to my TV, VCR and DVD-R...the fourth tap is capped with a 75 ohm terminator. I do not use a preamp....although these measurements are showing I need one!

Using the FCC database search features I found the frequencies for both NTSC (analog) and digital channels. I measured the amplitude using an IFR spectrum analyzer (I'm a communications technician) by using the last connection on my four-way splitter.

Here's the results...

Channel 9 KCWK
NTSC 186-192 MHz Transmitting at 316 KWatts I received at -80dBm
Digital 186-192 MHz (They are not transmitting yet! But the FCC license is asking for 45 KWatts)

Channel 11 KFFX
NTSC 198-204 MHz Transmitting at 316 KWatts I received at -70dBm
Digital 180-186 MHz Transmitting at 6 KWatts I wasn't able to see this

Channel 19 KEPR
NTSC 500-506 MHz Transmitting at 490 KWatts I received at -50dBm
Digital 494-500 MHz Transmitting at 5.3 KWatts I received at -75dBm

Channel 25 KNDU
NTSC 536-542 MHz Transmitting at 661 KWatts I received at -35 dBm
Digital 542-548 MHz Transmitting at 33 KWatts I received at -80 dBm

Channel 31 KTNW
NTSC 572-578 MHz Transmitting at 70.8 KWatts I received at -45 dBm
Digital 614-620 MHz Transmitting at 47.6 KWatts I received at -65 dBm

Channel 42 KVEW
NTSC 638-644 MHz Transmitting at 501 KWatts I received at -40 dBm
Digital 650-656 MHz Transmitting at 61 KWatts I received at -85 dBm

Channel KBWU
NTSC 782-788 MHz Transmitting at 12 KWatts I received at -65 dBm
Digital 602-608 MHz Transmitting at 6.5 KWatts I received at -85 dBm

For the non-techy types...the last number is the most important...the closer to zero the better/stronger the signal I'm receiving on my antenna. So, Channel 31 is the strongest digital station and Channel 25 is the strongest analog station.

Just thought you'd like to know what I found out...


I'm not sure I understand all your numbers, but find it hard to believe you are picking up a digital signal from KEPR....they are having problems with their equipment and haven't been broadcasting in digital for some time. I am picking up KFFX digital, but am receiving it on channel 11.1.

On a positive note, something great is happening with KVEW, as my signal strength has jumped from 70% to 98%.
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I'm not sure I understand all your numbers, but find it hard to believe you are picking up a digital signal from KEPR....they are having problems with their equipment and haven't been broadcasting in digital for some time. I am picking up KFFX digital, but am receiving it on channel 11.1.

On a positive note, something great is happening with KVEW, as my signal strength has jumped from 70% to 98%.

I've been receiving KEPR's signal since Friday evening on 18-1, however there's no audio with it yet. I can't wait to get CSI and The Unit in HD!
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[quote=goldielox I'm not sure I understand all your numbers, but find it hard to believe you are picking up a digital signal from KEPR....they are having problems with their equipment and haven't been broadcasting in digital for some time.]
I am also picking up KEPR at 18.3 video only and also 19.1 with a blank screen. Signal of 96-100. It does appear that they are using their analog video at this time but the station engineer stated that will change in the near future and PQ will be better. About time, don't you all think?
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I am also picking up KEPR at 18.3 video only and also 19.1 with a blank screen. Signal of 96-100. It does appear that they are using their analog video at this time but the station engineer stated that will change in the near future and PQ will be better. About time, don't you all think?

Well I have noticed some interesting developments lately from 3 different stations. KNDO/KNDU has apparently dropped their local news at 9 and 10 show. KCWK's listings in the Yakima newspaper is listing news at 10PM (even though no news is on for now at that time.) And FOX is once again trying to enter the news arena at 10PM like the 2 failed times before.

My guess is KCWK and maybe FOX are going to have other stations do their 10PM news. I would guess KIMA/KEPR for KCWK and KNDO/KNDU for FOX. KAPP/KVEW would be unlikely for a new 10PM newscast on FOX or KCWK since they do local news at 10 on their .2 subchannel already.

This would be a great opportunity for KIMA/KEPR to plug their channels on the other channel that they are going to be HD in time for the Super Bowl and fix their poor image they've had the last several years.

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About time, don't you all think?

Since you've read my prior posts I know you're joking!

Yes, I believe they should have been broadcasting in HD last September as was originally promised!
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