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veedon's Avatar veedon 08:36 PM 07-29-2014
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Originally Posted by cpalmer2k View Post
No clue, but obviously they don't intend to keep THIS TV on the air if they sought out carriage with WHKY and now THIS TV doesn't list them anymore. I'm sure they can find something though, it seems as though every day another subchannel option launches.
I like some of the diginets that the subchannels carry, but I wonder how much money they make for the stations. From the kind of ads that the subchannels carry, I can't imagine it's much.

blackcap93's Avatar blackcap93 02:00 AM 07-30-2014
WBTV is currently off the air unexpectedly, as of 3:55am this morning.


EDIT: back on now, as of 5:17am.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 03:27 AM 07-30-2014
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I like some of the diginets that the subchannels carry, but I wonder how much money they make for the stations. From the kind of ads that the subchannels carry, I can't imagine it's much.
Of course it is a secret, but several of the popular substations in Charlotte show local adverts. WBTV also preempts Bounce 2 hours/day to provide local news with Black anchors. There are local ads on there too.

THIS did show local adverts when it was on WBTV.

If they score the sub-channel on the local cable system then they get carriage fees. This is my theory on why THIS keeps getting denied like an illegitimate child. TWC in Charlotte won't carry it. This is the 2nd time it's been dropped in CLT. It's now on a station in Hickory which chooses to show it in a distorted format AND which has very little OTA coverage in the DMA compared to WJZY.

As far as I know, DISH and DTV for the most part, will not carry the local subchannels on their systems, so no carriage fees there. They do, somewhat provide guide data for them if you hook up an antenna to their receivers. Though I'm not sure, I don't think Uverse does either. (for the handful that actually have it)
ejb1980's Avatar ejb1980 12:24 PM 07-30-2014
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Of course it is a secret, but several of the popular substations in Charlotte show local adverts. WBTV also preempts Bounce 2 hours/day to provide local news with Black anchors. There are local ads on there too.

THIS did show local adverts when it was on WBTV.

If they score the sub-channel on the local cable system then they get carriage fees. This is my theory on why THIS keeps getting denied like an illegitimate child. TWC in Charlotte won't carry it. This is the 2nd time it's been dropped in CLT. It's now on a station in Hickory which chooses to show it in a distorted format AND which has very little OTA coverage in the DMA compared to WJZY.

As far as I know, DISH and DTV for the most part, will not carry the local subchannels on their systems, so no carriage fees there. They do, somewhat provide guide data for them if you hook up an antenna to their receivers. Though I'm not sure, I don't think Uverse does either. (for the handful that actually have it)
Most broadcast subchannels show local ads. I wonder how many people actually watch the subchannels on cable. With all of the channels below 1000 now and all the on-demand and other useless cable junk in the 1000s and 1100s, I can't imagine the average viewer would stumble upon the subchannels in the 1200s in most cases when surfing their guide. The primary channel is still mapped to the old analog number so people will still find CBS, ABC, Fox, etc in the regular part of the guide. I have the satellite set-up described in the quoted post and I absolutely love it - the locals are all together, on their proper numbers, most of them have correct guide data, and you are not limited to the DMA offerings. It's nice to have everything all in one place and in the proper order.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 01:21 PM 07-30-2014
TWC does have a mind boggling stupid, from an end user perspective, channel numbering scheme.
Skynet2029's Avatar Skynet2029 05:59 PM 07-30-2014
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Though I'm not sure, I don't think Uverse does either. (for the handful that actually have it)
Nah , they don't have it for the most part, unless you count me getting channel 17 UNC-EX and METV's national feed ... Other than that it's just 3,9,18,30,36,42,46,55,58, and 64. Only one really missing is WHKY.
veedon's Avatar veedon 07:22 PM 07-30-2014
The thing about subchannels is that a station has to be careful that a subchannel complements the programming on the main channel rather than drawing eyeballs away from the main channel and to the subchannel. If the subchannel can draw viewers who otherwise would not watch the station's programming at all, then that's a plus for the station, especially if the station can use some of its ad time on the subchannel to effectively promote the programming on the main channel to viewers who might not know what the main channel has to offer.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 06:19 AM 07-31-2014
I don't think it makes much difference. The only local channel that I can think of where people might watch the subchannels more than the main HD channel is WHKY. That one only shows infomercials all day, with the few exceptions of 30 min news & some taped programs from local Baptist churches.

As long as those carriage checks keep rolling in from TWC, DISH, DTV, AT&T, etc I don't think the stations care much anyway.
A J's Avatar A J 06:34 AM 07-31-2014
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Other than that it's just 3,9,18,30,36,42,46,55,58, and 64. Only one really missing (from Uverse) is WHKY.
Well, WHKY is also missing for a great many of the Charlotte area's OTA viewers. Even with a pre-amp I only get an intermittent, pixelating picture, totally unwatchable. If/when they become the only source for ThisTV I will miss being able to record 'Highway Patrol' in the wee hours and 'In the Heat of the Night' on Sunday evenings.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 09:06 AM 07-31-2014
Yeah, that small 18KW transmitter in E. Charlotte is only good if you live on the E side of I-85 from about Harrisburg down to just past downtown Charlotte. Much past I-485 or even S. of 74 it drops off fast. A friend of mine at Southpark says it's impossible to pick up WHKY. I can't reliably pick it up from Huntersville even though it's just 14 miles away. WTVI on the same tower if very strong even off the backside of an antenna.

I can pick up that station by pointing my db8 directly towards their main tower in Hickory, and of late, it's even been reliable. But since there isn't much else of interest in that direction, I can't imagine that many in CLT would do this. I have 3 antennas hooked to my DVR, but most people won't have this.

So effectively, when WJZY/WMYT drop THIS, it's gone from most of the CLT market. Hopefully they will replace it with something else equivalent. Someone dropped a rumor here some time ago, they might put some sort of hispanic station on it.
tylerSC's Avatar tylerSC 04:38 PM 07-31-2014
WCNC now has the new Gannett graphics on its newscasts. Themed like USA Today colors for News, Sports, Money, and Life.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 04:03 AM 08-01-2014
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WCNC now has the new Gannett graphics on its newscasts. Themed like USA Today colors for News, Sports, Money, and Life.
Reminds me of watching TV on a Windows 8 computer. ..... except on a computer you can turn it off.

They should probably tone it back a bit. Then again, they don't seem to have much of an issue with eye assaulting colors & graphics. Add the top & bottom banner and at times, I'm guessing somewhere around 35-40% of the screen is covered by these new graphics.

I do like the new weather 7 day forecast graphics, and the bottom banner is nice on its on.

Some of the banners have adverts in them.
A J's Avatar A J 11:09 AM 08-01-2014
WAXN has a color bar test pattern on 64.3 which I first noticed last night. Something brewing there? They did the same thing on 64.2 shortly before GetTV was added.

Check123's Avatar Check123 11:11 AM 08-01-2014
Yes...Ted Hand posted this over on the TWC board...

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WAXN-TV 64.3 is now on the air with color bars for the 8/18/14 Launch of ESCAPETV. You may see 64.1 programming on 64.3 in SD, 16x9 at random times between now and 8/18/14 for testing.
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Theo1080's Avatar Theo1080 11:44 AM 08-01-2014
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Starting August 18th, WAXN 64.3 will start airing ESCAPE TV. The feed from Escape TV is 1080i, WAXN will air it at 480i..... It will be 16x9. Programing is targeted for woman 25-54. Its companion channel, GRIT TV is targeted for men 25-54 and will air on another channel in Charlotte. I can answer questions about ESCAPE TV if you have any.
realoldman's Avatar realoldman 12:42 PM 08-01-2014
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Starting August 18th, WAXN 64.3 will start airing ESCAPE TV. The feed from Escape TV is 1080i, WAXN will air it at 480i..... It will be 16x9. Programing is targeted for woman 25-54. Its companion channel, GRIT TV is targeted for men 25-54 and will air on another channel in Charlotte. I can answer questions about ESCAPE TV if you have any.
WSOC AND WAXN both have good lineups, its a shame they can't up there power like WBTV so we could watch in western NC.
tylerSC's Avatar tylerSC 12:59 PM 08-01-2014
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WSOC AND WAXN both have good lineups, its a shame they can't up there power like WBTV so we could watch in western NC.
WSOC is full power but their tower is on the east side of Charlotte, and WBTV tower is to the west of Charlotte. And WBTV has a taller tower. But WSOC does have a strong signal in their primary coverage area, and has further coverage to the east of Charlotte. As well as a series of translators. But I agree, I wish they did have a stronger signal towards Upstate SC and Western NC. But both 9.1 and 9.5 can be received in parts of Spartanburg with a good UHF outside antenna and amp. And I often get them at night.
bdfox18doe's Avatar bdfox18doe 02:52 PM 08-01-2014
The earth is round. Towers are x feet high. More power will not make up for the impediment of reception by the laws of physics.
ybsane's Avatar ybsane 03:36 PM 08-01-2014
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The earth is round. Towers are x feet high. More power will not make up for the impediment of reception by the laws of physics.
That is why the height above average terrain is important for the transmitter and the end user's antenna.
bdfox18doe's Avatar bdfox18doe 06:28 PM 08-01-2014
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Originally Posted by Theo1080 View Post
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Starting August 18th, WAXN 64.3 will start airing ESCAPE TV. The feed from Escape TV is 1080i, WAXN will air it at 480i..... It will be 16x9. Programing is targeted for woman 25-54. Its companion channel, GRIT TV is targeted for men 25-54 and will air on another channel in Charlotte. I can answer questions about ESCAPE TV if you have any.
http://radioinsight.com/community/to...grit-networks/
dscau14's Avatar dscau14 04:30 PM 08-02-2014
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Grit will be on WBTV channel 26.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 04:46 PM 08-02-2014
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The earth is round. ....
If you are going to bring science into it then technically it's an oblate spheroid. It's fatter at the equator than through the poles.

I'd say given where we are located, the local terrain such as the rise to the mountains, valleys, etc. are probably more important. However assuming a perfectly round flat earth, then theoretically WSOC should be viewable at ground level 64 miles away based on their tower height. That would cover a lot of the territory west of here.
A J's Avatar A J 06:43 AM 08-04-2014
Kudos to WCCB for their novel method of announcing a sub-channel change. The PSIP guide for 18.2 shows the program title as "Antenna TV August 15th!". Neat and informative!

blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 11:48 AM 08-04-2014
Seems that WJZY has fixed that horrible wrong aspect ratio/feed they were transmitting for the last few weeks on 46.2. Both 4:3 and 16:9 content is displaying correctly now and it's looking really good. In fact, I think Movies! has the best looking SD picture on Charlotte broadcast TV right now. A good example of how it should be done.


It's nice, for a change, to see a station that actually listens to its viewers.
tylerSC's Avatar tylerSC 07:30 PM 08-04-2014
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Seems that WJZY has fixed that horrible wrong aspect ratio/feed they were transmitting for the last few weeks on 46.2. Both 4:3 and 16:9 content is displaying correctly now and it's looking really good. In fact, I think Movies! has the best looking SD picture on Charlotte broadcast TV right now. A good example of how it should be done.


It's nice, for a change, to see a station that actually listens to its viewers.
Yea it looks much better. But I guess we now have the black spaces on the top and bottom of the screen. But at least they now leave it up to the viewer to determine whether to zoom in and distort the picture.
tylerSC's Avatar tylerSC 07:31 PM 08-04-2014
And has it been officially confirmed that they are dropping ThisTV from 55.2? And if so, what may be replacing it there?
tylerSC's Avatar tylerSC 07:35 PM 08-04-2014
Just saw promo. Raycom is now negotiating in good faith with DirecTV for continued carriage of WBTV. Here we go again. Be sure you have your antenna as a back up. As last year, both WBTV and WSPA were temporarily dropped by Dish Network, I believe. Fortunately, I get a strong OTA signal from both CBS affiliates, so I am not worried about whatever the pay providers may be doing.
cpalmer2k's Avatar cpalmer2k 09:27 PM 08-04-2014
Hopefully they'll work it out soon, they usually don't let theirs go on as long as Dish does.

DirecTV did announce the availability of the SEC Network today... I'm wondering if the Charlotte Market will be included in their territory (since the channel is based in Charlotte)? It's amazing the wide range of RSN coverage. Where I am in S.C I only get FS South and Fox SportsSouth. I know Asheville gets FS Cincinnati, and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Charlotte area get FS South, SportsSouth, FS Cincinnati and MASN on DirecTV? SEC Network would make FIVE RSN's.
blackcap93's Avatar blackcap93 10:39 PM 08-04-2014
DirecTV subscribers on the North Carolina side of the Charlotte DMA does get the above RSN's, except for the Hickory and Boone areas, which are outside MASN's territory.

Also, the SEC Network isn't an RSN, but a nationally available network; the only regional matter in this case is what service tier the channel will be on. In Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky, SEC Network will be on expanded basic service, and everywhere else, on digital basic or similar tier.
blackcat6's Avatar blackcat6 12:58 AM 08-05-2014
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Yea it looks much better. But I guess we now have the black spaces on the top and bottom of the screen. But at least they now leave it up to the viewer to determine whether to zoom in and distort the picture.
You shouldn't be seeing any black spaces on top & bottom unless they are transmitting a movie that requires it. But that should be expected. They are showing movies in their original format when available.
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