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This doesn't really tell me which of those stations that you want, as you have several choices. However here is what I recommend.

  • If you want to receive the full spectrum of channels 2-51 then you should look at something like an Antennacraft HD1850.
  • If you want to receive VHF-Hi (7-13) + UHF then consider an Antennacraft HBU-55 or Winegard 7698p.
  • If you only care about UHF then go with an Antennacraft MXU59. This antenna has an option for adding a VHF antenna which you can point in anther direction. Another option is the Winegard HD9032.

All of these antennas will pick up a strong signal from the back side. You can take advantage of that to point the antenna at the weakest station that you want to receive.
Sorry really dont understand the tvfool report & vhf/uhf. Best i can tell is uhf from charlotte area? Basically wanting pick up stations easiest to receive w/antenna in attic (hopefully) without rotor if possible..
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....But those Channel Master dist amps are well reviewed when used in the proper application.
The "proper application" is to compensate for coax/splitter losses. It won't put more signal on the antenna.
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WSOC and WAXN's antennas are mounted on top of one another at our tower on Plaza Road in NE Charlotte. WSOC is an omni-directional at 1000KW ERP. WAXN is a directional at 150 KW ERP with the null toward the NE (WFMY's transmitter site. They are Channel 51). WAXN power is at this level as it matches its coverage from pre-2009 analog days. WAXN was "drop-in" when it when on the air back in 1994. It was more than a LPTV, but less than a full power station. Believe me, if we could increase the power , we would.

Thanks much.

Considering how close I am to Crowders Mountain (4 to 5 miles - I can see the tower from my front porch), looks like I could pick up WAXN-CR with no problem, but the signal must not be that strong to the east of the mountain.
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Sorry really dont understand the tvfool report & vhf/uhf. Best i can tell is uhf from charlotte area? Basically wanting pick up stations easiest to receive w/antenna in attic (hopefully) without rotor if possible..
I think you're just in a tough area for OTA reception. I would not expect any antenna to work miracles.

I'm a big believer in line-of-sight and in first trying to get the signals from the closest transmitters before worrying about long-distance reception. There is a reason why TV stations have gone to the trouble and expense to put translators in your area. It's because you'd have a hard time getting a good signal from their main transmitters that are distant from you.

In the world of digital broadcasting, anything over 50 miles should be considered long distance and problematic. You might be able to make it work, but don't count on it.

Of the transmitters that I mentioned in post 9306, all of them are UHF except the WSPA (CBS) translator on RF 8 and the WCYB transmitter on RF 5 from Bristol. RF 5 will be nearly impossible to receive without a large outdoor antenna that has elements specifically designed for VHF-Lo.
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Sorry really dont understand the tvfool report & vhf/uhf. Best i can tell is uhf from charlotte area? Basically wanting pick up stations easiest to receive w/antenna in attic (hopefully) without rotor if possible..
Well you should be able to receive WSOC and WCCB easily from the Smith Mtn. translators. Which is ABC and CW. But the other networks may be a bit more challenging. And yes, CBS, NBC, and FOX from Charlotte are all UHF and transmit from Dallas, NC. To receive those channels, a good high gain UHF antenna would be recommended. Such as 91XG or the Solid Signal version which is a bit cheaper. Or an MXU-59 or Winegard 9095. And an amp may help in a fringe situation, but I will let the other experts here continue to debate that. As sometimes they may do more harm than good. Now if you want to try for WLOS-RF13 or WSPA-RF7, then a combo antenna such as HBU-55 Antennacraft or Winegard 7698 may be the better choice. And you may be able to receive the WHNS and WSPA translators for FOX and CBS, but not sure if they are analog or digital.
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...And you may be able to receive the WHNS and WSPA translators for FOX and CBS, but not sure if they are analog or digital.
On the TVFool report that CherokeeMan provided, the WSPA translator is definitely digital. (It is called W08BF-D.)

For WHNS, the report actually shows two different translators that are both called W35AV. The stronger one (for his location) is digital and operates on RF 30 (not 35, according to the report) from a location of Black Mountain. The weaker one is analog and operates on RF 35. But that info about the analog one may be outdated. The analog translator may have already been shut down or will soon shut down.
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Sorry really dont understand the tvfool report & vhf/uhf. Best i can tell is uhf from charlotte area? Basically wanting pick up stations easiest to receive w/antenna in attic (hopefully) without rotor if possible..
Forget everything that I said, then if you are planning to put the antenna in your attic. No guarantees at all on that. Expect to be disappointed with the results. It can be done, but a lot of it is going to be trial an error to achieve reliable results. Note the word reliable here.

My recommendation, if learning a little about VHF/UHF and determining the stations that you want is more than you want to take on, is that you should try to hire someone locally to help you set this up.

Large antenna installations such as this require some thought, consideration and study to be successful. It's pretty much impossible to cover everything that you are going to need to make it work in the manner in which the discussion is proceeding here.

Good Luck.
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Forget everything that I said, then if you are planning to put the antenna in your attic. No guarantees at all on that. Expect to be disappointed with the results. It can be done, but a lot of it is going to be trial an error to achieve reliable results. Note the word reliable here.

My recommendation, if learning a little about VHF/UHF and determining the stations that you want is more than you want to take on, is that you should try to hire someone locally to help you set this up.

Large antenna installations such as this require some thought, consideration and study to be successful. It's pretty much impossible to cover everything that you are going to need to make it work in the manner in which the discussion is proceeding here.

Good Luck.
Appreciate the info & thinking you are probably right. Recently moved here from house approx. 9 miles away & amazed at the reception difference. At old residence just stuck HD antenna in attic & boom over 20 stations, no consideration or studies needed lol.

Guess its gonna end up dish or charter as much as I hate to go that route...
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Sorry really dont understand the tvfool report & vhf/uhf. Best i can tell is uhf from charlotte area? Basically wanting pick up stations easiest to receive w/antenna in attic (hopefully) without rotor if possible..
It can also be confusing that the channels no longer correlate for actual VHF and UHF. Whereas WBTV was analog Channel 3 on Low VHF, it is now actually UHF Channel 23 for digital. But they still use the virtual analog branding. So you would now need a UHF antenna for WBTV as it is no longer broadcasting on VHF Channel 3, and RF23 is UHF. The old analog Channel 3 was subject to noise and interference, sometimes resulting in a snowy picture. So they came out better by moving to UHF for digital. And since they have a tall omnidirectional stick antenna on top of that 2000 ft. tower, it could be argued they have the best overall DTV signal from Charlotte.
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...Recently moved here from house approx. 9 miles away & amazed at the reception difference. At old residence just stuck HD antenna in attic & boom over 20 stations, no consideration or studies needed lol.

Guess its gonna end up dish or charter as much as I hate to go that route...
The choice is yours, of course. If you want to merely experiment with OTA without shelling out much dough, you could just try using an indoor antenna and positioning it in different locations to see which of the nearby translators and transmitters give the most reliable signals. You may well find that it is quite easy to get CW, ABC, and PBS with an indoor antenna. If you find that you cannot get CBS, NBC, and FOX reliably, but still want to stick with an indoor antenna and just live with only occasionally decent reception, then you may have to consider getting an antenna that has the kind of elements that are suitable for VHF.

With a rooftop antenna, reception should be easy for all of the stations that actually matter, but don't try for the main transmitters that serve the city of Charlotte. Aim for the translators and be extremely skeptical of claims of long range reception. If you concentrate on stations within 60 miles (at the very most, and then usually only with VHF, which travels better over longer distances) and try for the ones with line-of-sight, you will have better results, although it is likely that in order to get NBC, FOX, and CBS you would have to go with a rooftop installation.

Of course, my perspective is different from many people's because I generally think that PBS is the only essential channel in a market!

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TV reception in the western part of North Carolina seems a bit strange. When you get a bit past Charlotte, you have to make a decision whether it is still feasible to receive the Charlotte channels or whether you're better off looking westward and considering stations licensed to Asheville(NC)-Greenville(SC)-Spartanburg(SC) or even Johnson City, TN. Some of the stations from Asheville-Greenville-Spartanburg and some of the stations from Charlotte have done a good job of putting translators into mountain locations such as Marion, Black Moutain, and Spruce Pine, but that area out there heading toward Asheville still seems under-served when it comes to having good OTA options.
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