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I was going to start in the attic, and then move outside....although, I have my doubts about receving anything from Jax since I am SW of Gainesville. As I mentioned before, I'm really just looking to get better reception for the Gainesville locals, and I will tinker with the thing to see if Jax is a possibility. I'll keep you posted.
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Hi Forum,

For those of you that live in the Ocala area and use DirecTV, the local HF channels were not available today. According to DirecTV Customer Service, they were to be available today the 28th., and that there was nothing I needed to do, the new HD channels would just appear in the guide.

I called Customer Service this morning and got the rest of the story! They are available, but I would have to upgrade my sat. antenna and HD receiver for about $105, together with a new two year commitment to DirecTV programming. Also, I would have to wait for about two weeks to get an installation. I don't know why they call it customer service
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I live in gainesville and can't believe the poor selection of hdtv channels in Cox's lineup. I have emailed them repeatedly about WCJB broadcasting in HD and asking why this is not added to their list of HD channels. Does anybody have any further info/insight into this? FOX is also a problem. Other markets of similar size in Florida have more channels. What is the deal with this cable company?
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Hey freak....I ordered the CM4228 and CM7777 pre-amp....according to FedEx, it should be at my house today. I'm going to be coming and going this weekend, but hopefully I'll find some time to tinker with it....I'll let you know the results early next week.
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I live in gainesville and can't believe the poor selection of hdtv channels in Cox's lineup. I have emailed them repeatedly about WCJB broadcasting in HD and asking why this is not added to their list of HD channels. Does anybody have any further info/insight into this? FOX is also a problem. Other markets of similar size in Florida have more channels. What is the deal with this cable company?

WCJB is holding out for monetary compensation for WCJB-DT retransmission which Cox does not want to pay. They have been "negotiating" this issue for almost 9 months. The only good thing is that with WCJB adding the new CW network this September (channel 20.2), needing carriage on the Cox system, it now may be in both parties best interest to finally come to an agreement.

We can be hopeful, but it is unlikely that Cox will add WOGX-DT to their system in the near future unless they begin broadcasting in 720p or 1080i. Cox would not want to use up bandwith to transmit a similar signal lacking hd content (although the digital quality would greatly improve.)
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Looks like WGFL has missed the full power deadline set for July 1 2006. I'm growing weary of waiting for CBS HD.

Anyone know when they plan on full power?
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The CM 4228 is the one I was considering. It's only ~$50 but you'll need a signal amp... another $60 or so. Would love to hear your results should you try it. Were you planning to have it outside or in the attic.

I saw a webpage somewhere that a guy used a CM xxxx in his attic to pick up stations 100 miles away. Gives me hope.

I Posted this several months ago:

I do get Jacksonville HD channels occasionally with an 8-bay bow-tie Channel Master UHF antenna that I have in my attic aimed out the East facing gable to get WUFT-DT and WGFL-DT. The direction I'm aiming also happens to be towards Jax. I pretty regularly get 4.1 WJXT-DT Ind. and 47.1 CBS. Sometimes others when skip is rolling in good. I have also received Orlando stations - mostly their WB station on 17.3 with a second 4-bay UHF antenna I have aiming SSE to get WCJB-DT and WOGX-DT. - end

The 8-bay is a CM 4228 and the 4 bay is a CM 3021. I really don't notice much difference between the two in receving channels from Jax from my attic (with preamp). I live out by SFCC and I do on occasion receive WAWS Fox from Jax, but not reliably at all. If I mounted the antenna up on a 40 - 50' mast with a preamp, I'm sure things would be different.

The CM 3021 is available from any Ace Hardware for about $25. If they don't stock it, they can get it within about a week.
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Is anybody using a cable card from cox? please post your opinions and experiences, also is there any owners of toshiba dlp owners in gainesville?
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I received the CM4228 and CM7777 pre-amp, and after putting it in the attic I wasn't able to receive any digital stations from Jax. I didn't have a whole lot of time to monkey with the aiming, and the fact that it was about 200 degrees in my attic didn't make it any easier. I did receive analog signals on channel 25 and channel 45, but I'm not sure what channel 45 is....antennaweb shows a channel 45 in leesburg, but that is 80 miles in the opposite direction that the antenna is pointing. I was receiving a very fuzzy analog picture from WAWS, but again, nothing digital. I will continue to monkey with it, but I guess ttl is far enough north and west of me to make a difference. However, I have all the gainesville area digitals locked in with full signal strength, which was really the goal anyway.
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I just checked 20-2 today and WCJB-CW is broadcasting a looped promo for CW which starts on Sept 18th.

I saw on the WOGX website (and Wikipedia) that WOGX is broadcasting a digital signal. Conflicting reports on whether it's 31-1 or 51-1. I can't seem to pick it up with my indoor antenna but I'd like to know if anyone in Gville is picking it up and if anything on there is in HD. I've read in this thread as recent as May that WOGX was not broadcasting any HD but things change. If they are, or will be soon, then I wouldn't care about picking up Jax stations anymore. With ABC, CW, and Fox, I'd be happy.
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I checked WOGX on Saturday night hoping to get the Pepsi 400 in HD, but no go. They may be transmitting a digital signal, but its not HD. I live in Putnam Co. On the Ant I have, an older smaller uhf/vhf on pole, the Jax fox 30 was dropping in and out. I have a CM3671 and a 7777 coming friday, hoping to pickup Jax, Gainsville and Orlando.
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WOGX is not broadcasting in HD.....read back a few pages in this thread and you will see some discussion of this. I believe it is the only O+O fox station to not broadcast in HD. You shouldn't have any trouble receiving WOGX from gainesville....IIRC I was picking it up with rabbit ears. I'm not quite sure how the channel mappings work, but antennaweb.org shows WOGX-DT using frequency 31....I believe they do some magic to map it to channel 51-1 to make it match their analog frequency.
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WOGX is not required to transmitt in HD and I doubt they ever will. WAWS, 1 megawatt on a 1000 ft tower is your best chance for FOX HD.
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I received the CM4228 and CM7777 pre-amp, and after putting it in the attic I wasn't able to receive any digital stations from Jax. I didn't have a whole lot of time to monkey with the aiming, and the fact that it was about 200 degrees in my attic didn't make it any easier. I did receive analog signals on channel 25 and channel 45, but I'm not sure what channel 45 is....antennaweb shows a channel 45 in leesburg, but that is 80 miles in the opposite direction that the antenna is pointing. I was receiving a very fuzzy analog picture from WAWS, but again, nothing digital. I will continue to monkey with it, but I guess ttl is far enough north and west of me to make a difference. However, I have all the gainesville area digitals locked in with full signal strength, which was really the goal anyway.

If you live in NW G'ville, aim it ENE to NE, that's the best direction I get the Jax stations from. The 4228 has a pretty wide aperture so just a general aiming is all you need really. Usually when analog 25, 17, and 30 comes in is when I start getting the digital stations. The order they show up for me (as the night comes on) is WJXT-DT, 4.n(42) and WTEV-DT, 47.n(19), then WJCT-DT, 7.n(38), WAWS-DT, 30.n(32), WJWB-DT, 17.n(34) and WJEB-DT, 59.n(44). Seems to me that I once received WTLV-DT, 12.n(13). I have never received WPXC, 21.n(24) or WJXX-DT 25.n(10) even though I've been told they are broadcasting.

You may want to try it without the preamp. Problem is you are amplifying "noise" as well as aimed directly at ch 5's tower and amplifying already strong ch 5, ch 36 (5's DT), FM stations, etc. So try it without the amp or get ch traps or a bandpass filter for just UHF.

If you are aiming it through the roof as opposed to the gable, the signal is greatly attenuated. Try aiming out a gable or mount it on the outside of the gable. You may have to go up on a pole to get reliable reception. If you have a lot of pine trees you are aiming through, they also attenuate the signal quite a bit.

Ch 45 is WYPN the local UPN station that appears on cable 10 or 11.

Good luck,

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WOGX is not required to transmitt in HD and I doubt they ever will. WAWS, 1 megawatt on a 1000 ft tower is your best chance for FOX HD.

how is your reception out in Old Town? What are you using antenna/amp wise?
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I've been using the CM 4228 and 7777 amp on a 35' tower for about 3 years now.

I'm able to pickup CBS 24-1 (10-1) in St. Petersburg, 102 miles from my location, some evenings, as well as CBS 19-1 (47-1) in Jax, 97 miles from my location.

I do pickup FOX WAWS 32-1 (30-1) some evenings as well, which is why I think you guys in Gainesville would have a good chance to receive WAWS.

The JAX IND 42-1 (4-1) has a strong signal in the evenings here in Old Town at 97 miles.
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I must be doing something wrong if you guys are picking up stations from 100 miles away. I do have a fairly long cable run from the antenna to my TV. I did "homeruns" with all my house wiring, and ran one cable into the attic with the idea of adding an antenna. So, I'd guess I have about 100 feet of RG6 Quad shield cable from the antenna to the TV. The wife wasn't too interested in helping me point the antenna, so maybe I'll haul an old TV up to the attic and try to point the thing myself. I have a bunch of oak trees that are about 40 feet tall between my house and the Jax antennas, so that could also be causing my problems.
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I've been using the CM 4228 and 7777 amp on a 35' tower for about 3 years now.

I'm able to pickup CBS 24-1 (10-1) in St. Petersburg, 102 miles from my location, some evenings, as well as CBS 19-1 (47-1) in Jax, 97 miles from my location.

I do pickup FOX WAWS 32-1 (30-1) some evenings as well, which is why I think you guys in Gainesville would have a good chance to receive WAWS.

The JAX IND 42-1 (4-1) has a strong signal in the evenings here in Old Town at 97 miles.

I'm assuming you get all four Gainesville/Ocala stations rock steady?
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I'm not sure if that was aimed at me or not, but for me....all Gville stations are rock solid.
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The only Gainesville digital station I have trouble with is WGFL low power, but even it, at 39 miles, comes in most of the time.

When they go full power I'll be solid.

Thanks to Directv I receive NBC HD and FOX HD via satellite.
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Seems to me that I once received WTLV-DT, 12.n(13). I have never received WPXC, 21.n(24) or WJXX-DT 25.n(10) even though I've been told they are broadcasting.

Although the CM 4228 has some VHF high band (7-13) ability, it was designed specifically for high gain UHF reception. If you want to get digital 25-1(10-1) or 12-1(13-1) you probably should have a seperate vhf high antenna as well.

http://www.starkelectronic.com/wya1713.htm

The 4228 is useless on VHF low channels (2-6).
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Although the CM 4228 has some VHF high band (7-13) ability, it was designed specifically for high gain UHF reception. If you want to get digital 25-1(10-1) or 12-1(13-1) you probably should have a seperate vhf high antenna as well.

http://www.starkelectronic.com/wya1713.htm

The 4228 is useless on VHF low channels (2-6).


Yes, I do realize that. Although ch 5 analog does come in perfectly - of course it also comes in with no antenna connected! The point I was making is that I have received several Jax stations and some I haven't - even UHF ones.
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Looks like WGFL went full Power Yesterday. I now have a great signal in Old Town, 28 miles West of the station.

If they went full power they are now located just South East of Newberry.
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Installed my 3671 and 7777 today. I get all the Jax stations solid as well as gainesville. I turned it to the south and get a few of the Orlando stations solid also. Its a big antenna but it works great. Thanks to solid signal.
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Looks like WGFL went full Power Yesterday. I now have a great signal in Old Town, 28 miles West of the station.

If they went full power they are now located just South East of Newberry.

Yes, they are full power.
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Hello to all - specially in/near/around Gainesville, Florida

I'm new to this forum and new to OTA HD and so I'm not sure whether or not to try and start a new thread or just pop a question into this one so please help me here.

We live about 18 miles NorthEast from Gainesville near Keystone Heights.

I recently bought a HD capab le front projector and screen and want to add OTA HD to our viewing.

I just bought a Samsung SIR-T451 HD tuner (as it was the only one in stock locally) and also an inexpensive mast, UHF antenna and "high gain signal amplifier all from Radio Shack. The amp has mast mounted unit connected to powered unit inside the house via a type6 coax 60 ft buried drop.

I am right now pointing the antenna toward the North/slightly N.East (toward Jax./Orange Park) and all I am able to receive are WUFT (36-1,2,3-Gainesville)and Channel 51 (51-1 Jax.). That's it though I keep trying slight antenna aiming differences with tuner reboot and channel scan - no improvement.

Atenna mast height only approx. 15 ft. and our house is about 40 ft from the antenna mast and antenna doesn't quite clear top of the house which I guess could be causing some signal blockage.

At about 45 miles from most station towers is the radio shack stuff "junk", do I need more antenna elevation or what?

Hate to return the tuner unless it's a known loser.

All help appreciated very much.
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It sounds as if you are in a great location to receive Gainesville and Jax stations OTA.

What networks or channels are you trying to receive?

That UHF antenna may not be the appropriate selection if you need to receive NBC 12-1(13-1) from Jax. You would need a VHF antenna as well, or a combination of both UHF and VHF in the same antenna.

What is the model# of that Radio Shack antenna?

IMHO 15 ft. isn't high enough for reception at 45 miles. I had to install my antenna 35 ft in the air before I had solid results from Gainesville at 40 miles.

Can't be a lot of tall trees or obstructions in the direction of the signals you are trying to receive.

Why don't you try to receive analog 25, 17 and 30 from JAX to see if your antenna is really working. You will be able to see the signals even if they are weak.
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Thanks for the reply. The RShack catalog number is 15-2507 and says it is a 30DB gain amp with adjustment knob with 10DB range.

When I aim toward Gainesville (approx. 25 miles) I'm getting pretty good reception of about 5 channels but nothing from Jax.

I can pretty easily boost antenna to about 25 feet by adding a couple of mast extensions but higher than that would probably require a more substantial mast.

25 feet would without question get the antenna higher than rooftops but we are blessed (or cursed) with oak trees - big ones - all over our lot and even if antenna is 10 ft above roof there are tree branches - How much attenuation can I expect from tree branches approx. 50 years from antenna? The RShack guy said trees not as much of an issue as solid object like the house.

I recall years and years ago using about a 25 ft mast getting analog tv reception in this area from as far away as Daytona, Savannah and now and then Orlando which I had hoped to achieve going HD.

All help very much appreciated as this technology is new to us and we haven't much of a clue yet.
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WCJB-CW (20-2) is broadcasting in standard definition, according to my TV. Anyone know if it will be HD by September?
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I don't think there is enough bandwidth to have two simultaneous channels in HD.
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