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For those people in Gainesville FL and the surrounding areas.

Dish Network finally picked up the local channels.. (ABC, CBS, PBS, and FOX). A super dish is required to get them.

The HD channels with an off air Antenna are ABC, CBS, PBS, and FOX.
Funny that Cox Cable hasn't added the HD feeds of ABC and FOX. Since they didn't add them I figured they weren't broadcasting HD. So I did a search on google and was surprised to find out that ABC and Fox were broadcasting an HD single.

ABC is broadcasting at channel 16 for DTV according to what I found on google. I have to wait for my Dish Network 811 to see if it is true.

Now if you have Direct TV you qualify for the FOX HD Channel since the Fox station is owned by Fox.

If anyone has any more info do post it!! (some of my info may be wrong).
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FOX Gainesville (Ocala actually) is not HD yet. We currently show only CBS and PBS in HD, but our info may not be completely up to date. There's also a good chance that some of these networks may be available OTA picking up the Orlando area stations.

I'll add this thread to the Index to try and steer more Gainesville people here. Any additional info you find out, post it here.
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If all goes as planned I should get my 811 from Dish Network this week and I already have the antenna in place, so I'll post my results as soon I get the 811 and test everything out.
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Nope, ABC is still in application mode with thier digital tower, thanks to a stupid educational company trying to get an analog channel the same as WCJB. This analog channel proposel is coming out of marianna and the proposal was dismissed but they filed an application to reconsider, when that dies WCJB can put up thier digital station. Fox is NOT in HD yet, (WOGX) I got an email from the chief engineer there and they have no idea since its all about the money. WGFL, CBS is broadcastin in HD and is on Cox cable in gainesville, but you better near gainesville to get thier station ota, because they are only running on a STA and is broadcasting at 5.5 Kw. (about 20 mile range. PBS is fully digital and fully powerful broadcasting on ch 36 with 1000 Kw. Recently in an application to the FCC, in a surprising move, they elected to keep thier uhf digital channel instead of thier analog vhf channel 5 for post dtv transition. There is no NBC in this DMA so if you have dish network, ur screwed, but if you got directv, you many not have locals on the satelite dish, but you will be eligible for DNS NBC HD. Cox cable in gainesville and Ocala carries WESH-HD on thier cable system (NBC Orlando)
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Good thing I have a waiver for CBS so I get to retain my CBS HD on Dish from NYC and my NBC want change as thats from NYC. The main difference is that I'll get Fox and ABC and the local PBS. (Non HD).

I have 30 days to return my indoor antenna from best buy so looks like might just do that once the 811 arrives.
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WCJB ABC
16-1 WCJB-HD (Is in HD right now, running on high powered STA)
20 Analog

WOGX FOX
31-1 Digital (Fully powered, but not in HD)
51 Analog

WUFT PBS
36-1 WUFT PBS SD (Note: WUFT sometimes switches the SD and HD around)
36-2 PBS-HD
36-3 PBS-You
5 Analog
720 PBS-HD (Cox cable)

WGFL CBS
28-1 WGFL HD
28-2 weather map
53 analog
728 WGFL HD (Cox cable Gainesville)

WESH NBC HD (Orlando)
722 WESH HD (Cox cable Gainesville and Ocala)

WYKE-CA FamilyNet (Citrus County)
47-1 WYKE-SD
49 Analog
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desiguy2447, what town u live in or nearby?
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I live in Gainesville.
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Another thing people can do if they live in Alachua county is get a deep range VHF antenna that will pick up WJXX (ABC HD) on channel 10 and WTLV (NBC HD) on channel 13, both stations are out of Jacksonville, which if u live around gainesville is about 60-70 miles away.
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If you live in gainesville you should be alright, WGFL has thier STA just north of town near Alachua, that station will EASILY be picked up from town. I currently live on the north end of citrus county, so there is no chance I can get the station at all, but I can get WTSP CBS HD of st pete from here (60 miles away) good with the silver sensor so its all good, lol.
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Yeah I checked out that option. I was seriously thinking of doing and mounting an UHF/VHF antenna on roof that could get the JAX ABC, NBC, and other channels.

Probably won't do it now that Dish has the digital channels. While having HD signal would rock, probably just wait for ABC and FOX to go HD.
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Here is the link to the coverage area for WGFL-DT

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=DS596811.html
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I would consider the antenna thing beacause I do not think that WCJB is going to be up and running in HD by next February (Remember, ABC carries the SuperBowl next year) so you might want to do the antenna thing anyways. I mean there goin to carry the NBA Finals and another season of the NFL that WCJB probably will not pick up. It takes a station almost a year i believe to get a tower up and running for digital, though they do have an FCC mandate to get it done by July of 2006, or lose interference protection.
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I got this email back the other day from the chief engineer from WOGX of Ocala.

Hi Jim!

I wish I had a definite answer as to when WOGX will have HD. The
engineers are working on the logistics and the "bean counters" are
figuring the costs. WOGX is the only FOX O&O station that is not
broadcasting in HD so I'm confident that will change but WHEN is the
million dollar question. Right now we have no specific timetable but
when that information becomes available, we will let people know. I now
have your email address and will do my best to keep you informed. In the
meantime, feel free to email me and ask for any updates.

JPJ

John P. Jones
Chief Engineer
WOGX-TV FOX 51
1551 SW 37th Ave.
Ocala, FL 34474
407-741-5166
jjone925@foxtv.com
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Thanks for the information. I had priced out an antenna which could pick up all of the UHF/VHF colors from that Antenna site. Can't recall the website url. Seems like it might still be worth doing so even when WCJB and FOX 51 go HD before the 2006 deadline I can still enjoy HD programing from ABC, NBC, and FOX from JAX and other nearby areas.
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Yeah that was the website...
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I think you probably will not have to worry about fox, I think sometime this summer they probably will go HD. WOGX is a fox o&o station, and they the smallest o&o in the country and the only fox o&o not in HD. They pretty have the hard part all done with the tower up and fully powered, its just a financial burden this small market station has in spending the money to the extra equipment needed to go HD, but with the addition of WOGX analog on Dish network, they cash they get from them (Dish pays locals to allow them to broadcast thier locals) maybe they can get the extra revenue to go HD. Trust me, i think they feel embarrassed they are the lone Fox o&o without hd. One other thing is if people who have Directv would be eligible for a fox hd feed. So for people in the Gainesville market, you got two choices; get your regular locals with dishnetwork and pick up all the HD locals with a big antenna, or go with directv and get fox hd (o&O) and nbc hd (DNS), then get CBS HD on an indoor antenna, and ABC.... well your on your own on that one, lol
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Yeah in my case it is FOX and ABC HD

CBS HD is from Dish Network (got a waiver long before CBS was around in Gainesville).
NBC HD will be like direct tv (DNS) once Dish goes Mpeg 4 (late 2005 or early 2006).

FOX HD should come from Dish since the station is owned by FOX like with direct tv. (Also waiting on the MPEG 4)

so mainly ABC will be the channel with indoor antenna for me!!

I have to make a decision on the outdoor antenna. Any suggestion on which brand works the best?
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Go to the antenna thread for that one, most the people on there are experts on big outdoor antennas, you probably only need a big VHF one since ABC and NBC HD of Jacksonville are on VHF http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...34#post5130634

For indoor UHF, the silver sensor is the best, it picks up UHF channels real good up to 50-60 miles
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thanks for all the information!!
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Nice to see some activity here!

Not realizing that Fox was registered for HD but not actually broadcasting (I found that out here), I picked up an antenna and OTA receiver yesterday. To be specific, I picked up a Samsung OTA receiver and the Terk 44 antenna. The Terk 44 is sat dish clip-on type of outdoor antenna rated for medium range omnidirectionial reception.

I installed the antenna this morning (I don't get sat right now, but there are two sat dishes on my roof from a previous house owner). Sure didn't seem complex. However I expected to be able to get WUFT on channel 36, WOGX on Channel 31 and WGFL on Channel 28.

I get WUFT great, at about 85% strength (BTW, I think the subchannels were listed backwards before. 36-1 seems to be the SD station). I get nothing on 31, but I now I know that WOGX is not broadcasting (if their antenna is powered up, should I be getting any signal even if there's no broadcast?).

The odd one seems to be WGFL, I'm getting nothing. Should I be? I'm on the extreme southern end of Gainesville (near I-75 and Williston Rd), but I would think that I should be able to see something, even though it's a very low-powered station. Do I need to study more about the antenna design, or go up to a stronger antenna? I'm not trying to grab the Jax stations at this point. Is anyone else able to pickup WGFL OTA?
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I'm by I-75 and the Newberry exit here in Gainesville. Yesterday I got the Samsung indoor antenna which has a 20DB powered gain on it.

Results showed that with alot of playing with the antenna that WCJB comes great, so does WUFT. WOGX comes really bad with shadows and snow and the picture varies on and off from ok to horrible same with CBS WGFL.

Like yourself I also found that WOGX shows as broadcasting in HD, but that isn't true which I also found out last night on the AVS Forums. This Samsung Antenna is getting returned to Best Buy this week.

I researched the Terk44 antenna, but then I found the Terk 38 a massive outdoor antenna which picks up all the UHF/VHF signals according to the color code.

I haven't decided if I'm going buy a big outdoor antenna just yet. Probably for now I'll be ok with local channels from Gainesville on Dish Network in SD. Since thanks to a waiver my CBS HD will still be on via Dish.
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Hmm, so WCJB is broadcasting in HD? It shows as coming on-line in August, they must be in testing.

As Fox isn't in HD and doesn't know when they will be, I doubt it's worth my time futzing w/ the antenna to try to improve reception and will probably return the equipment as well. I just wonder if I'm doing something wrong that's preventing me from getting WGFL and the others. Antennaweb.org show the Terk 44 as perfectly capable of picking of WOGX and WGFL, but I don't know if that is optimistic or not.
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WCJB is not broadcasting in HD yet. Hopefully they will come online in August or sooner. I'll probably get an antenna again once FOX (WOGX), and ABC (WCJB) go online with HD.
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Nope, that on air date the fcc gives out is just a deadline that keeps getting extended, that have had that deadline out for several years, it is worthless. The real deadline is going to be July 2006, and if they dont get it up by then, WCJB will lose interference protection.

WOGX is up and running digitally in full power, just only broadcasting in SD. Another thing is WOGX's tower is in a totally diferent spot than other towers.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=DT608224.html

WGFL is up and running in HD, but it is very low power (5.5 Kw) and it is also being broadcasted from a DIFFERENT location than thier analog channel

Digital: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=DS596811.html
Analog: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-serv...=TV254048.html

Finally, do not buy any terk antenna whatsoever, you will be disappointed. If you an antenna for gainesville, buy the Silver Sensor, its the greatest indoor antenna ever. I live in north citrus county (land of the finger and toe nail rippers) and I get WUFT in gainesville with an 80% signal even though i am 51 miles from thier tower
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Thanks for the info. I looked around and lots of folks apparently share your appreciation of the Silver Sensor indoor antenna, including it's ability to get better reception than even the outdoor Terks. Only problem is I couldn't find anyone actually selling one. Where would I look to buy one? Zenith doesn't even list it on their website.

I'm still not sure it's worth the cost of the receiver and antenna since only WUFL and WGFL is broadcasting HD, unless I can pick up Jax stations, and that's a *looooong* way off! I can always reevaluate in a year and a half.

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well zenith isnt the only brand that sells it, phillips sells the same exact one too (owned by the same company). The zenith version is sold at sears for about $40, while the philliips version is sold at SOME walmart supercenters for $28. If you cant find it anywhere amazon.com sells it under the gemini name. Personally it is worth it, even if your gonna get 2 or 3 channels right now
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Thanks for the info on the antenna. I heard Terk wasn't that good from the AVS Forum. So I shall research the Silver Sensor antenna.

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Here is the letter that WCJB sent to the FCC late last year why there are still in application mode for a digital channel

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