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OTOH, I think Verizon actually charges more money for DVR service than TWC, so a TiVO may make more sense ($ perspective) for a FiOS customer. It sure as hell (from what I read) is way, way superior to the crap TWC charges us for.

Verizon actually charges less. With TW you are paying box rental and DVR service (~$22). With FIOS you pay only $15.
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Verizon actually charges less. With TW you are paying box rental and DVR service (~$22). With FIOS you pay only $15.

Don't be fooled into thinking Verizon doesn't have a rental charge built into their pricing, they actually have to supply 2 boxes to do what one does for TWC. If 2 customers of each outfit drop DVR service, the bill goes down 11 bucks for TWC and 15 for FiOS.

That is not to say I wouldn't jump at the chance to get FiOS, but all I know for sure is they committed to wiring the city by something like 2017. And that certain commitments they have made privately about deployment are not being met... and we are reading about bad economic times have them contemplating layoffs.

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Interesting... I have a friend who lives on 10th, just west of A and he tells me Verizon says "not on that block" even though they supposedly have the area covered. Then again, he does live in a small building... and that block does not have any large buildings...

My bad for not updating my profile from East Village to Lower East Side - I only moved five blocks but I think it's technically a neighborhood change! I'm in a pretty new building on the LES.

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It's a step up in every respect except "the box".

Agree! Love the picture quality, and having NFL Network HD, but having some issues getting used to the box. Seems particularly noisy when playing back recordings compared to the old 8300HD or HDC.
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My bad for not updating my profile from East Village to Lower East Side - I only moved five blocks but I think it's technically a neighborhood change! I'm in a pretty new building on the LES.

Agree! Love the picture quality, and having NFL Network HD, but having some issues getting used to the box. Seems particularly noisy when playing back recordings compared to the old 8300HD or HDC.

I sit 10 feet from the box. The box is about 1 foot from the floor on a shelf. I find the IR a bit week compared to TW. Have to take sharpshooter aim. No discernible noise at this distance.
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I walked past 72st and Bway and thery was Verizon trucks puting cable down a manhole. Im not sure what its for. A new bulding is going up there too.Could be for Fios or ???

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I walked past 72st and Bway and thery was Verizon trucks puting cable down a manhole. Im not sure what its for. A new bulding is going up there too.Could be for Fios or ???

How many trucks? Were the cables orange?. Now the tricky question is that the cable were for that new building only. I keep telling people if you move to a new Building there is a big chance that is wired with FIOS.
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How many trucks? Were the cables orange?. Now the tricky question is that the cable were for that new building only. I keep telling people if you move to a new Building there is a big chance that is wired with FIOS.

Even if they are aiming squarely at one building, it is somewhat good news. It also means the trunk lines are in place (actually, I'm not sure if that is the exactly correct term... think of it as the fattest cables going up the avenues with nodes where smaller cables branch off to specific blocks).

And yes I know it's all optical, the "fat" was only a way to explain main and subsidiary lines.

FWIW, one of the supposed advantages of TWC here is the breadth and depth of their VOD offerings. EXCEPT for MANY years I always found TWC service of VOD to be appalling... it only worked maybe 3 out of 10 times. Thought it mi8ght relate to my old Passport software, something that got no updates for the last 2 years of it's life. So I got Craptigator forced on me and guess what? Something like 4 of 8 days it was unavailable... as in totally, not just one show or movie.

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A lot of activities on the Upper West SIde

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 96 STREET WEST 97 STREET 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 97 STREET 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 97 STREET WEST 100 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 97 STREET WEST 100 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE
EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY AMSTERDAM AVENUE WEST 67 STREET 9/2/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATION - TELEPHONE-PROTECTED


WEST 108 STREET AMSTERDAM AVENUE COLUMBUS AVENUE 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


AMSTERDAM AVENUE WEST 108 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

AMSTERDAM AVENUE WEST 98 STREET WEST 99 STREET 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY AMSTERDAM AVENUE WEST 98 STREET 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY AMSTERDAM AVENUE WEST 99 STREET 8/24/2009 9/23/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 85 STREET WEST END AVENUE 8/7/2009 9/5/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST END AVENUE WEST 90 STREET WEST 91 STREET 8/10/2009 9/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 91 STREET WEST END AVENUE 8/10/2009 9/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 90 STREET WEST END AVENUE 8/10/2009 9/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY 12 AVENUE WEST 125 STREET 8/7/2009 9/6/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 113 STREET AMSTERDAM AVENUE BROADWAY 8/5/2009 9/3/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY RIVERSIDE DRIVE WEST 78 STREET 8/5/2009 9/3/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST END AVENUE WEST 75 STREET WEST 76 STREET 8/5/2009 9/3/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

There is a lot of activities going on. I have seen the Empire city subway trucks laying the Orange cables (Fiber) on some of those street city blocks.





EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 97 STREET WEST 100 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 113 STREET AMSTERDAM AVENUE BROADWAY 9/4/2009 10/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY BROADWAY WEST 113 STREET 9/4/2009 10/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATION - TELEPHONE-PROTECTED

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY BROADWAY WEST 72 STREET 9/5/2009 10/4/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATION - TELEPHONE-PROTECTED
Someone previously mentioned that they saw verizon laying the cables on 72 and broadway. The permit above was for it.

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY 7 AVENUE WEST 120 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 86 STREET WEST END AVENUE 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST END AVENUE WEST 85 STREET WEST 86 STREET 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

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EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY COLUMBUS AVENUE WEST 83 STREET 9/5/2009 9/27/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

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EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY BROADWAY WEST END AVENUE 9/1/2009 10/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY BROADWAY WEST 107 STREET 9/2/2009 10/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATION - TELEPHONE-PROTECTED

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 100 STREET AMSTERDAM AVENUE COLUMBUS AVENUE 9/6/2009 10/5/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATION - TELEPHONE-PROTECTED

EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 85 STREET WEST END AVENUE 9/6/2009 10/5/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE


EMPIRE CITY SUBWAY WEST 111 STREET 8 AVENUE MANHATTAN AVENUE 9/1/2009 9/30/2009 01 STREET OPENING PERMIT MAJOR INSTALLATIONS - TELEPHONE
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r227...OS-Deployments

As you can see at the link, Brooklyn has its own deployment issues. A little different than Manhattan with poles front or back, with front poles getting priority over back poles.
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Ah, thanks for the update Carl... looks like everywhere around me is getting hit, but 107 & B'way is close, but I doubt I'd get my feed from there...!

Interesting they seem to be running up WEA, Amsterdam, Columbus, and even a little on RSD/Broadway. As I'm half way between RSD & WEA, I always figured my "local node" would be on WEA. As some of the ones nearest me end 10/30, my guess is Nov/Dec for a node that can branch down my block.

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r227...OS-Deployments

As you can see at the link, Brooklyn has its own deployment issues. A little different than Manhattan with poles front or back, with front poles getting priority over back poles.

Brooklyn is a nightmare. A friend of mine that works for the company told me that the Verizon engineers are afraid with Brooklyn. Now the funny thing is that Empire City Subway build and lay the fiber for Verizon In Manhattan. The whole Manhattan Island will be wired before Brooklyn.
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Brooklyn is a nightmare. A friend of mine that works for the company told me that the Verizon engineers are afraid with Brooklyn. Now the funny thing is that Empire City Subway build and lay the fiber for Verizon In Manhattan. The whole Manhattan Island will be wired before Brooklyn.

IIRC Brooklyn didn't have cable until 1990. Manhattan has had it since the late 60s. No horserace between the boroughs. The digital conversion provides no comparison since digital cable continues to use copper from the street to the box.

Verizon owns and maintains AFAIK the poles along which they and the cablecos run their lines. There is room for fiber optic cable on the poles.The sheer magnitude of the Brooklyn job, with high number of single family homes and large area is daunting but Queens is more so.
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IIRC Brooklyn didn't have cable until 1990. Manhattan has had it since the late 60s. No horserace between the boroughs. The digital conversion provides no comparison since digital cable continues to use copper from the street to the box.

Maybe that's part of the reason why TWC gave Brooklyn more HD channels than Manhattan... and gave our Brooklyn cousins discounts 2+ years before anyone in Manhattan had them.

Doesn't Brooklyn have major TWC trunks in fiber? Here, it seems it's fiber to a node, then a 500 unit branch in copper. I know I'm half a very short block from a fiber node... and that before that happened, I did not have access to RR, digital cable, and several other minor services. I had friends in the East Village that had such 2 years before I did... because TWC started the fiber process in lower Manhattan anmd worked their way uptown.

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Maybe that's part of the reason why TWC gave Brooklyn more HD channels than Manhattan... and gave our Brooklyn cousins discounts 2+ years before anyone in Manhattan had them.

Doesn't Brooklyn have major TWC trunks in fiber? Here, it seems it's fiber to a node, then a 500 unit branch in copper. I know I'm half a very short block from a fiber node... and that before that happened, I did not have access to RR, digital cable, and several other minor services. I had friends in the East Village that had such 2 years before I did... because TWC started the fiber process in lower Manhattan anmd worked their way uptown.

TW has fiber to my building, then 35 year old copper.
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Anyone here considering getting the new NFL Red Zone channel? I'm kind of disappointed at the $49.99 charge but still tempted.
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Anyone here considering getting the new NFL Red Zone channel? I'm kind of disappointed at the $49.99 charge but still tempted.


My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.
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My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.

I ended up getting it, and thought it was great. Is $49.99 pretty steep? No doubt. But it does a great job of keeping you totally updated. The only thing to keep in mind is that if you're a Jets fan like me, watching the 1pm game which is when the Jets usually play, then the Red Zone channel is not quite as useful because you're watching your own team anyway and by the time the 4pm games rolls around, there just aren't that many of them for the channel to follow.

But it's still great to have whenever there are commercials during the broadcast game at 1pm, it's just really cool to get all the updates and constantly have some kind of action on there.
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My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.

Hmmm, I thought you had to already have the $300/season package first.

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Hmmm, I thought you had to already have the $300/season package first.

That's Direct only.
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That's Direct only.

Ah, so for FiOS it's 50 bucks for the season without any other requirements? I had read one had to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber to get this "red" NFL channel.

Looks like it probably will be end of year earliest for Verizon to wire up here (not sure I get it, I think from Columbia to Lincoln Center along the WEA corridor should be very fertile ground for them) so could they get MSD HD? I would REALLY miss the Rangers (and the occasional concert)... hockey in HD seems to me a bigger "upgrade" than baseball/football.

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A lot of activities on the Upper West SIde

Hey, Berk32 posted the gov web site where one can find this info.. might you share the search terms you use?

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Hey, Berk32 posted the gov web site where one can find this info.. might you share the search terms you use?

Yeah I know the site, that is where I get all the permits from. There is not a lot activity other than Empire city subway building conduits on the locations that I posted last week.

Right now I m not worried about when I will get FIOS. I am just curious what impact TWC will do with SDV, whether they will stop compressing the channels or not.
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Ah, so for FiOS it's 50 bucks for the season without any other requirements? I had read one had to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber to get this "red" NFL channel.

Looks like it probably will be end of year earliest for Verizon to wire up here (not sure I get it, I think from Columbia to Lincoln Center along the WEA corridor should be very fertile ground for them) so could they get MSD HD? I would REALLY miss the Rangers (and the occasional concert)... hockey in HD seems to me a bigger "upgrade" than baseball/football.

There are two different but similarly named and formatted channels: NFL RedZone and the Red Zone Channel.

Red Zone Channel is owned, operated and produced by DirecTV, and as such is only available on DirecTV as part of the NFL Sunday Ticket Superfan package, which costs around $400 per season ($300 for NFL Sunday Ticket and an additional $100 for the Superfan upgrade.)

NFL RedZone is owned and produced by the NFL (through NFL Network). The NFL is shopping NFL RedZone around to any cable or satellite company that will take it. Verizon, Comcast, Dish Network and AT&T have taken it up, and they are making it available on a premium basis, Verizon a-la-carte, and the others as part of their premium sports tiers.

Both channels operate from 1pm to 7pm on Sundays, and provide live look-ins and quick-turnaround highlights of every game, as teams create scoring chances throughout the football day.

I have a PS3 now, so I guess I do have Blu-ray. ;)
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Yeah I know the site, that is where I get all the permits from. There is not a lot activity other than Empire city subway building conduits on the locations that I posted last week.

Right now I m not worried about when I will get FIOS. I am just curious what impact TWC will do with SDV, whether they will stop compressing the channels or not.

So you simply choose Empire and a range of locations?

Someone posted that while Empire may open the street to lay conduit, it was Verizon itself that laid in the fiber. Which would seem to imply that it was when Verizon laid fiber to be the "better" indicator of when it actually will be available.

I finally DID solve some of my TWC issues (signal strength, I had mistakenly thought I did not have an issue as my ingress was fine, but someone on AVS was helpful in reminding me about what I was doing AT my TV... fixed that and I'm OK) so I am not as horrendously anxious as I had been. I also think it's going to be a lot longer before it gets to me... even though I'd say the whole west side corridor around WEA SHOULD be prime territory for FiOS!

Somehow I think it might be a LONG while before TWC gets SDV actually functioning, and I'd also expect tons of trouble with it for the first 2-3 years of deployment! It's VERY possible the only reason they are doing it is to be able to deploy DOCSIS 3... that makes a TON of sense. Cablevision is there, FiOS has tons more IP bandwidth, TWC is at a fairly large competitive disadvantage.

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Long time TW customer finally able to join the FIOS club. My main concern is their DVR. How bad is it compared to the TW Navigator crap?

Any former TW converts regret the move?

Any tips or advice?

TIA

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Long time TW customer finally able to join the FIOS club. My main concern is their DVR. How bad is it compared to the TW Navigator crap?

Any former TW converts regret the move?

Any tips or advice?

TIA

The DVR is slow, the IR is weak and the Guide sucks. There is no PIP available.

I do like being able to set up a record session remotely, from any web-enabled computer or phone.

I like going to ch 49 and getting Weather Channel "Local Weather on the Eights" without waiting for the eights, 24/7.

The picture must be seen to be believed.

The internet is red hot.

I would only consider returning to TW if FIOS price became outrageous.
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The picture must be seen to be believed.

Thanks, it's all about the picture, for me.

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Thanks, it's all about the picture, for me.

I dunno, I do notice a small PQ bump after being 'gatored, but only on some very specific places. Be interesting to hear what you think... might be an idea before you switch to sample some signal strengths. Folks seeing huge PQ differences could be getting not enough signal from TWC...

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I dunno, I do notice a small PQ bump after being 'gatored, but only on some very specific places. Be interesting to hear what you think... might be an idea before you switch to sample some signal strengths. Folks seeing huge PQ differences could be getting not enough signal from TWC...

I checked my signal strength is really really good RDC Power 42 and FDC Power -1, and still the cable channels look compressed like hell. The locals look stunning though. Picture quality is the deal breaker for me, if Verizon FIOS would be available I would sign up in a heart beat.
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I checked my signal strength is really really good RDC Power 42 and FDC Power -1, and still the cable channels look compressed like hell. The locals look stunning though. Picture quality is the deal breaker for me, if Verizon FIOS would be available I would sign up in a heart beat.

the way digital works is that it either works or doesnt. a signal level of -5 or +5 will give u the same exact picture. if it is compressed at the headend, it will be compressed in your house regardless of signal level.
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