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post #451 of 13991 Old 02-15-2007, 09:38 AM
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My sister works in the call center and I sent her your post. Hopefully they will fix it.
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What I was saying is that that is what happens on my Sony - when I put in 34.1 or 9.1 I get WUSA.

Oh sorry, it sounded like you were saying the reverse when you said earlier:

"When I put in 39.1 (or any other digital ch) I get a No Signal (even tho in the menu I get the signal strength of the WJLA ch)."

So we both can key in 34.1 and get WUSA just the same as if we had keyed in 9.1, and we don't see the same for any of the other remapped channel pairs (that is, we get a "no signal" indication for them)". Well I have no clue whether this is an oddity of Sony TV sets (at least yours and mine) or something not quite right within the PSIP information for WUSA, but at least it doesn't sound like my set is defective. Good - thanks for jumping in and letting me know this!

Another matter... You mentioned earlier that you read a signal strength for ch 39.1 even when the set said "no signal". If your Sony is similar to mine, I assume you're referring to the bar graph signal strength display shown on the diagnostics screen. If so, I have to wonder about the validity of the data on that screen (signal strength, AGC %, signal to noise ratio, etc.) when the set is tuned to a channel it cannot lock onto and displays "no signal". In watching my diagnostics, it looks like the strength number is stuck at around "41" for all "no signal" channels. In general, it would be nice to know more about that screen, how it works, how accurate it is, etc., but for now I suspect it shouldn't be taken too literally.
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This was already discussed as an obvious typo. Verizon almost certainly would not be allowed to show Philly teams in the protected Baltimore-Washington markets.

As for Comcast Sports Network Mid-Atlantic HD, as far as I know, it is carried on all the Comcast systems in the Balt-Wash area that pre-date the recent Adelphia acquisitions. Comcast is just taking their time in adding CSN-MA in SD & HD to the now ex-Adelphia systems.

MASN told me that they are requiring cable companies to dedicate two receivers and channels to MASN because of the multiple conflicts during baseball season. They also told me that they had to be channels that were in a tier that at least something like 85% of the customers subscribed to, which is to say, Basic Cable.

At the very least, a cable company would have to drop another analog channel to force an opening for one full time basic MASN channel. I suspect that the cable system requirements for accommodating the second MASN channel might be negotiable by large cable systems, whereas the systems I service that only reach a couple hundred customers will be facing a, "my way or the highway" choice.
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Oh sorry, it sounded like you were saying the reverse when you said earlier:

"When I put in 39.1 (or any other digital ch) I get a No Signal (even tho in the menu I get the signal strength of the WJLA ch)."

Another matter... You mentioned earlier that you read a signal strength for ch 39.1 even when the set said "no signal". If your Sony is similar to mine, I assume you're referring to the bar graph signal strength display shown on the diagnostics screen. If so, I have to wonder about the validity of the data on that screen (signal strength, AGC %, signal to noise ratio, etc.) when the set is tuned to a channel it cannot lock onto and displays "no signal". In watching my diagnostics, it looks like the strength number is stuck at around "41" for all "no signal" channels. In general, it would be nice to know more about that screen, how it works, how accurate it is, etc., but for now I suspect it shouldn't be taken too literally.

I should have said "or any other ch besides 34.1".

My signal strength meter is not a bar but simply a number up to 100. On 39.1 it hovers around 90, the same as for 7.1. For any ch that truly has no signal it's at 41 or lower.
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MASN told me that they are requiring cable companies to dedicate two receivers and channels to MASN because of the multiple conflicts during baseball season.

Correct. On days when the Nats and O's are on at the same time, one of them will be on MASN and the other will be on MASN Plus. I suspect that MASN Plus will be dead at all other times.
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Comcast channel numbers for MASN and MASN2:

http://www.masn.tv/programming/index.cfm?ID=124

In Baltimore City, MASN 2 will be on channel 17, which is normally CSPAN2.

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Question... I am moving from Alexandria to Frederick next week. My DirecTV mover's connection won't be there to hook me up until March 2nd. Any chance I will be able to tune in some stations (analog or digital) with an amplified indoor antenna in the meantime? I don't want to miss Jack Bauer scream "DAMMIT!" any more than I have to!
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jasonblair, I'd be very surprised if you could pick up WTTG-DT or a strong analog channel 5 signal with any indoor antenna anywhere in Frederick Co. That is, unless you go to the woods of Burkittsville...
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HD is dropping out during The Office OTA on WRC.
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gtroan, which stations drop out when it is windy? Just Baltimore or do the closer major DC stations - channels 4, 5, 7, 9, 50 drop out as well? You have a good somewhat directional antenna, but do you have a rotator to tweak the aim? Also, does the antenna move much in the wind? ... A pre-amp might help with overall reception, but you probably want to get a medium boost pre-amp to avoid possible overload of the front end for the powerful DC stations.

Thanks for your input. WRT your questions, it's the Washington digital stations (4,5,7,9,26,50) that dropout. It's usally not all of them at once, however, unless the wind is very strong. They all lie between 42 and 47 degrees N except 50 that lies at 55 degrees. I rarely pick up 50.1 without lots of dropouts. I do not have a rotator. I rarely get 22.1 from Annapolis at 80 degrees with the rooftop antenna. However, I have a smaller antenna in the attic that I can go to (via A/B switch) that often picks up 50.1 and 22.1 without dropouts when there's no wind. It's pointed more to the South (around 60 degrees) than the rooftop antenna. It's still affected by the wind, though. I am not very successful at picking up any Baltimore stations with either antenna. I was hoping to find the optimum antenna to bring in everything without dropouts and without a rotator since all the stations lie between 42 and 55 degrees and are within about 10 miles. Is it likely that a better tuner that the one in the Sony WEGA could solve this problem?
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Quick question for those who already have CSN HD.

Beside the home games, is there anything else that is shown in HD, like talk shows or programs?

NFL Network HD rarely does stuff in HD, I mean what is the point? You would think for an organization with so much money and so many followers who care about the HD content they would be the first to anything that has to do with HD.
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I've never seen anything other than games shown in HD on CSNHD, and they don't even show all the FSN-HD network games in HD (certainly not college football anyhow).
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Looks like I've got the same issue here in Howard County. I used to have the channels you listed on those channel numbers on my TV, but they just stopped coming in and a rescan won't pick them up. I had posted a couple weeks ago that I lost the signal, then it came back, now it is gone again as of a few days ago.

I've been tempted to see how my TiVo S3 tunes them (as opposed to the TV's tuner) but I've got a great OTA setup going with it and I don't want to mess with it. And if I can't get reliable clear QAM from Comcast, then why bother? I do still get random ON DEMAND channels ironically enough.

I just got my HDHomeRun yesterday. This thing is the holy grail for HTPCs: Works with MCE, SageTV, MythTV, can be made to work with anything. It's a dual-tuner network device, so any number of HTPCs can share both tuners on any number of units. It can do OTA, but the real killer is the ability to remap QAM channels to ATSC. This allows systems that only support ATSC (Windows MCE) to finally use QAM!

Well, anyway, I scanned with this thing and discovered the program data now appears to be correct. 101.1 is "67-1 WMPT SD", 101.2 is "13-1 WJZ HD", etc.. Wouldn't matter if it wasn't tho, because you can set up the channel map by hand. Even found TNTHD and CSNHD in the clear. I haven't had a chance to rescan with my TV, but if it still can't find them, it must be a limitation of JVC's tuners. (From what I've gathered here, it seems Sony and Panasonic have the best QAM support.)

Even if the Tivo S3 can find them, I don't know how well it would map the QAM channels to their OTA equivalents. I thought you needed a CableCARD to make the guide work.

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Quick question for those who already have CSN HD.

Beside the home games, is there anything else that is shown in HD, like talk shows or programs?

NFL Network HD rarely does stuff in HD, I mean what is the point? You would think for an organization with so much money and so many followers who care about the HD content they would be the first to anything that has to do with HD.

SportsNite/SportsRise are also shown in HD.
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I've never seen anything other than games shown in HD on CSNHD, and they don't even show all the FSN-HD network games in HD (certainly not college football anyhow).

It is funny that you mentioned FSN HD because when I first received a letter from FiOS to let me know it is available, they had FSN HD included. After getting it and not seeing FSN HD in the line up, I called and asked about it, and they said it is only available in other FiOS markets, like Tampa and San Fransisco.
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Question... I am moving from Alexandria to Frederick next week. My DirecTV mover's connection won't be there to hook me up until March 2nd. Any chance I will be able to tune in some stations (analog or digital) with an amplified indoor antenna in the meantime? I don't want to miss Jack Bauer scream "DAMMIT!" any more than I have to!

Unless you get a reply from someone who lives next door to where you are moving, you're probably going to have to wait and see what happens. It all boils down to location, location, and location.

I live a few miles outside of Frederick and I'm up on a hill with a roof antenna and I get get everything in DC and Baltimore just fine. Not that this success will help you much as you situation sound very different, but have hope!
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SportsNite/SportsRise are also shown in HD.

They're actually WS SD.
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I should have said "or any other ch besides 34.1".

My signal strength meter is not a bar but simply a number up to 100. On 39.1 it hovers around 90, the same as for 7.1. For any ch that truly has no signal it's at 41 or lower.

I don't know how much your set and mine have in common, but it sounds like the signal strength indicator is handled slightly differently. No matter though, the more important issue was hearing how your Sony handled WUSA and channel 34.1. Again, thanks for passing that info along!
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Question... I am moving from Alexandria to Frederick next week. Any chance I will be able to tune in some stations (analog or digital) with an amplified indoor antenna in the meantime?

As others have said, it depends on excatly where in Frederick you are, and your elevation. I've gotten WBFF DT 45.1 (HD) as well as WTTG-DT 5.1 (HD) via a Silver Sensor. For me, 45 comes in stronger. According to Google Earth, my house is at 525 feet above sea level....

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MASN told me that they are requiring cable companies to dedicate two receivers and channels to MASN because of the multiple conflicts during baseball season. They also told me that they had to be channels that were in a tier that at least something like 85% of the customers subscribed to, which is to say, Basic Cable.

At the very least, a cable company would have to drop another analog channel to force an opening for one full time basic MASN channel. I suspect that the cable system requirements for accommodating the second MASN channel might be negotiable by large cable systems, whereas the systems I service that only reach a couple hundred customers will be facing a, "my way or the highway" choice.

This has to be why MTV2 is no longer on analog channel 58 in Prince George's County. Can't get a straight answer from Comcast on the topic.

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They're actually WS SD.

At least it is in WS format, that way you don't see the sidebars. I don't understand why most stations don't do that with their HD broadcast even if they don't have the HD equipment.

Fox has been doing that for the last two years with their Saturday baseball games.

The thing that killed me today was as I flipped through the channels, I noticed The View is actually in HD. Why is that stupid show, at least IMO, is in HD and ESPNEWS and Total Access on NFLN are not?
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At least it is in WS format, that way you don't see the sidebars. I don't understand why most stations don't do that with their HD broadcast even if they don't have the HD equipment.

Fox has been doing that for the last two years with their Saturday baseball games.

Please - I hope the station managers and engineers spare us from these type comments. I don't want my SD fare stretched to fit someone's 16:9 display, and lose a significant portion of the available display via station cropping. Let them (viewers) stretch it on their own it they don't mind the distortion.

We need more STB's with native passthrough. I bought equipment that senses the input signal and properly adjusts aspect ratios. I don't want to be fed a 16:9 down chopped display of a 4:3 field. My displays can upscale and display 4:3 material fine.

If it bothers you buy equipment that is more capable of displaying 4:3 material.

This is a natural consequence of many folks blindly buying 16*9 "HD" displays and not considering what those will do to the fairly more common 4*3 material - which will be around for hundreds of years.

No - I don't want a a 4:3 HD Imax movie cropped to 16:9 so please don't suggest that the stations do this.
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Please - I hope the station managers and engineers spare us from these type comments. I don't want my SD fare stretched to fit someone's 16:9 display, and lose a significant portion of the available display via station cropping. Let them (viewers) stretch it on their own it they don't mind the distortion.

We need more STB's with native passthrough. I bought equipment that senses the input signal and properly adjusts aspect ratios. I don't want to be fed a 16:9 down chopped display of a 4:3 field. My displays can upscale and display 4:3 material fine.

If it bothers you buy equipment that is more capable of displaying 4:3 material.

This is a natural consequence of many folks blindly buying 16*9 "HD" displays and not considering what those will do to the fairly more common 4*3 material - which will be around for hundreds of years.

No - I don't want a a 4:3 HD Imax movie cropped to 16:9 so please don't suggest that the stations do this.

I'm not sure if he was saying that but nevertheless I agree with you 100%!

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I'm not sure if he was saying that but nevertheless I agree with you 100%!

CSN HD is not stretching or cropping anything. They are shooting their studio shows in 16x9 SD and broadcasting them in 16X9 SD. So the proper aspect ratio remains intact.
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CSN HD is not stretching or cropping anything. They are shooting their studio shows in 16x9 SD and broadcasting them in 16X9 SD. So the proper aspect ratio remains intact.

I stand corrected if that was the approach being discussed. I just don't want stations cropping 4:3 material to fit it into a 16:9 box, or stretching it.
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Thanks for your input. WRT your questions, it's the Washington digital stations (4,5,7,9,26,50) that dropout. It's usally not all of them at once, however, unless the wind is very strong. They all lie between 42 and 47 degrees N except 50 that lies at 55 degrees. I rarely pick up 50.1 without lots of dropouts. I do not have a rotator. I rarely get 22.1 from Annapolis at 80 degrees with the rooftop antenna. However, I have a smaller antenna in the attic that I can go to (via A/B switch) that often picks up 50.1 and 22.1 without dropouts when there's no wind. It's pointed more to the South (around 60 degrees) than the rooftop antenna. It's still affected by the wind, though. I am not very successful at picking up any Baltimore stations with either antenna. I was hoping to find the optimum antenna to bring in everything without dropouts and without a rotator since all the stations lie between 42 and 55 degrees and are within about 10 miles. Is it likely that a better tuner that the one in the Sony WEGA could solve this problem?

In your earlier post, you stated that you live in Sleepy Hollow area near Seven corners and you have a Winegard 7082P VHF/UHF antenna. First, looking at the maps, you have terrain issues in that you appear to be down at a lower elevation with the 7 Corners shopping center located over a 100' higher to your NW. That is why they call the street a hollow I assume. So you are in a challenging terrain situation.

For starters, the Winegard 7082P is a good antenna but may well be too narrowbeam for your location. Check the beam patterns for the 7082p at http://www.winegard.com/offair/antennas/hd7082p.htm. The higher in channel frequency you go, the narrower the beam pattern. WDCW-DT 50 broadcasts on UHF 51 so the combination of it being off in azimuth and the narrow reception beam pattern make it difficult to pick up when the antenna is aimed at the other stations. Two of the Baltimore stations, WMAR-DT 2 and WBAL-DT 11 broadcast at UHF 52 & 59 so they are up there in the narrow beam area for the 7082p as well. But you may be blocked by terrain from picking up the Baltimore stations even with the serious long range gear such as the AntennasDirect 91XG or the Channel Master 4228 8 Bay.

What model is the smaller antenna in the attic? My suggestion would to try a broad multi-directional antenna in the attic. The Channel Master 4221 4 Bay UHF antenna performs very well in this area with all the digital stations currently on UHF. But I don't know if it has the gain you need to pick-up the stations through the trees. The switch of channels 7 & 9 of their digital signals to their analog channels in 2009 will be an issue, but let's put that aside for now (even though the CM 4221 can get upper VHF 7 to 13 stations to some extent) and get your current reception problems fixed.

What type of cable are you using to connect to the 7082p? RG-59 or good quality RG-6? If the cable is RG-59, that has higher loss than RG-6 and I would replace it.

Which model year Song WEGA TV do you have? I have seen mostly positive reports for the ATSC tuners in the Sony HD TVs. But depending on how much you want to spend, the Samsung DTB-H260F ATSC receiver STB ($180 list) has gotten high marks for improved reception in marginal conditions. But the H260F is hard to find at local stores; Circuit City is the best bet. Check the long H260F thread in the HDTV hardware reception forum.

If you have not looked at this website, do so as there is a lot of useful stuff on antennas: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/erecting_antenna.html

Good luck!
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HD is dropping out during The Office OTA on WRC.

Was doing it on WBAL, too (aside from the snow announcement periods).

It looked like it was NBC doing it because the peacock was still way down in the corner and when I zoomed the picture it still was pretty detailed.
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I stand corrected if that was the approach being discussed. I just don't want stations cropping 4:3 material to fit it into a 16:9 box, or stretching it.

LOL...now take a deep breath and calm down. NO that is not what I meant by what I said earlier.

I don't know if you have seen the morning show on Fox, it is 16x9 SD. I think Fox is cheap, but that is another subject. I heard Oprah will be doing the same thing before she goes fully HD. I don't mind that at all. It is better than 4x3 with black or gray sidebars.

I don't select the stretch option for the SD stations because I can't stand looking at it that way. Yes a lot of the old stuff will remain in 4x3 SD format, like the Seinfeld, and I will keep watching it.

P.S. you can CROP a 16x9 to 4x3 but you will STRETCH 4x3 to 16x9.
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P.S. you can CROP a 16x9 to 4x3 but you will STRETCH 4x3 to 16x9.

For 4:3 the stretch you are referring to really doesn't matter as the resolution isn't affected horizontally. What bothers is the loss of the top and bottom of the frames by cropping, unless its distorted (the stretching I was referring to, even if done intelligently).
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For 4:3 the stretch you are referring to really doesn't matter as the resolution isn't affected horizontally. What bothers is the loss of the top and bottom of the frames by cropping, unless its distorted (the stretching I was referring to, even if done intelligently).

I've never heard of any station cropping like that, it doesn't even make any sense as to why they would. Most HDTVs now give you the option of stretching, why would stations do it on their own?
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