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post #991 of 14059 Old 03-13-2007, 10:41 AM
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"Does anyone know if this could be a "broadcast issue" as they claim?"

From what you describe it does not seem to be a broadcast problem. It certainly appears to be a hardware related problem where the hardware gets out of sync. Several years ago Samsung had a problem with the sound getting out of sync on their HLN model DLP sets they finally issued a hardware fix. To me it appears the delay is different on the satellite feed and when you go back to OTA it does not re-sync.

Thanks. That's what this layman had assumed.
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The reason that the stations do it is simple: it's required by the FCC.

Most stations would do it as long as they were allowed to -- because they build their branding around their analog channel assignments.

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Not according to the sticky thread in the programming sub-forum.

According to HD Sports guide, all the first round games are in HD. In that thread, a lot of people say the same thing, that all games will be in HD, except if the station switches from its scheduled game to another game.
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Most stations would do it as long as they were allowed to -- because they build their branding around their analog channel assignments.

OK, there's that, too.

Although, I agree with the previous poster who brought up the point that things are going to wierd after the analog shutoff. People going to have to call the station to find out what channel I actually am broadcasting on, if their TV doesn't pick it up when they are auto-programming it (unless they look it up on the web).

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According to HD Sports guide, all the first round games are in HD. In that thread, a lot of people say the same thing, that all games will be in HD, except if the station switches from its scheduled game to another game.


I believe it is the other way around.

If it is a constant feed, like the Georgetown, Maryland, and GW games will be in DC, we will get upconverted SD, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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From Sue Baldwin at WUSA 9

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Thursday's games are as follows:

On 3/15/07, W*USA 9 will air the following games on our analog and
digital channels:

(same game will air on both)

Daytime Games (scheduled 12:10-7pm)

Game #1 12:20pm Maryland vs. Davidson

Game #2 2:45pm Georgetown vs. Belmont

Game #3 4:55pm Vanderbilt vs. George Washington

Nighttime Games (scheduled 7pm-12mid)

Game #1 7:10pm Duke vs. VCU

Game #2 9:40pm North Carolina vs. Eastern Kentucky

Friday's games are not yet confirmed.


Here are the Friday games according the WUSA website:

Daytime Games (scheduled 12:10-5pm)

Game #1 12:15pm - UVA vs. Albany
NOTE: Constant status is pending for this game.

Game #2 2:35pm - Notre Dame vs. Winthrop

Nighttime Games (scheduled 7pm-12mid)

Game #1 7:10pm - Virginia Tech vs. Illinois
NOTE: Constant status is pending for this game.

Game #2 9:30pm - Kentucky vs. Villanova



And most importantly:
CBS is not offering our local games as constants in High Definition. To contact their audience services department send e-mail to audsvcs@cbs.com



http://www.wusa9.com/news/news_artic...vMHUOQNueCQ%3D
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What does that constant jargon mean?

Does it mean the local game will be in SD, and the HD channel will just have something else on it (whatever the national audience is seeing)??

If so, I'm assuming that is to allow us to see two games at a time?
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No. Same game on both channels.

Constant means that the game will never be switched, even if it is a blowout. You'll see it from beginning to end.
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No. Same game on both channels.

Constant means that the game will never be switched, even if it is a blowout. You'll see it from beginning to end.

Duh, I realize that...

But what does "CBS is not offering our local games as constants in High Definition" mean?

I figure it means the local games will not be on HD, and in place of them, some other game will be?
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Duh, I realize that...

But what does "CBS is not offering our local games as constants in High Definition" mean?

I figure it means the local games will not be on HD, and in place of them, some other game will be?


Like I said before it is the same game on both channels and based on the thread in the programming forum, the digital channel will be an upconverted SD feed, even though the areas of the country that get the game non-constant will have a HD feed. So simply put, since the Maryland, Georgetown, and GW games (and possibly VT and UVA games) are "local games as constants," we will not get these games in HD and will not get a different game on the digital channel.
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The reason that constants will be in SD makes sense to me. Remember that CBS only has the ability to downlink four HD feeds at once now, and during the first two rounds, four games may be occurring at once. Most people will get a non-constant feed, and CBS will want to switch between games for those viewers. Apparently, it would be too difficult to independently switch each HD feed in a manner that will allow a constant area to view the whole game in HD, so all constants are being sent in SD to save CBS the trouble.

Maybe in later rounds, where only two games will occur at once, will there be constants and non-constants in HD.
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I mean seriously, if this is going to happen as some of you and some of the stations are saying (upconverting SD in order to get a constant feed) this is a joke. I understand the technical limitations of CBS. But really, why can't we just have the constant feed on the SD channel and the HD feed on the HD channel. When CBS switches the HD feed to another game, I can just flip to the SD channel. Am I missing something here? Does this make sense? It may be time to overwhelm WUSA with e-mails about this.
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dg28 nails it. The "constant" means that if Georgetown is beating whomever by 50, WUSA stays with it because it's a local team. I get that but for those of us that are more interested in the tournament overall than any local team, why not keep the SD feed as the constant and switch the HD feed to a closer game? Does WUSA have to have the same game on both? They didn't last year!
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dg28 nails it. The "constant" means that if Georgetown is beating whomever by 50, WUSA stays with it because it's a local team. I get that but for those of us that are more interested in the tournament overall than any local team, why not keep the SD feed as the constant and switch the HD feed to a closer game? Does WUSA have to have the same game on both? They didn't last year!


In other thread, some touched on that. Not sure - they might have to.

Otherwise, I agree with you - they could go constant on the SD channel and flex on the HD and if they flex out, WUSA could easily run a crawl on 9.1 telling people to tune to 9 if they want to continue watching the local interest game.

Yeah, it royally bites. One more reason why I'll be spending the entire weekend at a friend's house with D*. But I'll still be screwed out of watching the Maryland game in HD.
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Ok, I just fired off an email to WUSA about this. I encourage others to do so. Strength in numbers.
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Ok, I just fired off an email to WUSA about this. I encourage others to do so. Strength in numbers.

Email address?
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sbaldwin@wusa9.com

E-Mail sent. If the locals (I have rooting interests in UVA, Gtown, and GW) are not in HD, I will be really disappointed. How did WUSA handle local teams last year in the first couple rounds?

To whom it may concern,

I have just come to find out that WUSA Ch. 9 may not be showing the games of highest interest (local schools) in HD, in the Washington Metro Area. This is a horrible policy for fans of UVA (myself), Georgetown (my 2nd team), GW (my father's alma mater), UMD, and Virginia Tech. I have been looking forward to watching my teams play in HD, especially on CBS. CBS tends to have the best picture out of all networks/cable stations in HD especially for sports (NFL, SEC football, and SEC basketball). However, after reading numerous posts on local Hi-Def boards and sports boards, people are stating that our local teams are going to be broadcast as constants (despite blowouts). The fact that they are being broadcast as constants is a PLUS because we want to watch our teams all the way through. But, I believe this is the reason you are not going to be broadcasting these games in HD! This will be a great travesty and I would hope WUSA/CBS pulls out all the stops to show the premiere sporting event of the year in full HD glory! Do whatever it takes!


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I found the following link/quote off a UVA bball forum (although it refers back to an article in the Houston Chronicle).

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/4621084.html
HD compromises

Unlike last season, CBS will show every Tournament game in HDTV. The advantage is that every game will be in HDTV. The disadvantage is that stations no longer have the option, as they did last season, to show different games on standard-def and HD channels.

For example, any game assigned to KHOU (Channel 11) will air on both its standard def and its HD channel, which is Channel 31 for those of you using an antenna and channel 311 for Time Warner Cable customers.

There may, however, be an occasional wrinkle for HD purists. Texas or Texas A&M games will be "constant" games for the Houston market. HD programs, however, will be "flex" games, which means they can be switched to
another location at CBS' discretion. There seems to be a contradiction in the first and last paragraph above. The first leads one to believe stations are forced to show both, while the latter allows for switching on the digital feed.

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I sent an e-mail suggesting they go with the flex HD feed for the local teams and if the network center flexes off the local game in HD, then WUSA could switch to the upconverted SD constant transmission.
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The tri-color spread on WRC 4 is bizarre. The picture for WBAL-DT 11 in Baltimore is not doing this, so this problem is with WRC. But I'm getting dropouts for WBAL-DT, as I sometimes do, so that is not a viable option at the moment. Argh!

I'm catching up on this thread now and just getting to this section... I watched Heroes on DVR a week or so late and I was panicking at first that my rear projection had bought the farm.
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Like I said before it is the same game on both channels and based on the thread in the programming forum, the digital channel will be an upconverted SD feed, even though the areas of the country that get the game non-constant will have a HD feed. So simply put, since the Maryland, Georgetown, and GW games (and possibly VT and UVA games) are "local games as constants," we will not get these games in HD and will not get a different game on the digital channel.

Why would they do SD twice, on the regular SD channel and on the HD channel, for the same game?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Am I missing something?
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Why would they do SD twice, on the regular SD channel and on the HD channel, for the same game?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Am I missing something?

Because CBS never does that with SD programming.
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As a follow up to the issue with WUTB-DT, the station has since re-appeared correctly on digital channel 24-1. The stream also claims to be coming in at 720p.

During the primetime programming of My Network TV, the image appears to be a 16:9 video stream matted to fit a 4:3 aspect ratio. The 4:3 matted video is then stretched horizontally to fit a 16:9 aspect ratio. Unfortunately this leaves the image on the screen looking distorted because of the extra matting bars on the top and bottom that really shouldn't be that in an HD feed. On my 16:9 HDTV, the active video area has an aspect ratio of 64:27 or 2.37:1 instead of the usual 16:9 or 1.78:1 of most HD feeds. The picture quality doesn't look like 720p so I think they're simply taking a 16:9 video matted to 4:3 in SD and simply upsampling the entire 4:3 frame to 16:9 and using that for their HD feed.
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Is anyone else in the Comcast/Arlington area having issues with HD Channels tonight? Fox/CBS/NBC and ABC are completely un-watchable. Video breakups and either audio drop outs or no audio at all. HBOHD is completely blank with no video or audio but Sho/Starz and most of my other HD channels are just fine.
Comcast says there are no signal problems and they beleive it's the DVR box but I have my doubts..
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Does anybody have a scan of the new Comcast Arlington/Alexandria price list? I just moved into the area, and I remembered seeing it in my roommate's mail, but he must have thrown it out.

I'd like to make sure that my bill is adding up to what it's supposed to be, and the price list would really be helpful.

Thanks in advance!
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Wait, so people watching HD care only about the tournament as a whole, and those watching SD only care about seeing the local team? Huh?

Personally, I only care about the tourney as a whole, but why would only HD customers (< 5%) get the option of switching? That makes zero sense, besides the fact that we're a very very very vocal minority?

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Wait, so people watching HD care only about the tournament as a whole, and those watching SD only care about seeing the local team? Huh?

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Yes, I can careless if the VT Hokies game is in HD or SD I don't want to watch any other game, even it is a blowout, just in case they make a miraculous comeback. The same thing goes for UVA, but for a different reason, I want to keep watching them lose even if it is a blow out. I do care about the tournament, but first I want to see my school's game before I watch UCLA's or UNC's.
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As a follow up to the issue with WUTB-DT, the station has since re-appeared correctly on digital channel 24-1. The stream also claims to be coming in at 720p.

During the primetime programming of My Network TV, the image appears to be a 16:9 video stream matted to fit a 4:3 aspect ratio. The 4:3 matted video is then stretched horizontally to fit a 16:9 aspect ratio. Unfortunately this leaves the image on the screen looking distorted because of the extra matting bars on the top and bottom that really shouldn't be that in an HD feed. On my 16:9 HDTV, the active video area has an aspect ratio of 64:27 or 2.37:1 instead of the usual 16:9 or 1.78:1 of most HD feeds. The picture quality doesn't look like 720p so I think they're simply taking a 16:9 video matted to 4:3 in SD and simply upsampling the entire 4:3 frame to 16:9 and using that for their HD feed.

I'm not clear on what you are describing. The telenovels soaps are shot to 16:9 and are shown letterboxed on the Sd channel. If they are showing the SD version, then it would be window boxed on the HD channel. Was WUTB-DT 24 stretching the SD feed?

When I was channel surfing pass WDCA-DT 20 both on Tuesday and tonight, I noticed that they were not showing the new soaps in HD. They were upconverting the SD feed, so the shows were letterboxed. WDCA-DT 20 has been showing the My Network soaps in HD. But the movie last week that was reported to be shown in true HD in other markets was not in HD on WDCA-DT. But have they now gotten so sloppy, that WDCA-DT is not bothering to switch to the HD feed from the network?
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Anyone get a response from WUSA regarding today's games? I did not. I guess our e-mails haven't gotten us very far, but we'll find out for sure today. If they stick to their decision, which apparently is what the network is telling them to do, they are going to be overwhelmed by phone calls beginning at about 12:20pm today.

Regarding WJZ, there is nothing specific about this issue on their website (though their online guide does list the games as in HD). Maybe they'll do something different? However, I'm not optimistic since WJZ is an O&O.
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