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post #91 of 14142 Old 01-25-2007, 02:57 PM
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Well, that 7.3 material is certainly different. For now, I'd say it's a better alternative to the weather ch.
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What's the LocalPoint web address (if any)?

http://www.localpointtv.com
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Well, that 7.3 material is certainly different. For now, I'd say it's a better alternative to the weather ch.

Take a snap shot for us non-OTA people. Is it using the wxbug stuff?

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Thanks, yekim54. I've updated the list to reflect Local Point's website and make a couple of other slight improvements. Until any new developments occur, the list has been completed.

My list is equally comprehensive and easier to use than CycloneGT's list.

Improvements over the standard:

1. Easier to spot station call letters / links to their websites
2. Baltimore and Washington stations are separated into their own lists.
3. Notations on which stations will move to the VHF band in 2009
4. Notations on which stations broadcast at lower power
5. Recognizes WFDC as a Univision affiliate and not the former Telefutura affiliation
6. More links to subchannels' websites
7. No redundant numbers. For example, no notation of "6" referring to WTTG. Also, "007-02" on CycloneGT's list is labeled in mine as "7-2", etc.
8. No redundant notations of affiliation in subchannels (7-2 isn't labeled as ABC like 7-1)
9. Local Point is noted and linked
10. More colorful

Any constructive criticism to either of our lists is appreciated.
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My list goes to 11.

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I'm seriously considering having an ISF calibration done to my Toshiba 57h84 rptv. Has anyone used any of the following:

http://www.homecentric.com/video.htm
http://www.infinitesightandsound.com...ication__q.php
http://displaycalibrationonline.com/

TIA
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My list is equally comprehensive and easier to use than CycloneGT's list.

Any constructive criticism to either of our lists is appreciated.

Is "my goodness gracious, what is your problem?" considered constructive?

That first sentence comes off as unbelievably snotty. "Comprehensive and easier to use" is our decision, not yours.

Stop already!
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2. Baltimore and Washington stations are separated into their own lists.

Hey! What do you mean Annapolis is a "Baltimore area" station! We're ANNAPOLIS!
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Well, PG County folks...I was able to successfully submit an order for FIOS TV tonight via the website. Gave me a 2/7 install date.

Just a heads up, only central offices that are currently equipped for TV will be able to offer the service at this point.

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I've been watching Local Point occasionally tonight. Yeah, it's different than what I've seen before, to the point of culture shock. It reminds me of MHz, actually, with more of a local perspective.

I could only see the top half of the 9 PM legal ID. The bottom half was blocked by the video. Also, at times there were four scrolling banners on the screen at once. It was difficult to read them all simultaneously.

7-2 and 7-3 both are now pretty low-motion. Of course, stat mux would be the best option to increase HD bandwidth when needed, but that money was spent building Local Point. However, 7-3's, and especially 7-2's, bandwidth could be lowered toward 2.25 mbps video, and 7-1's bandwidth could be set in the 14-14.3 mbps video range (and the more the better). Yeah, that comes from the same guy who once suggested 30 fps 720p, but I'm sure others would support me this time, at least on this.
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I noticed some changes to the unencrypted QAM channels. While I didn't have time to check them all out, here's what I could find quickly:

103.1 NBC HD
116.1 CBS HD
116.2 FOX HD
117.10 DISCOVERY HD THEATER

ABC and PBS are still MIA. Anyone seem them?
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I've been watching Local Point occasionally tonight. Yeah, it's different than what I've seen before, to the point of culture shock. It reminds me of MHz, actually, with more of a local perspective.

I could only see the top half of the 9 PM legal ID. The bottom half was blocked by the video. Also, at times there were four scrolling banners on the screen at once. It was difficult to read them all simultaneously.

7-2 and 7-3 both are now pretty low-motion. Of course, stat mux would be the best option to increase HD bandwidth when needed, but that money was spent building Local Point. However, 7-3's, and especially 7-2's, bandwidth could be lowered toward 2.25 mbps video, and 7-1's bandwidth could be set in the 14-14.3 mbps video range (and the more the better). Yeah, that comes from the same guy who once suggested 30 fps 720p, but I'm sure others would support me this time, at least on this.

The next step is to purchase and install NetVX from Harris and replace our 10 year old Flexicoder. This will allow for dynamic bitrate shifting and MUCH BETTER encoders on the input side. The cash outlay is steep ($200K), but I the owner convinced that we need this to ensure the PQ on 7-1 is the best we can provide.

I can then pull back a little on WeatherNow an LP at night and increase them during the day. Harris can actually get (2) 720P HD streams and (1) SD stream to work in NetVX, although I ain't seen it yet.

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Thanks Robert for your innovation with 7.3 and for keeping us up to date here. Just watched for a little bit yesterday and it is definitely something different. My first comment is that it's always a good thing to see Allison Starling get more air, she's quite easy on the eyes. Substantively, the key will be to keep the information fresh and up to date. It would be a complete waste of bandwidth if the information presented was "yesterday's news." Keep up the good work.
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However, 7-3's, and especially 7-2's, bandwidth could be lowered toward 2.25 mbps video, and 7-1's bandwidth could be set in the 14-14.3 mbps video range (and the more the better).

Someday I sincerely hope there will be a concerted effort to improve HD PQ because of economic pressure. Until then, pressure will be in the opposite direction, the WOW factor will just be a fond memory, and HD Lite will reign supreme!
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I agree!


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Is "my goodness gracious, what is your problem?" considered constructive?

That first sentence comes off as unbelievably snotty. "Comprehensive and easier to use" is our decision, not yours.

Stop already!

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An Update on AA county local Fios.

I was able to order the cheapest local Fios package with the HD-DVR box. After the install, I have all local HD channels for both Baltimore and Washington, as well as all of the On demand content for the channels not included in the local package. It is a great deal for people who are only interested in HD content.
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An Update on AA county local Fios.

I was able to order the cheapest local Fios package with the HD-DVR box. After the install, I have all local HD channels for both Baltimore and Washington, as well as all of the On demand content for the channels not included in the local package. It is a great deal for people who are only interested in HD content.

Yeah, for folks that watch mainly network material (but don't want to deal with OTA) an HD DVR+local service at $26+tax/mo is a decent deal. Any "extra" clear QAM chs?
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Will Local point always been a "short story" format, or will they cover local events live? A lot of potential here. I agree that its "out of the box" thinking.

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Any chance you can make WeatherNow all Weather?

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Any chance you can make WeatherNow all Weather?

besides the news headlines in the lower left, what is not weather?

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Will Local point always been a "short story" format, or will they cover local events live? A lot of potential here. I agree that its "out of the box" thinking.


LP will never be 'an always - something'. It will evolve. What you see now is just the VERY TIP of the iceberg I have barrelling down the hill towards the viewers. The technology is so different from traditional broadcasting, it allows us to get creative with the content.

I will continue to post more as we roll out features, for certain reasons, I have to keep those close to the vest.

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LP will never be 'an always - something'. It will evolve. What you see now is just the VERY TIP of the iceberg I have barrelling down the hill towards the viewers. The technology is so different from traditional broadcasting, it allows us to get creative with the content.

I will continue to post more as we roll out features, for certain reasons, I have to keep those close to the vest.

Someone asked, but I didn't see a response yet. Is this on Comcast?
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I noticed some changes to the unencrypted QAM channels. While I didn't have time to check them all out, here's what I could find quickly:

103.1 NBC HD
116.1 CBS HD
116.2 FOX HD
117.10 DISCOVERY HD THEATER

ABC and PBS are still MIA. Anyone seem them?

As far as I remember:

83.1 PBS (WETA-HD)
83.5 ABC HD

Anyone get any other unencrypted QAM channels?
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For those of you have have been struggling with OTA reception problems within metro DC due to various multipath and interference problems I've found a solution that works in Chevy Chase/Bethesda area. I have a Winegard PR-4400 4-Bay antenna on the roof and had been trying two different tuners the Samsung SIR-T451 and an older SIR-TS360 with limited success. I just purchased the new Samsung DTB-H260F at Circuit City and it solved all my problems. Reception is great, colors are perfect, and much easier to channel surf than older tuners. Now I receive all stations within 15 mile radius perfectly without any dropouts and without rotating the antenna.

So those of you out there go out and get the Samsung DTB-H260F it'll solve most of your reception problems. Finally, I won't need Comcast cable anymore.
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Someone asked, but I didn't see a response yet. Is this on Comcast?


Not yet.

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Good news! I just checked WBAL's PSIP info, and there were no errors. I'm getting it fine in my office now. Last time I checked (lunch time) there were still issues, but now it's OK.

Mark

Added: OK, I posted too soon... I was checking something else, and it turns out that they aren't sending program guide info currently...

I know many of you have called or e-mailed over the past several days and we have not had a chance to return many e-mails or answer phones.

The problem was caused by an upgrade of our encoding software from Triveni. The new version caused issues with our Harmonics Transport Stream Encoder that caused a conflict. Although the PIDS for 11-1 and 11-2 were correctly assigned (0x31, 0x34, 0x41, 0x44) and the PMT was correct (0x30, 0x40). the Harmonic was confused by the PSI stream and encoded them as Program 1 (0x10) and Program 2 (0x20) which are not allowed anymore by the ATSC standard. Furthermore, as Program 1 and Program 2, the PIDS were incorrect.

Triveni support took several days of between phone calls and complete software changeouts correct the problem.

Some receivers were not affected, some could tune to 59-1 and recover, some went to black. An old DTC-100 worked perfectly while an Accurian wouldn't see the signal. The demodulators of course worked fine (being high-end units). Comcast and Verizon FIOS were unaffected. Comcast is OTA, Verizon is a direct MPEG-2 transport stream feed.

I hope that helped answer your questions.

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I noticed some changes to the unencrypted QAM channels. While I didn't have time to check them all out, here's what I could find quickly:

103.1 NBC HD
116.1 CBS HD
116.2 FOX HD
117.10 DISCOVERY HD THEATER

ABC and PBS are still MIA. Anyone seem them?

Thanks for the update ... I'll try QAMing a few channels this evening. Ever since I got the S3 TiVo, I don't even have cable connected to my TV directly

I DO remember getting PBS and ABC, though ... let me ee if I cana ccess my home system and tell you the date/channel assignments from abck in November/December (pre Comcast, of course) for those two ...

Here's the comprehensive list of what my TiVo's QAM tuner picked up in the first week of November before I installed the CableCards (which now hide the channel assignments) ...
Code:
100 onwards (Cable QAM)
  100s          Nothing
  101-1,2
        101-3   Fox HD                          CC
  102s          Nothing
        103-1   NBC-HD                          CC
        103-2   CBS-HD                          CC
        103-3   ABC-HD                          CC
  104s          Nothing
  105s          Nothing
        106-21to28      Music No Video          !CC
  107s          Nothing
        108-1   PPV Inset Box Top Right         !CC
        108s    VOD, Various!!!
  112s          Nothing
  113s          Nothing until ...
        113-20to33      MusicChoice
  114s          Nothing until ...
        114-19to33      MusicChoice
  114-114 Nothing
  115s Nothing

Oh - missed this section in my file ...
72-1 onwards (Cable QAM)

  72-1to14      Nothing
        72-21to25               Music No Video
  72-60,67      Nothing
  73-1to14      Nothing
        73-21to25               Music No Video
  73-67         Nothing
  74-all        Nothing
  75s, 76s      Nothing
  77-1to13      Nothing
        77-21to40               Music No Video
  77-67         Nothing
        78-2    inDemand Ad Channel
  78s (rest)    Nothing
  79s           Nothing
  80-8          Nothing
  81s           Nothing
  82s           Nothing
        83-1    PBS-HD (WETADT-HD)
  83-2to4       Nothing
  84s           Nothing
  87s           Nothing
  88s           Nothing
  92-1to13      Nothing
        92-19to33       MusicChoice
  92-14         Nothing (yes, occurs out of order, not uncommon)
  93s           Nothing
        94-1to53        Music Choice (53 chnnels!)
  94-54,61      Nothing
  95s           Nothing
Comparing it t your list - it seems NBC is unchanged, Fox & CBS have moved, PBS & CBS have vanished? Sheesh! Buy an S3 TiVo
Jokes aside - that isn't good - you should call in and complain, and let me know what number you call - I will too, to help my S3 TiVo deprived neighbors

added another section - PBS is, or was, on 83-1

*ashu*
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Harris can actually get (2) 720P HD streams and (1) SD stream to work in NetVX, although I ain't seen it yet.

That's a bunch of marketing hooey. One 720p + two 480i subs is more realistic IF you want the PQ to be good across the board.

I know that this won't get done for a long time for very understandable reasons, but if Allison Starling is easy on the eyes now, then what if she was in HD...?
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Hi folks, back again.

I originally posted my OTA woes a few days back (post #10, page 1) Based on the advice I got, I swapped out the Terk for the Channel Master 4221. Analog quality improved immediately (7 and 9 look exactly like what I get out of normal cable service), but I still receive no digital signal at any orientation/elevation.

The antenna is connected to a Sony Bravia KDL-46V25L1. Its specs include:
ATSC (8VSB terrestrial) -- ATSC compliant 8VSB

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