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Market Size.

Grand Rapids is market #39 and Flint is #66. Lansing is 112 in the DMA size ranking.

Yup, Lansing has always been mentioned on the 2nd on the new satellites, back half. I would be surprised if we had them before next winter

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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Market Size.

Grand Rapids is market #39 and Flint is #66. Lansing is 112 in the DMA size ranking.

I didn't realize Flint had that much larger of a market size. It would be interesting to see the number of HD viewers in each market.
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I didn't realize Flint had that much larger of a market size. It would be interesting to see the number of HD viewers in each market.

Flint, Saginaw, Bay City...its a pretty big market area

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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"Comcast, AT&T Rivalry Heats Up"-Link to DN story

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Boy, I sure am glad Comcast gave us the LOGO network the day after my wife and I celebrated our 37th wedding anniversary! Too bad we can't get ESPNU or BTN.
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I am still watching an awful lot of National Football League games in SD this season. Chiefs-Lions are an example. What network? Why, CBS, and only CBS. I have yet to see an NFL game in SD on Fox, NBC or ESPN this year, or last for that matter. If CBS really were the leader in HD, it seems to me they would find a way to actually broadcast games from the most profitable sports league in history in HD. If Fox can find a way to put Atlanta @ Arizona in HD, certainly CBS can put Chiefs-Lions in HD. "CBS is the HD best" is probably the second-most repeated lie by AVS Special Ed members (Jeff excepted) behind "Subchannels cause ________".
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I am still watching an awful lot of National Football League games in SD this season.

You can't be watching that many because 90.83% of NFL games this season have been in HD. Through week 16 there have only been 22 SD NFL games. There will be 3 more next week.
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Chiefs-Lions are an example. What network? Why, CBS, and only CBS.

Why CBS? Because they only have enough coordination rooms to handle 5 HD games on doubleheader weekends and 6 on single game weekends. This is a direct result of CBS being the first on the air with the NFL in HD, starting back on November, 8, 1998.

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I have yet to see an NFL game in SD on Fox, NBC or ESPN this year, or last for that matter.

Then you have not seen the 7 games FOX has done in SD this year. FOX does their SD games in widescreen, which is produced in 480i and then upconverted to 720p in LA by FOX.

These are the games FOX has done in SD:
09/16/07 Seattle @ Arizona
09/23/07 Arizona @ Baltimore
10/21/07 Atlanta @ New Orleans
11/11/07 Atlanta @ Carolina
11/18/07 New Orleans @ Houston
11/18/07 St. Louis @San Francisco
12/09/07 St. Louis @ Cincinnati

NBC and ESPN games are prime time national broadcasts and are always in HD. The last prime time national NFL game not in HD was week 8 of the 2003 season. The complexity and cost of doing 1 game each week is far lower then doing up to 8 that go to different regions.

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If CBS really were the leader in HD, it seems to me they would find a way to actually broadcast games from the most profitable sports league in history in HD. If Fox can find a way to put Atlanta @ Arizona in HD, certainly CBS can put Chiefs-Lions in HD. "CBS is the HD best" is probably the second-most repeated lie by AVS Special Ed members (Jeff excepted) behind "Subchannels cause ________".

Had it not been for the leadership of CBS in broadcasting the NFL in HD, over 5 years before FOX did their first game in HD, the transition to NFL in HD would have been much slower. CBS believed in HD and did much of the ground work in the beginning in how to produce NFL and other games in HD and get that to viewers. FOX came in late and received the benefits of having others do the early work, not to mention the lower cost of equipment at the time of their entry.
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You can't be watching that many because 90.83% of NFL games this season have been in HD. Through week 16 there have only been 22 SD NFL games. There will be 3 more next week.
Why CBS? Because they only have enough coordination rooms to handle 5 HD games on doubleheader weekends and 6 on single game weekends. This is a direct result of CBS being the first on the air with the NFL in HD, starting back on November, 8, 1998.


Then you have not seen the 7 games FOX has done in SD this year. FOX does their SD games in widescreen, which is produced in 480i and then upconverted to 720p in LA by FOX.

These are the games FOX has done in SD:
09/16/07 Seattle @ Arizona
09/23/07 Arizona @ Baltimore
10/21/07 Atlanta @ New Orleans
11/11/07 Atlanta @ Carolina
11/18/07 New Orleans @ Houston
11/18/07 St. Louis @San Francisco
12/09/07 St. Louis @ Cincinnati

NBC and ESPN games are prime time national broadcasts and are always in HD. The last prime time national NFL game not in HD was week 8 of the 2003 season. The complexity and cost of doing 1 game each week is far lower then doing up to 8 that go to different regions.



Had it not been for the leadership of CBS in broadcasting the NFL in HD, over 5 years before FOX did their first game in HD, the transition to NFL in HD would have been much slower. CBS believed in HD and did much of the ground work in the beginning in how to produce NFL and other games in HD and get that to viewers. FOX came in late and received the benefits of having others do the early work, not to mention the lower cost of equipment at the time of their entry.

That leadership should be showing up as HD on my TV screen, not blather on a computer screen. That was an SD broadcast at 1 pm this week, just like it was the week before.
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Happy Holidays to all the Lansing area guys and good reception in the New Year!

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D* added Tennis Channel HD and CSTV HD this morning

both are stretch-o-vision

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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whats up with WLNS tonight at around 11 pm?
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In Holt, they're:
109.2: NBC-HD
109.3: PBS-HD
109.14: WILX-WX
110.3: ABC-HD
110.5: FOX-HD
112.3: CBS-HD

Non-hd:
84.5: TBS
85.7: CBC
88.9: WGN
89.1: ABC
89.2: FOX
89.3: ION
89.4: PBS
89.5: MY18
89.6: NBC
89.7: CBS
89.8: CW

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I just got a TivoHD and have been playing around with QAM channels until the cablecard is installed next week. I am in the Comcast Lansing system.

After not finding the HD locals on the channels listed in the original post, I did some searching and found these assignments:

110-2 - WILX-HD - NBC Affiliate
110-14 - WILX-WX - Local Weather (SD)
111-3 - WLAJ-HD - ABC Affiliate
113-3 - WLNS-DT - CBS Affiliate

I was not able to find the HD feed for WKAR.

Any idea why these channels differ from what was previously posted? Anyone know what channel I can find WKAR on now?

Thanks,

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I received my Comcast bill today and it says channel lineup "effective January 15th 2008":

(These are all HD)
NFL
Discovery
TLC
Animal Planet
Sci-Fi
USA
TBS
Food Network
HGTV
National Geographic
A&E
FSN Detroit
ESPN
ESPN2
TNT
HD Theater
MOJO
Versus/Golf
Universal
MHD
History
CNN
HBO
Cinemax
Showtime
Starz
WLAJ
WILX
WLNS
WSYM
WKAR

The pamphlet says these changes are for Alaiedon, East Lansing, Meridian, and Wheatfield.

I was surprised to see Sci-fi HD on there. I am pleased with this lineup, especially since I can't get any sat cable.
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I received my Comcast bill today and it says channel lineup "effective January 15th 2008":

(These are all HD)
NFL
Discovery
TLC
Animal Planet
Sci-Fi
USA
TBS
Food Network
HGTV
National Geographic
A&E
FSN Detroit
ESPN
ESPN2
TNT
HD Theater
MOJO
Versus/Golf
Universal
MHD
History
CNN
HBO
Cinemax
Showtime
Starz
WLAJ
WILX
WLNS
WSYM
WKAR

The pamphlet says these changes are for Alaiedon, East Lansing, Meridian, and Wheatfield.

I was surprised to see Sci-fi HD on there. I am pleased with this lineup, especially since I can't get any sat cable.

Any chance it provided channel numbers? I'm guessing that it will continue the existing numbering scheme. I will update the first post later this week with the Comcast additions. I will be guessing on the guide IDs, so please let me know the actual listings when the channels go live.

Happy New Year to everyone in the Lansing DMA, the last year was very good for national HD in the area, hopefully 08 will bring 5.1 from WLNS, HD from My Network TV, The CW on their own transmitter and HD, and some locally produced HD broadcasts.

Hope everyone has a safe and happy New Years Eve and a very happy and successful 2008

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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Happy New Year to all. Besides Jeff's wish list, I hope there will be a nice, smooth transition to DTV in what will be the last full calendar year of OTA analog broadcasting.
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WILX was a bit delayed in getting the Tournament of roses parade in HD. I was looking up the number and they switched it over. I'm hoping for no blips like that during the NHL game today.

I borrowed one neighbor kids supersoaker to clean off my dish and another neighbors dish this morning. Couldn't get enough height and pressure to get the antenna cleaned off.

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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HD Heaven right now...

6-1 Gator Bowl
10-1 NHL Winter Classic
47-1 Cotton Bowl (Love Pat Summerall calling games)
53-1 Capitol One Bowl
ESPNHD Outback Bowl

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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WILX was a bit delayed in getting the Tournament of roses parade in HD. I was looking up the number and they switched it over. I'm hoping for no blips like that during the NHL game today.

I borrowed one neighbor kids supersoaker to clean off my dish and another neighbors dish this morning. Couldn't get enough height and pressure to get the antenna cleaned off.

That's why they should be planted on the ground if at all possible. One swipe of a broom this morning and I was good to go.
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Quick question, been searching and haven't found an answer. If I have a Vizio with a tuner built in, and I can pick up local HD channels at home in the birmingham area with the tv hooked up to the cable, will I be able to get HD channels in Michigan State dorms?
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Quick question, been searching and haven't found an answer. If I have a Vizio with a tuner built in, and I can pick up local HD channels at home in the birmingham area with the tv hooked up to the cable, will I be able to get HD channels in Michigan State dorms?

Negative, the only HD on Campus is OTA

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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Rented Surf's Up on HD On Demand tonight and the pq looked lackluster. It looked nothing like Cars or other HD I've viewed from Comcast in the Lansing area.

Anybody else have similar experience with HD On Demand with Comcast. This is actually the first pay per view I've purchased; all the other HD material I've viewed has been the free stuff but it looked great.

Thanks, Al
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Here are the channel numbers given for the new HD channels:

181 - NFL
191 - Discovery
192 - TLC
193 - Animal Planet
194 - Sci-Fi
195 - USA
196 - TBS
197 - Food Network
198 - HGTV
199 - National Geographic
200 - A&E
201 - FSN Detroit
202 - ESPN
203 - ESPN2
204 - TNT
205 - HD Theater
206 - MOJO
207 - Versus/Golf
208 - Universal
209 - MHD
212 - History
213 - CNN
215/300 - HBO
219/319 - Cinemax
223/339 - Showtime
227/369 - Starz
231 - WLAJ
232 - WILX
233 - WLNS
234 - WSYM
240 - WKAR

I do not know why the premium channels have dual channel numbers.

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Any chance it provided channel numbers? I'm guessing that it will continue the existing numbering scheme. I will update the first post later this week with the Comcast additions. I will be guessing on the guide IDs, so please let me know the actual listings when the channels go live.

Happy New Year to everyone in the Lansing DMA, the last year was very good for national HD in the area, hopefully 08 will bring 5.1 from WLNS, HD from My Network TV, The CW on their own transmitter and HD, and some locally produced HD broadcasts.

Hope everyone has a safe and happy New Years Eve and a very happy and successful 2008

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I received HD signals that were solid from ESPN HD and Discovery HD, which I assume they take off a satellite...but all of the local HD signals pixelated/broke up constantly, thus were unwatchable. Anyone else have this problem or is it local to me? I assume they take the local HD signal off antennae.
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Here are the channel numbers given for the new HD channels:
215/300 - HBO
219/319 - Cinemax
223/339 - Showtime
227/369 - Starz
I do not know why the premium channels have dual channel numbers.

The 2XX number is the HD cluster and the 3XX number is the multichannel movie cluster. (Surf through 2XX and you surf through the HD feeds. Channel up from 300 (HBOEastHD) to 301 (HBOEastSD) to 302 (HBO2EastSD)...)

East Lansing (Lansing, MI DMA) A/V enthusiast getting content from xfinity, Netflix, OTA and off the shelf-o'-discs. A 4228 in the attic is almost good enough.
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I received HD signals that were solid from ESPN HD and Discovery HD, which I assume they take off a satellite...but all of the local HD signals pixelated/broke up constantly, thus were unwatchable. Anyone else have this problem or is it local to me? I assume they take the local HD signal off antennae.

I watched all the locals OTA yesterday and they were fine. If you are getting digital breakup from MDM, it could be an issue at the headend or with your STB. Seeing that other HDs are fine, i would guess that MDM has an issue at their local encoders, getting the hd locals into QAM.

If the issue is still persisting, then call your support line and advise them of it. Hopefully others will do the same and they can track down the problem. Check with friends and neighbors that subscribe to the same services to see if its a widespread issue or if they are not having issues, it would be a bad piece of coax or splitter in your house.

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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Eight HD Telecasts Featured
During FSN Detroit's "High-Def Holiday"
High-definition televisions are among the hottest items of the holiday shopping season. Whether you're among those planning to make the switch, or are already enjoying the remarkable images delivered by HD telecasts, FSN Detroit has a special gift again this holiday season.

It's the second annual High-Def Holiday from Dec. 21-Jan. 2 on FSN HD, with eight high-definition games featuring the Pistons and Red Wings. FSN Detroit delivers 120 high-def games annually among the Wings, Pistons and Tigers, plus HD telecasts of FSN's national coverage of college football and basketball.

FSN HD is made available by cable providers Comcast, Bright House Networks, Wide Open West, Charter and Buckeye, as well as via satellite on DIRECTV and Dish Network.

Here's the High-Def Holiday lineup:
Fri. Dec. 21 � Pistons vs. Memphis, 8:00 pm
Sat. Dec. 22 � Red Wings at Minnesota, 8:00 pm
Sun. Dec. 23 � Pistons vs. Houston, 6:00 pm
Wed. Dec. 26 � Red Wings at St. Louis, 8:30 pm
Thu. Dec. 27 � Red Wings at Colorado, 9:00 pm
Sat.Dec. 29 � Red Wings at Phoenix, 9:00 pm
Mon. Dec. 31 � Pistons vs. Milwaukee, 3:30 pm
Wed. Jan. 2 � Red Wings vs. Dallas, 7:30 pm

Last of the consecutive HD broadcasts is tonight

Hopefully with the new houston broadcast center opening soon, we may see more HD from FSN Detroit.

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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We should probably start posting locations, brands and model numbers of the coupon-eligible digital boxes once they start popping up. It will be our relatives and friends coming to us who are already hooked up to ask about them.
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Last of the consecutive HD broadcasts is tonight

Hopefully with the new houston broadcast center opening soon, we may see more HD from FSN Detroit.

They better have that production center hooked up with HD boards for every one of their RSNs. Either that, or dedicate one to FSD and piss on everybody else
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We should probably start posting locations, brands and model numbers of the coupon-eligible digital boxes once they start popping up. It will be our relatives and friends coming to us who are already hooked up to ask about them.

I ordered two coupons today

It's time to give props to WLNS for the HD crawl generator!!!

Now we need WHTV to go HD and Lansing's CW to get a separate transmitter so it isn't a digital sub.
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I ordered two coupons today

I'm going to wait until the boxes start appearing in stores. The coupons are only good for 90 days.
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