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post #3781 of 7371 Old 06-11-2009, 11:19 PM
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I'm not a mindreader here. Based on the info you first provided, the news media did not get it right. You have since provided more detail, but it is personal opinion whether saying "millions" in the headline, and then defining it as houses in the text gets the point across. Some people, especially online, read headlines. There's so much information, the headline is what is memorable. And when someone says millions, the common interpretation is that they are talking about people. Even the FCC has slipped back and forth between people and houses in their live TV appearances. But three hours before my first station flash cuts, how the media got it, or didn't, is all water under the bridge. It is what it is, and they deal with what they get tomorrow.
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More fill-in translators:

WQPX wants one.
WPXI wants three.

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As expected, WHBF made the switch to RF4 this morning. My rescan won't lock it in. I called 1 888 CALL FCC. The lady said the digital signal should be as strong as the old analog. She then transferred my call to a Tier2 tech, who dropped my call. I called back and talked to a lady in Pakistan or India, LOL. She & I could not understand each other. She took my name & number & said I would receive a callback...............

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As expected, WHBF made the switch to RF4 this morning. My rescan won't lock it in. I called 1 888 CALL FCC. The lady said the digital signal should be as strong as the old analog. She then transferred my call to a Tier2 tech, who dropped my call. I called back and talked to a lady in Pakistan or India, LOL. She & I could not understand each other. She took my name & number & said I would receive a callback...............

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I installed a CM4221 on the roof when I bought my new tv a couple of years ago. I know it is UHF only, but that was what a local merchant recommended. Until I joined this forum I did not know that WHBF ch4 was going to leave UHF some day.
I dug out an amplified set of rabbit ears this morning. It won't pull in RF4 either. I will need a different mounting bracket on the roof if I install a large antenna. I'm unhappy that Ch4 decided to be different than all the other local stations.

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I installed a CM4221 on the roof when I bought my new tv a couple of years ago. I know it is UHF only, but that was what a local merchant recommended. Until I joined this forum I did not know that WHBF ch4 was going to leave UHF some day.
I dug out an amplified set of rabbit ears this morning. It won't pull in RF4 either. I will need a different mounting bracket on the roof if I install a large antenna. I'm unhappy that Ch4 decided to be different that all the other local stations.

Oh ok, unless you are like right next to the tower, you are not going to get the VHF-LO signal on the 4221.... A VHF-LO antenna is not bad online, price wise...

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Lots of complaints coming in about WWBT-DT's 6 kW channel 12 signal in the Richmond thread...

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Lots of complaints coming in about WWBT-DT's 6 kW channel 12 signal in the Richmond thread...

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I see that, lots of UHF only antennas, not cutting it at 20 miles...

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This is just the very beginning of what I predict is going to be a very bumpy road.

Buckle up!!!!
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Lots of complaints coming in about WWBT-DT's 6 kW channel 12 signal in the Richmond thread...

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Let's see;

2 UHF only antennas
1 In an analog 12 interference area
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Transmitter problems

That plus the enhanced tropo conditions in the Southeast makes for an interesting transition. http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html
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Let's see;

2 UHF only antennas
1 In an analog 12 interference area
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Transmitter problems

That plus the enhanced tropo conditions in the Southeast makes for an interesting transition. http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

I hate tropo, when trying to gauge reliable results... It is fun for DXing, but not today

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Attention:

To all who haven't noticed, there's apparently huge amounts of e-skip going on today. This is excellent news, as it means stations like WRGB and WPVI will be received under the worst possible conditions. Here's hoping the MUF gets up to the FM band!

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It's been thru the top of the FM band in some locales, and hints that 144-MHz may be hit with it as well http://www.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/ha...ath.cgi?map=na
Anyone for hi-VHF Es ?
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And now even some reports of NJ getting 162-MHz NOAA wx station(s) via Es.
http://dxworld.com/tvfmlog.html
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Why am I stuck here answering calls!?

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Why am I stuck here answering calls!?

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Uhhhhh, intern duty, that would SUCK!

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Uhhhhh, intern duty, that would SUCK!

Whoa!

There are so many who would give so much to be an intern at a network affiliate.

Please don't demean the position that he fought so hard to get!
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Perhaps then he shouldn't complain, eh?
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Please don't feed the trolls.

Congrats to everyone on the shutdown.

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Whoa!

There are so many who would give so much to be an intern at a network affiliate.

Please don't demean the position that he fought so hard to get!

I only meant today, dealing with all the people complaining, the rest of the intern stuff is a great deal for Trip!

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I'll answer posts in here tomorrow.

Having woken at 3:45, been on my feet and pacing while answering calls all day, and it now being almost 1:30, I am going to bed, even though my work on the website is not yet finished. Many apologies to any e-mails I've yet to read/respond to.

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I'll answer posts in here tomorrow.

Having woken at 3:45, been on my feet and pacing while answering calls all day, and it now being almost 1:30, I am going to bed, even though my work on the website is not yet finished. Many apologies to any e-mails I've yet to read/respond to.

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Sounds good, rest up!

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In Washington, DC, WJLA-DT ABC 7 and WUSA-DT CBS 9 moved from UHF to VHF. The inability of a LOT of OTA viewers to get those 2 specific stations is now news on WTOP radio. The anchors were just discussing this on the air, playing several complaints from people who called in. See http://www.wtop.com/?sid=1695872&nid=792. Someone from the FCC was due to be on after the commercial break to answer the questions, but from the webpage, I wonder if he/she addressed the specific issue of VHF reception. Doubt it.

The complaints for no longer getting WBAL-DT 11 at 5 kW and WJZ-DT 13 at 9.8 kW STA in Baltimore are even greater as far as I can tell. I have been unable to get WBAL-DT at all and got WJZ-DT with constant dropouts last night with Winegard upper VHF antenna at 43 miles. But I still have a lot experiments to do with antenna locations, trying to block WWPX-DT 60 on VHF 12, and taking out a pre-amp to see if I can fix the reception.
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Followup on the WTOP radio interview with Bill Lake, the DTV coordinator for the FCC. The audio clip is currently available at http://www.wtop.com/?sid=595567&nid=92. Please do not slam your head into the table or the wall while listening to his explanation of it is due to converter boxes not clearing out the channel assignment. I wonder if he even knows the difference between VHF and UHF.
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Anyone find that video as interesting and entertaining as I did?

Anyway, I decided that I wanted to cross-post this from the Roanoke thread:

"A lot of the calls I took were people who had boxes but had VHF-only antennas and couldn't figure out why it didn't work for them. I was amazed at how many people got 15-1 and nothing else, considering I'm intentionally trying to get 15-1 and fail.

There were a few people who hadn't realized they had to use the channel button on the box instead of on the TV.

The depressing ones were people who were terrain-shadowed from the UHF signals. I had two people in West Virginia call who I ended up helping get WVNS-DT 59-1 instead."

That was, of course, me talking about WDBJ. (I need to write another blog post about Friday, actually...)

And despite what people here were arguing, most of the people who I spoke to WERE elderly. "I've had this antenna on my house since the 50's and it's worked until today, why doesn't it work now?"

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I went from 36 analog station down to 6 digital station, even with a new outdoor antenna on a 30' tower and an amp, most of my analog were clear, I think they need to look at the power levels and readjust there maximum power.
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I went from 36 analog station down to 6 digital station, even with a new outdoor antenna on a 30' tower and an amp, most of my analog were clear, I think they need to look at the power levels and readjust there maximum power.

It makes absolutely no sense to go from 36 clear analogs to just 6 digitals. There's something wrong there. I'd suggest starting by trying it without the amp, just in case you're overloading the box/tuner.

By any chance are you waaaay out in the boonies, or in the mountains or something? It could be you were getting your signals from translators, and a lot of those didn't transition. They might still be there.
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I'm 50+ from most transmitters. I get nothing without the amp. I get a signal just not enough to lock onto. Most of the transmitter are over a mountain range 1200' I get a VHF 7 from 70 miles most of the time. I never had a problem with the analog vhf at 100kw to 300kw or the UHF at 2500kw to 3500kw.
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