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post #4381 of 7370 Old 08-04-2009, 09:55 PM
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From the VHF file:

Looks like the bank is learning their lesson.

KSWT-13 wants to boost power from 20 kW to 50 kW. KHGI-13 wants to boost power from 8 kW to 19.8 kW.

Finally, KCWX has asked for a fill-in translator... on channel 8... in Austin. I'm not sure I understand the logic, but there you go.

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KCWX's original choice for its full-power DT was Ch 8, but KTBC in Austin objected since its DT was going to revert from Ch 56 to 7 there. Austin has its own CW net now so KCWX was dropped from CATV carriage there. Belo "manages" them thru KENS, and KVUE in Austin is another Belo propery. What with the level that KIII-DT-8 Corpus often has in here maybe just as well they ended up with DT-5. All very strange.
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New documents showed up in the ECFS.

First of all, yet another proposal to reallocate channels 5 and 6 to FM radio. I need to read through it when I get some time.

WPBN's PRM showed up. It doesn't say anything unexpected.

Finally, WWAZ's NPRM to move to channel 5 got three different sets of opposing comments, including WGVK-DT 5 right across the Lake. This might throw a wrench into WLS's channel 44 petition.

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KNAZ was FINALLY issued an NPRM for channel 22.

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You posted this before I got the Daily Digest... Not fair.

AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS, FLAGSTAFF, ARIZONA. Proposed channel substitution for station KNAZ-TV from channel 2 to 22. (Dkt No. RM-11453 08-110 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 08/04/2009 by NPRM. (DA No. 09-1755).

The FCC really put them to task to justify staying on 22. Despite all the VHF fallout, the FCC still seems to care more about contours and coverage on paper vs. the real world. If mobile DTV hadn't been made an issue, what would have happened?

Speaking of which, mobile DTV has been showcased in LV on UHF, when all the networks are VHF there...
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Finally, WWAZ's NPRM to move to channel 5 got three different sets of opposing comments, including WGVK-DT 5 right across the Lake. This might throw a wrench into WLS's channel 44 petition.

So, a station, 126 miles away, that is silent on 44 due to financial hardship could prevent WLS/ABC Chicago from serving viewers adequately. Nice.
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So, a station, 126 miles away, that is silent on 44 due to financial hardship could prevent WLS/ABC Chicago from serving viewers adequately. Nice.

Sounds like a good time to solve the financial hardship ... WLS buys the station and proposes a change that won't negatively affect anyone else.
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I finally got all of the little tuners that I'll be mailing off to collect data for RabbitEars, and they come with this crappy, almost useless antenna. For giggles, I went ahead and hooked it up to my laptop, which has a custom version of azap to check for signal.

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WDBJ-18 - 6 dB
WWCW-20 - 18 dB
WDRL-24 - 3 dB
WSLS-30 - 6 dB
WSET-34 - 16 dB
WPXR-36 - 2 dB

That was just in a random position without moving the antenna. I was amused that WDRL was actually stronger than WPXR. I wonder if it's due to a higher noise floor due to WUNP-DT 36 behind me.

I might play with it some more. I also might play with the Silver Sensor. I want to see if I can get WVIR with an indoor antenna from here. I know it's powerful on the roof antenna if it's aimed that way.

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So, a station, 126 miles away, that is silent on 44 due to financial hardship could prevent WLS/ABC Chicago from serving viewers adequately. Nice.

If the license is active, even with a Silent STA, as far as the FCC is concerned, there is a station there that has interference protection.

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What about the laggard stations such as the Barrington former low-banders that have yet to make moves to increase power beyond 100 kW on UHF? Would it possibly hurt to send 25 kW of raw power up the coax? Class C FMs use 20 - 25 kW input levels regularly. Is a small market class C FM station more profitable than a small market network affiliate TV? Maybe running the full 1 MW is too costly, but 400 kW ERP shouldn't be too much to ask...400 kW would get 90% the coverage of 1 MW for about half the electric bill.

The issue is probably not so much the electric bill as it is the capital cost of buying the higher powered digital transmitter -- needless to say, a 25 kw DTV transmitter costs quite a bit more than a 25 kw FM transmitter.

Also, the same nominal output power from a UHF digital TV transmitter requires quite a bit more input power than does an FM transmitter -- as a result of differences in efficiency at UHF versus VHF, as well as the difference in waveforms between ATSC digital and analog FM. A 10.5 kw UHF ATSC transmitter from Harris requires 56.7 kVA (solid state, Harris Diamond Series), whereas a 10 kw FM transmitter from Bext only requires 18 kw (HS 10000 solid state, hot swappable MOSFET broadband). So the electric bill for the digital TV station would be roughly triple that of the FM station, even though the transmitter output power is roughly the same.
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The issue is probably not so much the electric bill as it is the capital cost of buying the higher powered digital transmitter -- needless to say, a 25 kw DTV transmitter costs quite a bit more than a 25 kw FM transmitter.

Point well taken. However, one would think the sub 100kW UHFs would move on getting replacement translators to at least cover loss areas in their DMAs. And Barrington is heading in that direction with WPBN in Traverse City

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KNMD and KKTV approved.

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KNMD and KKTV approved.

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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I), SANTA FE, NEW MEXICO. Changed station KNMD-DT's post-transition DTV channel from *9 to *8. (Dkt No. 09-110 RM-11542 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 08/04/2009 by R&O. (DA No. 09-1757).

POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I), COLORADO SPRINGS, COLORADO. Changed station KKTV(TV)'s post-transition DTV channel from 10 to 49. (Dkt No. RM-11541 09-111 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 08/04/2009 by R&O. (DA No. 09-1758).

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We believe the public interest would be served by substituting DTV channel 49 for DTV channel 10 at Colorado Springs. According to Gray, it receives a substantial amount of interference on channel 10. In addition, numerous viewers throughout the KKTV(TV) service area are experiencing reception problems inherent with high VHF digital channels in certain markets. Operation of the proposed channel 49 facility will increase the population predicted to be served by the station by almost a million persons, resolve the VHF reception problems experienced by present viewers and improve the possibility for future service to viewers using hand-held and mobile devices.

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New documents showed up in the ECFS.

First of all, yet another proposal to reallocate channels 5 and 6 to FM radio. I need to read through it when I get some time.
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Related to that, "The Broadcast Maximization Committee (BMC), in a communication to the FCC dated Aug. 5, has formally requested an "emergency freeze" on filings for operation of digital low power television transmitters, including translators, on either Channel 5 or 6."
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Related to that, "The Broadcast Maximization Committee (BMC), in a communication to the FCC dated Aug. 5, has formally requested an "emergency freeze" on filings for operation of digital low power television transmitters, including translators, on either Channel 5 or 6."

So, considering that most of the full-power low-VHF DTV are on those two channels
http://www.qsl.net/wa5iyx/lovesavd.htm
more $ for stations (who haven't already decided to bail out of the band for other reasons). Perhaps a way for those ex-NTSC Ch 6 folks to get an audio outlet back on.
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Once again, nothing interesting from the FCC...

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Nope. Just some more low-powered stations.

WNEP is in the midst of flipping much of their translator network to digital. I've already added the listings from all the ones they announced on their website as converting this week and next to RabbitEars.

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Just got an e-mail back from WWMT's engineer, and it turns out they were at 16 kW and now are at 25 kW. That isn't double the power, and didn't require any FCC authorization.

I wish news departments at least tried to understand what was going on.

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WHDH's request for permanent operations on 42 has reached the next step.

AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS, BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. Proposed channel substitution for station WHDH-TV from channel 7 to 42. (Dkt No. RM-11552 09-142 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 08/05/2009 by NPRM. (DA No. 09-1770).
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I wish news departments at least tried to understand what was going on.

Why start now and ruin such a long-standing tradition?
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WWAZ replied to all comments involved.

They're linked off my channel change page.

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Hello Trip,

Do you have the informations on proposed realocating channel 5 and 6 to FM broadcast band, so I need the ECFS number so I can read it?

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Look at the Minority whatever under PRM09MB. That's the one I was looking at. I still haven't read it, and I doubt I will.

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Trip,

I try typing the PRM09mb, and FCC's website saying there is no file exist....

The FCC's website is a mess and confusing, can you post a direct link this way it would be very helpfull for me and others?

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WWAZ replied to all comments involved.

They're linked off my channel change page.

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And WWAZ has a solid case for all 3. How fast the FCC will say "sorry, Charlie" to the other guys remains to be seen.

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Did you type it in all caps? The ECFS is case sensitive; has to be PRM09MB in all caps.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=7019934448
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=7019934449
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And WWAZ has a solid case for all 3. How fast the FCC will say "sorry, Charlie" to the other guys remains to be seen.

I wish WWAZ had decided to move to 6 instead of 5 solely because of the interference potential to WGVK.

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