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Speaking of channel changes, yesterday's FCC daily digest included a voluntary transfer of control grant to Nexstar for transferring control in Evansville, Indiana of WTVW, channel 28 from Nexstar to Mission Broadcasting and transfer of control of WEHT, channel 7 from Gilmore to Nexstar.

Effectively Nexstar traded a "more desirable" channel 28 for a "less desirable" channel 7.

Why would they do that???

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Given that Mission is a shell corporation for Nexstar to illegally own two stations in a market, they didn't trade it away but rather they now control both.

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Aha. Now I understand... Thanks, as always, for the clarification Trip.

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Given that Mission is a shell corporation for Nexstar to illegally own two stations in a market, they didn't trade it away but rather they now control both.

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Just like in Terre Haute, IN, Nexstar owns WTWO (NBC) & shell company Mission Broadcasting owns WAWV (ABC). Terre Haute only has 3 commercial licenses to the market, & this is a duopoly that needs to be broken up. If the FCC knew about Nexstar owning Mission Broadcasting, then how did they allow a duopoly like this? The FCC has been questioning Granite Broadcasting & their shell company, Malara with owning WPTA (ABC/CW) as Malara & WISE-TV (NBC/Fox/MNT) as Granite in Fort Wayne, IN & KDLH (CBS/CW+) by Malara & KBJR-TV (NBC/MNT) by Granite in the Duluth, MN market.
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Why would the FCC care? They're too busy planning the extinction of broadcast television to worry about who's going to control those licenses for the final few years.


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Given that Mission is a shell corporation for Nexstar to illegally own two stations in a market, they didn't trade it away but rather they now control both.

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Sinclair owns WNAB( CW ), WZTV( FOX ) and WUXP( MyNetwork ) in Nashville.
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Sinclair has agreed to buy the Freedom Broadcasting group of stations, including our own KFDM here in Beaumont, Texas for $385 million. This will also give them a duopoly in West Palm Beach, Florida.

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Looks like Mission Broadcasting is now HQed in Westlake, OH (Cleveland suburb):

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/119/119426.html

They were in another Cleveland suburb, Brecksville, and started life in the spare room of a house in Sharon Center, OH, about a 2 minute drive from where I used to live. The local paper did a profile of them, which is the only reason I know that ("Major TV company in guy's spare room").

They own no stations here, though the link above indicates that former Cleveland TV executive Dennis Thatcher is now their COO.
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AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS, MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA. [WNCF] Substitution of channel 31 for channel 32 at Montgomery. (Dkt No. 11-137 RM-11637 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 11/04/2011 by R&O. (DA No. 11-1863).

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-11-1863A1.pdf
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WLJC-7 wants 185 kW. Good luck with that one.

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I'd like to see their justification for asking for more power than a high-VHF station is even permitted...
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They cite 73.622(f)(5), the same rule WBNS cited when they requested 1700 kW. We saw where that one went.

I imagine it will ultimately be amended to 160 kW.

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Let's try this again (if my SWBell/AT&T DSL doesn't keep dropping out ...)

If your area has U Verse (Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX does but its only Internet and they havent rolled out U Verse to every CO yet and they cannot advertise it if its not available in a major % of the area and they have to offer 2 out of 3 features from what I have been told)...and you can check at att.com to see if it IS available (look at Broadband, NOT DSL using your address or phone number), you can get your DSL pricing adjusted..I got my 3MB DSL at $35 kicked up to 6MB and the price knocked DOWN to $24.95 month (the U Verse price) just by calling ATT and saying I wanted the 6MB but didnt want to pay $100 for their "special" modem (DSL II)....sooooo keep that in mind...I just saved a lot of money on my DSL by NOT switching!
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In reviewing a number of recent power increase applications (such as KRIV/Houston's app for 800 kW from 300 kW), Section 73.622(f)(8)(i) is cited as the reason for exceeding ERP caps.

Now that things have really settled down from the transition and this thread can sustain some more activity, how about a "Big Dummy's Guide for Untanging FCC Legal Speak"?

Here are some discussion starters:

1). What's the history behind the largest station exemption? Was there one facility that wanted to exceed the limits that served as the initial test case?

2). How can the largest station be determined without ambiguity? I seem to recall that here in Dallas, WFAA was cited by one applicant and KDFW was used by another applicant.

3). And how the "largest station in the market" determined in first place since it presumably had to exceed the ERP/HAAT caps to attain that lofty status?
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3). And how the "largest station in the market" determined in first place since it presumably had to exceed the ERP/HAAT caps to attain that lofty status?

The largest DTV station in a market is usually a station that began life as a VHF analog station, maximized their DTV facilities, and pushed out the DTV contour the full 5 miles that was allowed. In order to do so, the DTV channel needed to be clear in most directions so that additional interference did not occur.

In spite of the 5 miles extension, most stations found that DTV does not cover as well as analog. In my opinion, the likely reasons are;
1. Viewers often watched analog pictures well below 28 db s/n ratio; the minimum signal strength that was assumed to be adequate.
2. Difficulty optimizing a DTV antenna because the digital signal strength meter in an HDTV is slow to respond and isn't as effective as the obvious visual improvement of an analog picture.
3. Multipath issues that invalidate the predicted s/n values.
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1). What's the history behind the largest station exemption? Was there one facility that wanted to exceed the limits that served as the initial test case?

Remember that the limit on UHF power is actually 365m 1000 kW. With the sliding scale that is in place, this means that without 73.622(f)(5), a 610m high facility would be capped at 316 kW. It wouldn't make sense in the world of digital to artificially limit power based on what a station's analog coverage was. This would be particularly true in places where one of the big four networks was now on UHF for one reason or another.

The transition gave smaller stations the opportunity to increase coverage, and in fact the original table of allotments had floor values that stations' assigned power levels did not go below (1 kW low-VHF, 3.2 kW high-VHF, and 50 kW UHF).

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2). How can the largest station be determined without ambiguity? I seem to recall that here in Dallas, WFAA was cited by one applicant and KDFW was used by another applicant.

I have a list of stations ranged by largest amount of area covered:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.ph...est=maxcontour

But I don't think you actually need to use the largest station. As long as you can demonstrate that at least one station in the market is larger than your own, then you would be in the clear regardless.

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3). And how the "largest station in the market" determined in first place since it presumably had to exceed the ERP/HAAT caps to attain that lofty status?

Tower Guy pretty much got this one. Since 100 kW VHF analog covered more ground than a 5000 kW UHF analog, when the digital assignments were handed out, many of those 100 kW VHFs were granted 1000 kW UHFs (or VHFs exceeding normal power limits) to attempt to replicate analog coverage as well as possible.

Here are the original allotments, courtesy of Doug Lung: http://www.transmitter.com/FCC98315/chanplan.html

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AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS (LINCOLN, NEBRASKA). Proposed substitution of channel 15 for channel 51 at Lincoln, Nebraska for station KFXL-TV. (Dkt No. 11-192 RM-11646 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 11/21/2011 by NPRM. (DA No. 11-1924).

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...-11-1924A1.pdf
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Sitting on the various petitions to move from VHF to UHF, but jumps to make the wireless companies happy within a week.

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AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS (LINCOLN, NEBRASKA). Proposed substitution of channel 15 for channel 51 at Lincoln, Nebraska for station KFXL-TV. (Dkt No. 11-192 RM-11646 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 11/21/2011 by NPRM. (DA No. 11-1924).

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...-11-1924A1.pdf

Isn't the FCC trying to get stations OFF of 51 to placate mobile companies?
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Yes. It's a petition to move KFXL from 51 to 15.

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Isn't the FCC trying to get stations OFF of 51 to placate mobile companies?

Yes, they are, and LPTV stations on channel 51 have been jumping ship for several weeks now. They aren't entitled to any compensation for switching. As far as I know, this is the first full-power station to jump.
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Yes. It's a petition to move KFXL from 51 to 15.

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Yes, they are, and LPTV stations on channel 51 have been jumping ship for several weeks now. They aren't entitled to any compensation for switching. As far as I know, this is the first full-power station to jump.

I know there's a FP channel 51 in Memphis but I'm not sure if they have made a request to move yet. Really haven't kept up on it.

I wonder how long before the mobile companies say they need channel 50 vacated then 49 etc etc. Seems as if they can get the incetive auctions they'll just get the spectrum piecemeal. After all what is just ONE channel.
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Greensboro NC has a full power 51 (1000 kw at 2000 ft) that hasn't requested a move yet.

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KDTV in Fremont CA is FP on 51 (476KW at about 3000'). There's no channel they can move to besides low VHF.
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Low power stations, because they're secondary services, can be forced off channel 51, which is why many are leaving now. Full power stations, OTOH, are primary services and cannot be forced to move off channel 51 (for now).

If KDTV were forced to move, it looks like channel 22 is the only channel available outside of low-VHF. Or maybe the FCC needs to come up with a way that TV services can use channels adjacent to land mobile. It's bad enough that channels 16 and 17 are taken out of service, but 15 and 18 too? But then if channels adjacent to land mobile could be made usable, then why not channel 51?
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KDTV in Fremont CA is FP on 51 (476KW at about 3000'). There's no channel they can move to besides low VHF.

And the FCC doesn't really care to be honest. As long as at&t and Verizon get their spectrum.
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Are there any markets that have no remaining analog low power stations? Whick market was or might be the first to be 100% digital?

In Bakersfield we still have 8 low power analog stations. We have 7 low power digital stations.

Is Barstow still "the land time forgot" when it comes to digital tv? Last I heard they still have analog translators of the major Los Angeles stations. Does anyone know if Barstow is still an all analog city? Any other city somewhere in America that is still stuck in the 20th century?
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Are there any markets that have no remaining analog low power stations? Whick market was or might be the first to be 100% digital?

There's quite a few. In my market the last analog LP went digital over 18 months ago.

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