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The FCC wants co-channeling in adjacent markets because they don't want anyone to watch out of market stations. It's all about DMA, DMA, DMA!!!

That has nothing to do with DMA. Repacking the number of stations necessary demands more co-channeling. The TV band will become nothing but a mess of interference in many markets that people will not want to put up with and will cause people to purchase services from the wireless companies to watch their programs. That is what the FCC is after. To destroy FREE OTA TV as we know it for the financial benefit of certain wireless companies. Cronyism. Plain and simple.

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The FCC has started trying to figure out how to clear stations off of channel 51. See here. http://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?c...est=list&sort=

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Good Luck with finding another frequency for WTAE, Pittsburgh. They would'nt be on channel 51 if another 1 Megawatt frequency was available.
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Good Luck with finding another frequency for WTAE, Pittsburgh. They would'nt be on channel 51 if another 1 Megawatt frequency was available.

They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?
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They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?

Too close to WFXP.

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I'm curious as to why WKEF in Dayton was not on the list of stations having to change channels
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I think the list was only a beginning.

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They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?

According to a search on Trip's Rabbit Ears website it appears that channels 27 & 31 are the only open UHF frequencies for a full service station. Channel 31 would require the FCC to dispose of KDKA's application for a fill-in translator and who knows if either are suitable for a million watt ERP.
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And it looks like WEPX Greenville has petitioned to relocate from channel 51 to 26. No paperwork yet.

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Well with the incentive auctions 51 was going to go away anyways. The FCC might not get 120 MHz like they wanted but they'll get something.

At least one of the six stations on channel 38 or higher in Pittsburgh has to either go to low VHF or go out of business and channel 14 and 18 (Land Mobile) have to be made available for television repacking rather than spectrum auctions for there to be even a slight chance of the FCC recovering channels 31-51 in the area and that's without considering what it will take to recover spectrum in adjacent markets. Three of the stations that would have to be moved are maximum power major network affiliates.
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Wow, the FCC wasted no time. I hadn't found the documents for WEPX in PRM12MB, where I would have expected them to be, so I decided on a whim to try looking for recently-assigned docket numbers... sure enough, the FCC already assigned it a docket number, 12-130, and I found the documents there.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume...?id=7021919921

I'll be keeping an eye out for an NPRM any day now.

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Wow, the FCC wasted no time. I hadn't found the documents for WEPX in PRM12MB, where I would have expected them to be, so I decided on a whim to try looking for recently-assigned docket numbers... sure enough, the FCC already assigned it a docket number, 12-130, and I found the documents there.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume...?id=7021919921

I'll be keeping an eye out for an NPRM any day now.

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26 is actually a better channel, but I doubt seriously with that short tower that WEPX will gain as many viewers as they think, especially with all the trees around eastern NC.

This whole wireless business is garbage. Elites looking to suck more out of the sheep.
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Anybody have any idea what's the status and holdup on the WNCT Greenville NC request to move to UHF ?? It's been over a year and a half since they submitted the application......wonder if FCC is waiting on repacking fallout or is it dissent from other stations ? Wonder where and when they will end up ?


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Anybody have any idea what's the status and holdup on the WNCT Greenville NC request to move to UHF ?? It's been over a year and a half since they submitted the application......wonder if FCC is waiting on repacking fallout or is it dissent from other stations ? Wonder where and when they will end up ?


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Look in the Greenville, NC thread. There is the explanation of why no channel changes nationwide (not just WNCT) have been granted.

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Here's a good paper on DTV repacking.

http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022112024

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Thanks !

It never fails....i ALWAYS read the Greenville HD thread first, then pop over here......EXCEPT yesterday......i got it backwards.....posted the Q here before checking the Greenville HD thread. I checked over there afterwards and I saw the new answers-- DOH !!! Sheesh...sorry guys.....but thanks for the heads up and links, really appreciate it !! Yeah, I've read the FCC papers. Thanks again...

Yup....Repacking freeze as i suspected......sad.
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Check out Trips blog post on Rabbitears.info for some really good ideas and insight into what should be done with radio and broadcast TV. I hope the message he sends in is heard.
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By the end of this month, the Federal Communications Commission will vote on proposed rules governing a planned 2014 auction that will allow over the air TV stations to surrender their “free TV” channels in return for money from the nation’s wireless phone companies looking for more mobile broadband spectrum.

http://stopthecap.com/2012/09/11/fcc-prepares-to-sacrifice-free-over-the-air-uhf-tv-channels-for-lucrative-wireless-auctions/

 

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Are apps for new TV translators frozen as result of the repacking freeze? (I think they are, but not sure)

Are apps for on-channel TV boosters frozen as well?

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New translators were frozen long before the latest freeze.

DTS is allowed as long as it doesn't expand the contour, but I'm not sure why anyone would build anything right now knowing it may need to be replaced again in a few short years.

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During the DTV transition period, I tried to keep up with related news. I have a Winegard HD-8200 antenna that I use with great success. During the transition, I watched VHF stations go to UHF, and then a few of them rolled back to vhf.

Anyway, after a recent storm, I found myself in the market for a new telescoping antenna mast. I spoke earlier today with a vendor that informed me that the combination uhf/vhf antenna would soon be obsolete because in 2014, all VHF band would be free of television signals. Since I hadn't kept up with the latest FCC mandates, I hated to argue. In addition, he is in the antenna business, and should be well aware of what's going on.

I've got to know if it's true. Are we soon losing the VHF channels again? Sorry if I missed it in this thread.
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No, the VHF band itself isn't going anywhere, but some of your previous posts indicate that you are in the Tri-Cities DMA. If that is correct, both WCYB and WJHL have petitioned the FCC for permission to move from VHF to UHF, which would clear off the VHF band in your market. As of yet, the FCC has not acted on those petitions and does not appear to be in any hurry to do so.

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I believe it is the UHF band that may be reduced when the repacking issue is resolved.
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I believe it is the UHF band that may be reduced when the repacking issue is resolved.

That is correct. The VHF band is even more worthless to the wireless companies than is it to TV broadcasters.
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No, the VHF band itself isn't going anywhere, but some of your previous posts indicate that you are in the Tri-Cities DMA. If that is correct, both WCYB and WJHL have petitioned the FCC for permission to move from VHF to UHF, which would clear off the VHF band in your market. As of yet, the FCC has not acted on those petitions and does not appear to be in any hurry to do so.

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Thanks Trip. That is interesting becasue I thought that WJHL wanted to stay on the vhf band. I'm also in the Knoxville and Asheville markets, so it will be interesting.
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WLOS, WKNX, and WBIR will be on VHF for the foreseeable future and have not petitioned to move. Just WCYB and WJHL have petitioned, but the FCC has not acted on those petitions so you should assume they will continue to be on 5 and 11 for the foreseeable future as well.

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In a related note, WBTW in Florence, SC had requested to move from RF13 to UHF. If that were to happen, some have speculated that WLOS would be able to modify its RF13 signal to better serve Upstate SC. Their current directional pattern protects WBTW and creates a null in the Greenville-Spartanburg area. Meanwhile, WLOS supposedly has plans to add translators to correct this problem. But I use rabbit ears and a preamp in the attic and get WLOS just fine, although not as strong as WSPA on RF7.
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Well, I guess we made it. Today is the fourth anniversary since the Analog cut-off of 2009. It's sad to say that we'll probably see these channel changing again in the next few years.
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On the 5th anniversary of Analog Sunset, we're seeing longtime TV stations heading off into the sunset. KHAS-TV ch 5, both RF and virtual, in Hastings NE, will go dark tonight at midnight. It's NBC programming will move to subchannels of KOLN 10 Lincoln, KGIN 11 grand Island and the .1 of KSNB 4 Superior (lincoln)

More to that story today on the Omaha thread. Will this be a trend that will accelerate, given the FCC's recent stance on limiting duopolies?

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On the 5th anniversary of Analog Sunset, we're seeing longtime TV stations heading off into the sunset. KHAS-TV ch 5, both RF and virtual, in Hastings NE, will go dark tonight at midnight. It's NBC programming will move to subchannels of KOLN 10 Lincoln, KGIN 11 grand Island and the .1 of KSNB 4 Superior (lincoln)

More to that story today on the Omaha thread. Will this be a trend that will accelerate, given the FCC's recent stance on limiting duopolies?
And continuing with the theme of deceased TV stations, now with Sinclair executing two in Birmiingham AL and another in Charleston SC, is this thread a proper place for a Roll Call of Deceased Network Affiliates Circa 2014?

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