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Doug Lung has written some interesting articles in TV Technology on the N+/- 3,4 DTV into DTV issues.

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These are interesting as well :

FCC Report Reveals More Potential Interference, by Charles Rhoades ...

Concern Over Interference Continues (Another Charles Rhoades Column)

FCC report(PDF) - Interference rejection Thresholds of Consumer digital Television Receivers Available in 2005 and 2006

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ATSC A/74 established non-mandatory "Guidelines" for adjacent channel (etc):
http://www.atsc.org/standards/practices.html

Some of these were stipulated as REQUIREMENTS for CECB boxes:
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/frn..._technical.htm

Fol. articles discuss Image Rejection, Adjacent Channel EMI and related AGC control:
http://www.eetasia.com/ARTICLES/2006...URCES=DOWNLOAD
http://www.rfdesignline.com/howto/207100201

Note that original analog TV definition of "Taboo" channels was based on difficulty
rejecting the image...14-15 and 7-8 channel positions away:
http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/dtv-tvtx.html
http://www.danalee.ca/ttt/appendices.htm
[Search for "taboo" to find "Whatever happened to Channel 1".]

With DTV the definition of "taboo" channels no longer has any "prohibited" meaning....
it simply means a channel with an arbitrary channel offset....they are ALL "adjacent"....
some further away than others....

And for co-located transmitter groups, it is very common to see a station use a
single antenna structure for adjacent NTSC & DTV channels.

ACTUAL performance documented in the FCC OET report (post above) shows HDTVs
were much more susceptible to adjacent channel EMI out to +/- 7 than "theoretical"
input filter bandwidths would imply....and +/- 2 was sometimes worse than adjacent.
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This is for the UK, which I would think have different taboo channels, being 8MHz wide instead of our 6 MHz channels. So, I wouldn't think 5 & 9 apply in our case?

For U.S. IF (center) freq of 44 MHz, taboos are 7(+) x 6 Mhz = 42(+) MHz
and twice that for 14(+) x 6 MHz = 84(+) MHz.

For 8 MHz in U.K., "typical" IF freq is 36+ MHz, "taboos" would be 6 and 12.
For lower IF freq, the "taboos" are lower....and vice versa....
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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO. Proposed to substitute DTV channel 45 for DTV
channel 46 for station KWHD-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11447). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA No.
08-1494). MB




POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
SOUTH BEND, INDIANA. Proposed to substitute DTV channel 46 for DTV
channel 48 for station WHME-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11439, 08-102). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1501). MB



POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
SHREVEPORT, LOUISIANA. Proposed to substitute DTV channel *24 for DTV
channel *25 for station KLTS-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11455, 08-118). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1487). MB


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AMENDMENT OF SEC. 73.622(I), FINAL DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENT, TV BROADCAST
STATIONS (GREENVILLE, NC). Proposed change of station WYDO-DT's DTV
channel from 14 to 47. Comments Due: 30 days from date of publication in the Federal Register. Reply Comments Due: 45 days from date of publication in the Federal Register. (Dkt No. RM-11465). Action by:
Chief, Video Division. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1588).
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Good for KLTS, Shreveport. I hope the FCC rules in their favour.

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TV Technology Email Newsletters :: Doug Lung's RF Report

53 Stations (So Far) Ask for New DTV Channels

by Doug Lung, 7.03.2008
Doug Lung is regional vice president of technology for a major station group.

Last week I reported on the large number of applications filed in the period between the lifting of the FCC freeze on DTV coverage expansion and the June 20 cut-off date. In the CDBS files updated July 2, 53 petitions for rulemaking were filed by stations requesting a new DTV channel. More channel change requests may have been filed but not yet made it into CDBS.

The FCC is moving quickly to process the petitions. Wednesday, three notices of proposed rulemaking (NPRMs) were released for filings the FCC said warranted consideration.

LeSEA Broadcasting of Denver’s request to move KWHD-DT to channel 45 is covered in the NPRM in Docket 08-106, RM-11447. KWHD-DT requested the change to allow it to maximize. It was unable to maximize on Channel 46 because of predicted interference to Class A TV station KSBS-LP on Channel 47 in Denver.

The FCC issued an NPRM in Docket 08-102 RM-11439 for another LeSEA petition. This one requested substitution of DTV Channel 46 for WHME-DT’s Channel 48 in South Bend, Ind. The move allows WHME-DT to increase its interference-free service and provide a DTV signal to 546,558 people. On Channel 48, WHME-DT was unable to maximize due to interference to WAQP-DT and WBME-DT, both on Channel 48.

Louisiana Educational Television Authority (LETA) filed a petition requesting DTV Channel 24 for KLTS-DT instead of its allotted DTV Channel 25 in Shreveport, La. The FCC NPRM in Docket 08-118 RM-11455 says LETA requested the channel change to allow it to use its topmounted analog antenna, which is on Channel 24. The NPRM notes, “If Channel 24 is substituted for digital Channel 25, LETA will be able to use the topmount antenna currently used for its analog station, thus avoiding the costs and logistical challenge of replacing this antenna with a new antenna.”

Based on the number of entries in CDBS, I expect to see many more NPRMs released soon. The deadline for filing comments is 30 days after publication in the Federal Register with reply comments due 45 days after publication in the Federal Register. For a listing of all of the requested channel changes, download the dtvdb.zip file containing the dt20080702.xls spreadsheet. Use your spreadsheet’s auto-filter feature to show only file prefix BPRM and look for applications with file numbers beginning with 200806.


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TV Technology Email Newsletters :: Doug Lung's RF Report

DTV Station Status

by Doug Lung, 7.03.2008
Doug Lung is regional vice president of technology for a major station group.

DTV Station Status per FCC CDBS – July 2, 2008

LICENSED (LIC) 1248 (+4)
CONSTRUCTION PERMITCP) 693 (+9)
CP Modification (CP MOD) 297 (+10)
STA (All variations - authorized) 1015 (-0-)
STA (Modifications) 161 (-0-)
APPLICATIONS (minus rule making and channel/service elections) 1015 (+660)

Rule making - Digital channel changes
PENDING APPLICATIONS 70 (+53)
GRANTS 156 (-0-)

Final DTV Facilities Only (dtv_type = “posttran” or “both”)
CONSTRUCTION PERMITCP) 509 (+23)
CP Modification (CP MOD) 99 (+21)
APPLICATIONS (minus RM and elections) 777 (+661)
(Change from June 18, 2008 listing)


Note: These totals do not include digital class A TV, low power TV or TV translator entries. The total will be greater than the number of DTV stations as some stations have licenses, construction permits and applications on file. Some stations also have licenses, construction permits or applications for backup facilities (auxiliary broadcast). Subtracting the STA Modification number from the number in STA (all variations) will give a more accurate indication of the number of DTV stations operating under STA, although STA records sometimes remain in the CDBS long after the licensed facility is operational. Entries with the call sign “TEST” are not included.

A spreadsheet (dtvdb.zip) showing all DTV entries (including digital LPTV and translator) in the FCC CDBS TV engineering database files as well as a spreadsheet (tvdb.zip) showing the entire TV engineering database (large file—more than 2 MB) extracted from the CDBS will be available at www.xmtr.com/fcc/. The July 2, 2008 spreadsheets are available for download now.

Your comments and story leads are always appreciated! Drop me a note at dlung@transmitter.com.


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Thanks for the links to the articles. A lot of stations asked for new channels and to maximize their post-transition ERP. Do you think the FCC or those in the industry who follow such things were expecting this many channel change petitions and maximize power filings? Lot of filings and petitions to work through while the clock is ticking towards the February 17 deadline. I'm surprised that 53 stations want to change their post-transition channel with less than 8 months to go. The more DT stations that can be at maximized ERP or a better channel assignment on February 18, the better the odds are that the transition won't be seen as a complete disaster in the mainstream press or by the public.
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Thanks for the links to the articles. A lot of stations asked for new channels and to maximize their post-transition ERP. Do you think the FCC or those in the industry who follow such things were expecting this many channel change petitions and maximize power filings? Lot of filings and petitions to work through while the clock is ticking towards the February 17 deadline. I'm surprised that 53 stations want to change their post-transition channel with less than 8 months to go. The more DT stations that can be at maximized ERP or a better channel assignment on February 18, the better the odds are that the transition won't be seen as a complete disaster in the mainstream press or by the public.

I don't know about the "industry" but I have always thought that at least post transition, you would see many want to change.

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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO. Proposed to substitute DTV channel 45 for DTV
channel 46 for station KWHD-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11447). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA No.
08-1494). MB



Musical channels, anyone?

The holders of the CP for a new digital TV station in Greeley, CO had successfully petitioned to change their channel from channel 45 (which was approved in the original 2004 rulemaking that created this channel) to channel 38. That, in turn, is allowing KWHD to move from 46 to 45...

So, who wants channel 46 in the Denver metro area?
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Nobody. KWHD wants off of 46 because there's a Class A station on 47 that needs protection. Any station that attempted to use 46 would have its power limited by that CA station.

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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I),
WITTENBERG, WISCONSIN. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 50 for DTV
Channel 31 for Station WFXS(TV). (Dkt No. RM-11468, 08-136). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA
No. 08-1600). MB




POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
FREEPORT, ILLINOIS. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 23 for DTV
Channel 41 for Station WIFR-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11467, 08-135). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/01/2008 by NPRM. (DA
No. 08-1599). MB




POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 38 for DTV
Channel 26 for Station KTCI-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11450, 08-117). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/02/2008 by NPRM. (DA
No. 08-1491). MB




POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I),
SCRANTON, PENNSYLVANIA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 50 for DTV
Channel 49 for station WNEP-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11457, 08-125). Action by:
Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/07/2008 by NPRM. (DA
No. 08-1601). MB



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Where are you getting the NPRMs? I'm not seeing them. WBRA-DT has a filing number but I have yet to see an NPRM for it...

I plan to file comments.

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Where are you getting the NPRMs? I'm not seeing them. WBRA-DT has a filing number but I have yet to see an NPRM for it...

I did some digging at the FCC web site over the weekend and found this notice page for 2008: http://www.fcc.gov/Document_Indexes/...MB_Notice.html. I will be curious to see how or if the FCC handles the conflicting requests for UHF 51 from WETA-DT PBS 26 and WWPX-DT Ion 60.
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Thanks.

Clearly WETA-DT gets it, because WWPX-DT's proposed site is improperly spaced to WDCW-DT 50. Their engineering statement doesn't even mention it.

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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I), CASPER, WYOMING. Proposed substituting DTV Channel *6 for DTV Channel *8 for Station KPTW(TV). (Dkt No. RM-11451). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/07/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1624). MB DA-08-1624A1.doc DA-08-1624A1.pdf DA-08-1624A1.txt


POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I), INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 16 for DTV Channel 20 for Station WHMB-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11440). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 06/30/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1500). MB DA-08-1500A1.doc DA-08-1500A1.pdf DA-08-1500A1.txt

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Yesterday, the FCC granted two new CPs for new stations. Both are owned by the Word of God Fellowship (that's Daystar).

One is for DT-03 in Apalachicola, FL. The station will transmit from near Panama City with 45 kW aimed entirely to the southeast toward the city of license. Most directions will receive 0.1125 kW. Nobody in Panama City is receiving that signal!

The other is for DT-51 near Spokane, WA. It looks like it will transmit from the same site as most of the rest of the Spokane stations.

DT-03. I wonder if that means the only goal is cable carriage, nothing OTA. Or if they plan to get it reassigned in the future.

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Another Florida DT-03: WSBS-DT Key West. 45 kW ERP, 99% of the coverage area is over Florida Bay and the Atlantic Ocean...

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Yesterday, the FCC granted two new CPs for new stations. Both are owned by the Word of God Fellowship (that's Daystar).

One is for DT-03 in Apalachicola, FL. The station will transmit from near Panama City with 45 kW aimed entirely to the southeast toward the city of license. Most directions will receive 0.1125 kW. Nobody in Panama City is receiving that signal!

The other is for DT-51 near Spokane, WA. It looks like it will transmit from the same site as most of the rest of the Spokane stations.

DT-03. I wonder if that means the only goal is cable carriage, nothing OTA. Or if they plan to get it reassigned in the future.

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TV Fool is not showing FOX for ZIP 78572 in McAllen TX. Checking Rabbit Ears I see FOX is on display channel 48.3 KNVO. Thanks Trip. Is this unusual to place a major network on a sub-channel?

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The problem is that Mexico's digital transition is slated for 2022, and so many Mexican stations do not or cannot operate digitally. XHRIO-TV 2 is one of these. They have no digital allocation to my knowledge.

However, XHRIO is being operated by the same company that owns KNVO-DT. So what KNVO did, since they are not doing HD, is they chose to carry Fox-HD on the digital signal of KNVO-DT 48.

It is a rather unusual setup, but I can't say I'd argue with it! =) I'm rather curious how they jammed three SD subchannels into it though...

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TV Fool is not showing FOX for ZIP 78572 in McAllen TX. Checking Rabbit Ears I see FOX is on display channel 48.3 KNVO. Thanks Trip. Is this unusual to place a major network on a sub-channel?

Not unheard of; up the road in Laredo, KXOF's (Class A Fox affiliate) digital signal is on a subchannel of Univision affiliate KLDO.

Both situations are similar in that the stations share the same owner, Entravision, who also own KNVO in McAllen.

On the border, I suppose this makes sense: operate a Mexican or Class A transmitter that doesn't have to go digital next February (to keep your Mexican viewers), and provide the digital signal on another station's frequency so people who have DTV receivers aren't left out. But you'd hope Entravision would get on the HD bandwagon at some point...
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I don't think any of the Spanish networks do HD yet, actually. Entravision has to wait on Univision to get on board with HD before they can do HD.

I'm surprised though that Entravision isn't using one or more subchannels on XETV-DT in San Diego for something else. They could put XHDTV (My Network TV) on a subchannel, for instance.

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I was thinking more in terms of Entravision's Fox affiliates, rather than Univision.
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From what I heard, Entravision is doing Fox-HD on KNVO-DT. I've heard no reports from KLDO-DT in Laredo though...

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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I),
BAINBRIDGE, GEORGIA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 50 for DTV
Channel 49 for Station WTLH-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11469). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/07/2008 by NPRM. (DA No.
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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I),
BISMARCK, NORTH DAKOTA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel 17 for DTV
Channel 16 for Station KBMY-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11466). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/09/2008 by NPRM. (DA No.
08-1630). MB




POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I),
WILLISTON, NORTH DAKOTA. Proposed substituting DTV Channel *51 for DTV
Channel *11 for Station
KWSE-DT. (Dkt No. RM-11470). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 06/30/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1633). MB


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POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. SECTION 73.622(I), CASPER, WYOMING. Proposed substituting DTV Channel *6 for DTV Channel *8 for Station KPTW(TV). (Dkt No. RM-11451). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 07/07/2008 by NPRM. (DA No. 08-1624). MB DA-08-1624A1.doc DA-08-1624A1.pdf DA-08-1624A1.txt

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TV Fool is not showing FOX for ZIP 78572 in McAllen TX. Checking Rabbit Ears I see FOX is on display channel 48.3 KNVO. Thanks Trip. Is this unusual to place a major network on a sub-channel?

Some small markets have setups like this. Hannibal, MO-Quincy, IL-Keokuk, IA has ABC on the CBS station's subchannel, and its NBC station has Fox and CW on subs.

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was looking for info about WMDT and if i'm reading it right it looks like analog 47 will be cut off on 12/15/08. Does that mean the digital signal will move from 53 to 47 on that date? Also will the coverage area be bigger or smaller than the current coverage on 53?

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BD = 45
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