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Starting a new thread since I didn't see one for the Eugene/Springfield area... hopefully I didn't just miss it when I looked.

I recently bought DirecTV and an HD antenna since D* doesn't carry my locals in HD. I was receiving all of the channels I expected (CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, and OPB) until Wednesday when Fox suddenly cut out on me. I get no signal whatsoever anymore. This is after Fox being one of my strongest signals. Has anyone else in the area been having similar problems? I sent an email to KLSR (Fox) to see if they have a known problem with their transmission, but I have yet to hear back.
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I just heard back from my local Fox affiliate and here's what they had to say:

We had some sensors fail in the digital transmitter causing it to shutdown. Fed Ex has just delivered the replacement sensors (5 minutes ago). I hope to get back on the air late this afternoon.

Mystery solved! I feel a lot better knowing that it's not my antenna that was/is the problem.
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What kind of antenna are you using to pick the local HD stations. After punching my info into antennaweb I see that I'm only 3 miles or so from all of the transmitters and everything is in the UHF range. This makes me think I can get away with a simple dish antenna from Radio Shack. Any insights on antenna choice?
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I'm using a pretty basic indoor TERK antenna, HDTVa is the model #, and it works well. I'm about 6 miles from the furthest station I'm interested in. It can be a little frustrating at times having to move the antenna around as I jump from one channel to another, but in general I can get all of the locals with it in just one position.
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Do you have any tall trees or buildings around you?
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Well opb has done it again now they have a .4 channel now the channels are like this
.1 PBS HD
.2 OPB SD (new)
.3 CREATE
.4 OREGON CHANNEL (may change format soon)
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I have a QAM Enabled TV Tuner card and I get All the regulars without the need for Antenna. As well as about 4-5 Home shopping networks, PBS, Create, Logo as well as a few others.

This is through Comcast.
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I'm able to receive digital signals from PBS, NBC, CBS and FOX, but I cannot seem to find ABC (KEZI). I live in Albany and I'm using a ChannelMaster 4228 pointed toward what I believe to be the correct compass direction (157 degrees). I really want to get KEZI's digital hi-def signal...Lost is coming in less than two weeks! Anyone have any suggestions?
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I'm able to receive digital signals from PBS, NBC, CBS and FOX, but I cannot seem to find ABC (KEZI). I live in Albany and I'm using a ChannelMaster 4228 pointed toward what I believe to be the correct compass direction (157 degrees). I really want to get KEZI's digital hi-def signal...Lost is coming in less than two weeks! Anyone have any suggestions?

I'm having the same problem with KEZI. I live in Eugene and I checked out AntennaWeb and I'm pretty sure I've got everything set to what it recommends for it. Does yours say that it should be a yellow uhf antenna? I'm wondering if we might need green? Let me know if you find a solution. It might fix my problem too and I'll tell you if I figure it out.
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I haven't solved the problem yet (still can't receive digital 9.1 or 9.2), but I think I may have narrowed it down. According to the map on hdtvmagazine.com, KEZI is broadcasting their digital signal with a miniscule 13.5 kW of power. That is half (or less) than every other Eugene station. Compare that to the Portland stations which are all at 1000 kW! Hopefully they can upgrade their equipment soon...
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Sorry, I forgot to actually answer your quesiton. From here, antennaweb calls for an antenna with a yellow rating. If KEZI doesn't increase their power output, I may try an amplifier. A friend has one I could borrow before I buy. I'll let you know what my results are. Good luck.
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I realize this is OLD but Im still having this problem with a powered antenna. I can pickup everything but KEZI. Anyone able to pick it up yet?
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Anybody in Corvallis getting ota HD from Eugene?

If so, what equipment are you using and what channels are you getting?

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I was in Eugene this week and while there helped my sister in law set up a converter box. When we could not receive KEZI we called the station. Their engineer said they would be at LOW power until the morning of the 17th and at that time they would transition to full power. I didn't think to ask what full power was for them. Good luck if you do transition on the 17th I will be back down to reset several sets for family.
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I live in Vancouver WA NE about 30 miles NE of the Portland towers and can receive all the local stations with an outdoor antenna. The rumor of the hour is that we may not transition until June.

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As far as I know, all the stations in Eugene/Springfield will transition on 2/17. The only one(s) I'm not sure of are KLSR/KEVU - the big 3 and PBS have all come out and stated they are sticking with the original date. KVAL and KEZI will drop down to their analog frequencies (VHF Hi) and their signal strength will increase - check TVFool.

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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Kezi: at 1:35 AM Tuesday morning we begin Digital at full power on Ch 9.
KVAL: decided Thursday to make the switch on June 12 instead of Feb. 17.
KMTR: has decided to continue transmitting its analog television signal until June 12th.
KLSR-TV: has chosen to proceed with the turn-off of its analog transmitter on the original date of February 17, 2009. unknown time as of this post
KEPB: plans to delay its switch to digital-only broadcasting until June 12
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Weren't the Eugene stations on the list from the FCC last week that were told they could not shutdown analog yet? Or was it just some of them. There was a list of over 100 stations/markets that were told not to late last week.

From: http://www.fcc.gov/
"On February 11, 2009, the Commission released a Public Notice, FCC 09-7, identifying 123 stations which had indicated their intention to terminate analog service on February 17, 2009, and whose early termination was determined by the Commission to pose a significant risk of public harm. These stations were located in Designated Market Areas (DMAs) in which all of the major network-affiliated stations in the market would be terminating their analog service on February 17, 2009, or in individual communities within the larger DMAs where there would be a similar loss of network service."

Look in the center of the page near the top and it is on the date 2/13/2009. The Eugene and Coos Bay stations are listed in Appendix A and Appendix C. Eugene/Coos Bay were the only Oregon markets I noticed in the list.
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Apparently KEZI and KLSR gave the best cases for shutting down their analog. I mean, KEZI's DTV signal was so low power that it was hard to pick up outside of town, and KLSR is a much smaller-scale enterprise than everyone else.

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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i forgot to post this on TUE but forgot
I am in albany near the freeway and have not been able to see kezi or kmtr prior to the 17th.
now i can see kezi but i still cannot see kmtr here is a list of what i see from my location for PORTLAND and EUGENE
KATU 2.1,.2
KOIN 6.1
KOAC 7.1,.2,.3,.4
KGW 8.1,.2
KEZI 9.1,.2
KOPB 10.1,.2,.3,.4
KPTV 12.1
KVAL 13.1,.2
KNMT 24.1,.2,.3,.4,.5
KEPB 28.1,.2,.3,.4
KRCW 32.1,.2
KLSR 34.1,.2
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KEZI flashed over to their analog frequency on 2/17. KMTR is still running analog 16 and digital 17 - hopefully you will be able to see it after the final switch 6/12.

You must have a good outdoor antenna - your TVFool shows those stations at -73.7 to -90.2! Do you get any of the translators they show?

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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KMTR had an equipment/configuration problem that was fixed recently. I could not tune in 16.1 or 16.2 on my Tivo HD for over a month until they found the problem and fixed it (they apparently worked with Tivo engineers to figure it out).

Now I cannot tune in KLSR 34.1 or 34.2 on my Tivo HD. Two sets of 34.1 and 34.2 channels appear in the channel list, one set on freq. 34 and the other set on freq. 31. I can tune in the freq 31 set, but that set doesn't have guide data. The freq 34 set has guide data but the Tivo can't tune in those channels.

Anyone else with Tivo having trouble recording 34.1 and 34.2?
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KMTR had an equipment/configuration problem that was fixed recently. I could not tune in 16.1 or 16.2 on my Tivo HD for over a month until they found the problem and fixed it (they apparently worked with Tivo engineers to figure it out).

Now I cannot tune in KLSR 34.1 or 34.2 on my Tivo HD. Two sets of 34.1 and 34.2 channels appear in the channel list, one set on freq. 34 and the other set on freq. 31. I can tune in the freq 31 set, but that set doesn't have guide data. The freq 34 set has guide data but the Tivo can't tune in those channels.

Anyone else with Tivo having trouble recording 34.1 and 34.2?

that issue was fixed today your tivo might need to make a connection to fix this issue but it is fixed tribune was thinking there was a CP issued for klsr for dt on ch 34 also ch 9.1,.2 had the same problem except they actually moved channels

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KEZI flashed over to their analog frequency on 2/17. KMTR is still running analog 16 and digital 17 - hopefully you will be able to see it after the final switch 6/12.

You must have a good outdoor antenna - your TVFool shows those stations at -73.7 to -90.2! Do you get any of the translators they show?

my understanding is i will never see kmtr digital because of a hill that is between me and the transmiter i can see 16 but is all ghosty i can see the low power 53 wish i had of know so i could have seen rtn when it was on that station if with the station having snow on that channel i can see 14 klsr translater in corvallis with a very good picture
also to get both dma's i run a antenna facing south and one facing north and combine the signals works pretty good but i do that before i amplify them
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that issue was fixed today your tivo might need to make a connection to fix this issue but it is fixed tribune was thinking there was a CP issued for klsr for dt on ch 34 also ch 9.1,.2 had the same problem except they actually moved channels

Yep, looks like they figured out 34.1 and 34.2. Channels 9.1 and 9.2 are also working - I still have ch. 9 duplicates in the channel list but the working channels have guide data, so all is well.
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Anyone else notice a large drop in the power of KEZI since Feb 17. My TV gives me a digital signal strength and before the 17th I was getting a rating of 86 and since the 17th I'm getting about 68. I'm not seeing any drop in picture but just strange it's so much lower. I was thinking it would be higher with them turning off the analog and suppose to have interested the digital signal. I'm seeing the opposite. Any one else?
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Could it be your antenna isn't so good for VHF-HI? Coverage area increased with the flashover from 44 to 9, as evidenced by skihoodoo now getting KEZI in Albany.

Or, could it be you are getting more multipath on the lower frequency? Seems to me the digital signal meter reads quality of signal rather than strength.

Can't comment on signal drop - I didn't go digital until Feb. 17th

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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I have a good antenna and get over 90 in quality (I think you are right on the quality rather than strength) on the other 3 major networks. I live in corvallis and I would think Albany would have had no problem getting KEZI or the others before or after the 17th. In fact, their probably closer there than I am to the network stations. And as I said before, before the 17th I was getting in the high 80's on KEZI in quality.

Does your TV or converter box giving a quality rating? If so, I would curious how KEZI compares to the other 3 main network stations.
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the reason i had a problem is that there was a hill blocking me from kezi dt44 and kmtr dt17 now that kezi has went to dt 9 they also went up on there tower to make it over the hill kmtr will not move up in height so no kmtr till something changes
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I'll check numbers when I get home, but I'm thinking both my HDTV and my DTVPal CECB (front-ending a VCR - I know, how low-def of me!) are getting about the same numbers for everything. I am only 5.5-8.4 miles from the two sets of towers LOS, so I am using an indoor loop & ears with a splitter.

The reason I asked about your antenna is that pre 2/17 all Eugene digital was UHF. The only changes have been KEZI flashing to their ch.9 frequency and antenna, shutting off ch.44, and KLSR shutting off their ch.34. Can't remember if VHF is inherently more susceptible to multipath or not.

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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You definitely think this wouldn't be the case, but maybe KEZI antenna change (increase in height) caused the quality to go down in my area.

In recent months I have never tried to get any of the analog stations that you seem to be talking about so I have no reference to them. But the quality of digital channels from KEZI, 9.1 and 9.2 definitely when down 20% or so on Feb. 17th.
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My feeling is that the change in frequency is what has caused your quality drop. The antenna change should have increased your signal strength!

Here in west Eugene I get KEZI in the low to mid 70's on my DTVPal, but that is with rabbit ears, an old splitter, and RG59 coax cables I had sitting around.

I love the digital transition. The voices in my head just say 0 and 1 now.
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