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All you have to do is to be able to read the dynamic metadata, translate the pixel values into nit values, and work out the local dimming solution to best display those nits (and skip that step for OLED). It's exactly the same thing as is being done in HDR10. The only difference is that you do it every scene, or possibly every frame, but regardless, it's incredibly lightweight work. I honestly can't imagine any HDR10 capable set not being capable of doing this.
I would assume most HDR10 displays, have just one SOC that handles HDR10, local dimming, upscaling, color tracking, compression(h.265/ vp9), and tone mapping. Honestly, I think Dolby requires the display be a FALD display.

The memory requirements may be heavy as well, having enough available bandwidth to store pixel data.



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Seeing reviews and feedback that "Allied" with Brad Pitt is reference quality. Shot at 6k and DId at 4k. Pristine sharp vibrant picture.
I've seen this movie and it looks stunning in places, just a shame Brad Pitt is in it, he is so wooden.
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Also, Netflix refuses to allow non-customers (like me) to search and browse their content to see what they have, unlike most other providers. If they didn't hide their catalogue, I'd be able to browse it and might choose to subscribe. I'd certainly do regular searches for "HDR", and I might have found it!

As it is, it's their loss and I'm always going to be suspicious of their lack of transparency.
Yeah a completely closed shop, it's not as though they offer a free trial or anything either.
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Yeah a completely closed shop, it's not as though they offer a free trial or anything either.
That's not my point at all. What are they hiding, putting their wares behind a paywall? It's like a shop ("store" over there ) with blacked out windows. "Yes sir, please come in and browse for free - but if you stay too long we'll charge you!".
You can't do anything without signing up. Not a thing. As I said - other services are grown-up about it and allow potential customers to browse freely.

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I've seen this movie and it looks stunning in places, just a shame Brad Pitt is in it, he is so wooden.
In the past Keira Knightley got the nickname "Ikea Knightley" for the same wooden reason. Not fair for some more recent roles though, but very funny at the time

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All you have to do is to be able to read the dynamic metadata, translate the pixel values into nit values, and work out the local dimming solution to best display those nits (and skip that step for OLED). It's exactly the same thing as is being done in HDR10. The only difference is that you do it every scene, or possibly every frame, but regardless, it's incredibly lightweight work. I honestly can't imagine any HDR10 capable set not being capable of doing this.
I hope you are right. The post I relied on from the 940D thread was by a poster who said he had been in contact with somebody from Dolby who told him that the new chip in the Z9D would be able to handle DV implemented by software but that the chip in the older 940D wouldn't be able to haul it. That was totally anecdotal, of course, so I'm hoping its wrong. Time will tell, I guess.

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Is there a master list of movie-specific scenes that one can view to demo/stress-test HDR displays?

I am trying to get the most of my display and would like to look at movie content more critically than just looking at test patterns on my display.

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Hacksaw Ridge, has anyone redeemed the code for UHD anywhere and if so where did you redeem it? There was some mention of it a couple of days ago but I didn't see any confirmation as to if it redeems for UHD and where to do so.

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Hacksaw Ridge, has anyone redeemed the code for UHD anywhere and if so where did you redeem it? There was some mention of it a couple of days ago but I didn't see any confirmation as to if it redeems for UHD and where to do so.
It's just like Deepwater Horizon where it will not redeem anywhere in UHD. You can either do what I did and wait or redeem on Vudu and when they have it in UHD it will automatically convert to UHD from HDX or submit a support ticket to have them change it to UHD. I would prefer to wait since I don't want the hassle of having to submit a support ticket.
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It's just like Deepwater Horizon where it will not redeem anywhere in UHD. You can either do what I did and wait or redeem on Vudu and when they have it in UHD it will automatically convert to UHD from HDX or submit a support ticket to have them change it to UHD. I would prefer to wait since I don't want the hassle of having to submit a support ticket.


Man, whoever is in charge of this(studios? Providers?) needs to get on the same page with this stuff.

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I'm hearing good things about Patriot on Amazon plotwise. Is it in HDR?


Show looked great in HDR and the plot was good as well.


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Warner confirms Dolby Vision for Harry Potter 4k blu ray



Looks like the 1st Dolby Vision discs are about to drop. They also claim new 4k scans of the Potter movies.



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My question is if they are being released in Dolby Vision. The only player that supports DV as of now is the Oppo 203 and they have yet to activate the DV by a firmware update. So can we expect the Oppo firmware to be updated by the time of those release dates?

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^ I thought DV will be coming out in Software format so other players can support DV without the necessary hardware now.
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^ I thought DV will be coming out in Software format so other players can support DV without the necessary hardware now.
Just b/c its available in Software form, doesn't mean it'll magically appear on all devices that are capable of it. There's a huge Corporate Bureaucracy to be considered.
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Just b/c its available in Software form, doesn't mean it'll magically appear on all devices that are capable of it. There's a huge Corporate Bureaucracy to be considered.


I wonder if we'll ever see stand-alone boxes that can pass Dolby Vision to other equipment...


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Yeah - I actually have a question around this. So does this mean that all your devices would need the processing power to handle DV? Or could I eventually buy a "DV capable device" to pass that to my older TV (in my case, a Sammy JS8500)?

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Yeah - I actually have a question around this. So does this mean that all your devices would need the processing power to handle DV? Or could I eventually buy a "DV capable device" to pass that to my older TV (in my case, a Sammy JS8500)?
Samsung will never implement DV on their (Older) TVs EVER so that should save you some headache. Only way they'll do it to their newer models is when HDR10 is good and dead, so there's that. Heck, these guys backed out on their promise to update the OCB and took over a year and a half to give ppl Netflix HDR on their JS series. Just don't expect such miracles from Samsung and you'd be a lot happier.
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Samsung will never implement DV on their (Older) TVs EVER so that should save you some headache. Only way they'll do it to their newer models is when HDR10 is good and dead, so there's that. Heck, these guys backed out on their promise to update the OCB and took over a year and a half to give ppl Netflix HDR on their JS series. Just don't expect such miracles from Samsung and you'd be a lot happier.
Oh, I'm not!

But I'm wondering if say Playstation or Roku or Oppo (which I guess is supposed to get DV at the end of March) came out with DV support...could I use one of those devices to display DV on my JS8500?

Or would my JS8500 also need to support DV in order for it to display?

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Oh, I'm not!

But I'm wondering if say Playstation or Roku or Oppo (which I guess is supposed to get DV at the end of March) came out with DV support...could I use one of those devices to display DV on my JS8500?

Or would my JS8500 also need to support DV in order for it to display?

Seriously confusing...
Yes, you need both a DV capable output device (IE: Oppo) AND a DV capable display and Samsung display won't be getting any piece of DV action whatsoever, they are all about Dynamic Metadata; another promise that hasn't come to fruition but they still got time for it, they said 2017 originally.
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Oh, I'm not!



But I'm wondering if say Playstation or Roku or Oppo (which I guess is supposed to get DV at the end of March) came out with DV support...could I use one of those devices to display DV on my JS8500?



Or would my JS8500 also need to support DV in order for it to display?



Seriously confusing...


The display needs to support it first.

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No confirmation of HDR yet, but Peter V. Found the German link on amazon which lists the 4k BD of "UNFORGIVEN" as a 25th anniversary edition with a May 24th release.


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Yes, you need both a DV capable output device (IE: Oppo) AND a DV capable display and Samsung display won't be getting any piece of DV action whatsoever, they are all about Dynamic Metadata; another promise that hasn't come to fruition but they still got time for it, they said 2017 originally.
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Thanks both! That's slightly unfortunate.

But as this TV is my living room TV and not for a dedicated home theater (and the picture is still pretty great), I can't be too mad.

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Yes, you need both a DV capable output device (IE: Oppo) AND a DV capable display and Samsung display won't be getting any piece of DV action whatsoever, they are all about Dynamic Metadata; another promise that hasn't come to fruition but they still got time for it, they said 2017 originally.
Samsung creating a dynamic metadata form HDR10, is a direct attempt to counter a possible platform takeover by Dolby. It's welcome, but it's a little to late. One of DV advantages is dynamic metadata.

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Samsung creating a dynamic metadata form HDR10, is a direct attempt to counter a possible platform takeover by Dolby. It's welcome, but it's a little to late. One of DV advantages is dynamic metadata.

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I could also argue that there being no DV discs out yet is also a bit too late in the game. But I think it'll just come down to better picture quality in the end and right now both formats are pretty even, thus making this a long and painful battle for consumers.
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I could also argue that there being no DV discs out yet is also a bit too late in the game. But I think it'll just come down to better picture quality in the end and right now both formats are pretty even, thus making this a long and painful battle for consumers.
Maybe for streaming, but not for disc. Since the UHD BD format requires a disc to have HDR10 with any disc that has Dolby Vision.

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I could also argue that there being no DV discs out yet is also a bit too late in the game. But I think it'll just come down to better picture quality in the end and right now both formats are pretty even, thus making this a long and painful battle for consumers.
Comparing the streams have shown some differences. Color and tone mapping differences if you know what to look for, and can have them both playing at the same time.

DV disc and players will be on the market before Samsung or HDMI 2.1 will be. Studios have to jump on board, and can it exist on the same disc that has DV.

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Maybe for streaming, but not for disc. Since the UHD BD format requires a disc to have HDR10 with any disc that has Dolby Vision.
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Comparing the streams have shown some differences. Color and tone mapping differences if you know what to look for, and can have them both playing at the same time.

DV disc and players will be on the market before Samsung or HDMI 2.1 will be. Studios have to jump on board, and can it exist on the same disc that has DV.

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Would like to clarify that when I said both formats are even, I am not talking directly about picture quality as that can be pretty subjective with so many moving targets to focus on. I was implying that in regards to the overall strategy of the two formats. Both have major Hollywood studios and TV manufactures backing them up. Both are scheduled to implement better tech in terms of higher nits on OLEDs for DV and HDR10 with Dynamic Metadata. Its a cat and mouse game and won't be as easily settled as the BluRay vs HD-DVDs, but it will settle one way or another; my personal take on the matter.
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DV disc and players will be on the market before Samsung or HDMI 2.1 will be.
You're probably right but just to clarify for the readers - that's a prediction, not a certain fact.

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Studios have to jump on board, and can it exist on the same disc that has DV.
Not sure what you're asking here? I'm not aware of the standards for how Dynamic HDR10 will be on a UHD Blu-Ray, but plain HDR10 is a mandatory standard for all UHD Blu-Rays, it's impossible to have a disc without plain HDR10.

Dolby Vision is the "optional extra" format, so if any Dolby Vision discs are actually produced they would only ever be bolted on after the mandatory HDR10 is on first.
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Not sure what you're asking here? I'm not aware of the standards for how Dynamic HDR10 will be on a UHD Blu-Ray, but plain HDR10 is a mandatory standard for all UHD Blu-Rays, it's impossible to have a disc without plain HDR10.

Dolby Vision is the "optional extra" format, so if any Dolby Vision discs are actually produced they would only ever be bolted on after the mandatory HDR10 is on first.
What I meant was HDR10 dynamic metadata from Samsung, I'm assuming it would have to replace the current HDR10 format on disc and streaming.

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What I meant was HDR10 dynamic metadata from Samsung, I'm assuming it would have to replace the current HDR10 format on disc and streaming.
Ok well the answer to that is the plain HDR10 is now fixed as a mandatory format on disc. That ship has sailed. Both Dolby Vision and Dynamic HDR10 would be optional extras.
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Ok well the answer to that is the plain HDR10 is now fixed as a mandatory format on disc. That ship has sailed. Both Dolby Vision and Dynamic HDR10 would be optional extras.
Just for the sake of 100% accuracy, HDR-10 is mandatory IF HDR is present on the disc. There is nothing in the specs that say all UHD BDs MUST have HDR. Granted, it is very unlikely that many (if any) UHD BDs will be released without HDR but it is possible.

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