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That would be awesome but the TV itself has to be capable.


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What DV set doesn't also do HDR? I assume that is what you mean.
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That wasn't the point, the point is that we shouldn't have to, and Samsung seems to have very strong support regarding adding new features, like HDR to their older 2015 models, when other name brand manufacturers didn't at the time "Vizio/Sharp/LG". They add things like HDR+, improving the dynamic brightness of their sets, and now support for Youtube HDR, and possibly dynamic HDR. I'm simply saying they're way ahead of the curve when it comes to product support, unlike others...
However, if you want 3D, you're out of luck with a Samsung now.
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Looks like the Samsung TVs can watch YouTube in HDR now with the 1152.0 fw update that rolled out today.


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Watched the HDR youtube videos this morning on my Vizio P75. The Chromecast Ultimate was very easy to setup but I had accidentally cast directly to the TV first instead of to the Chromecast. That didn't give me HDR. However, once I selected the Chromecast cast option from my Vizio P75 tablet the HDR = 'Yes' flag appeared and the settings reverted to the HDR defaults while on "Calibrated Dark".

Youtube HDR is some of the best HDR-10 content I have seen so far. I wonder if it is any different in native VP9? Is VP9 dynamic HDR like Dolby Vision?
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Is VP9 dynamic HDR like Dolby Vision?
Only static metadata like HDR10 for the time being.
Universal HDR-compliant displays
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Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

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Watched the HDR youtube videos this morning on my Vizio P75. The Chromecast Ultimate was very easy to setup but I had accidentally cast directly to the TV first instead of to the Chromecast. That didn't give me HDR. However, once I selected the Chromecast cast option from my Vizio P75 tablet the HDR = 'Yes' flag appeared and the settings reverted to the HDR defaults while on "Calibrated Dark".

Youtube HDR is some of the best HDR-10 content I have seen so far. I wonder if it is any different in native VP9? Is VP9 dynamic HDR like Dolby Vision?
Cool, thanks for testing it. So it sounds like YouTube HDR should work with any TV with HDMI 2.0a inputs via the ChromeCast Ultra then? I may pick one up if YouTube adds any compelling content in HDR. Right now it looks like a few demo videos, but it's early.
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Cool, thanks for testing it. So it sounds like YouTube HDR should work with any TV with HDMI 2.0a inputs via the ChromeCast Ultra then? I may pick one up if YouTube adds any compelling content in HDR. Right now it looks like a few demo videos, but it's early.
Yes I believe that is accurate. Any HDR10 TV should work with the Chrome Cast. There was one horror flick I watched on youtube that was outstanding content wise. I think it was in HDR but it might have been in just 4K.

I just uploaded my first 4K @ 60 FPS video to youtube. I don't have HDR capabilities yet but regular 4K isn't so bad. This was filmed with the new GoPro 5 Black and a Panasonic LX100.

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Yeah, I agree it was pretty sweet before so hard to say. I'd say at least 25% better regardless.
When you watch Youtube HDR video using Chromecast Ultra (I have Samsung jS9000), I get two tags in the video title 4K & HDR. Backlight goes to 20 automatically just like any HDR contents. So, unless you are seeing these two tags, it is at least not in HDR.
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Watched the HDR youtube videos this morning on my Vizio P75. The Chromecast Ultimate was very easy to setup but I had accidentally cast directly to the TV first instead of to the Chromecast. That didn't give me HDR. However, once I selected the Chromecast cast option from my Vizio P75 tablet the HDR = 'Yes' flag appeared and the settings reverted to the HDR defaults while on "Calibrated Dark".

Youtube HDR is some of the best HDR-10 content I have seen so far. I wonder if it is any different in native VP9? Is VP9 dynamic HDR like Dolby Vision?
I agree that youtube HDR content is until now the best. I have seen Amazon and Netflix before that, but these videos really impressed me.
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Seems like there is little to no compression on the YouTube HDR content.


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"Android HDR-compatible TVs released in 2016 are scheduled to support VP9-HLG for YouTube with a future software update."

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Universal HDR-compliant displays

Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

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Does the Chromecast do Dolby Vision and HDR10? Also, are there any sales this weekend for the Chromecast?

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Upgraded to the latest-latest firmare on the Samsung KS8500 (1152.1) and now the YouTube app shows "HD HDR" instead of just "HD". Honestly, I can't really tell a difference. It already looked so good.
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Upgraded to the latest-latest firmare on the Samsung KS8500 (1152.1) and now the YouTube app shows "HD HDR" instead of just "HD". Honestly, I can't really tell a difference. It already looked so good.
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I can't tell you why/how the Vizio will/wont' support it. Personally, I much prefer a dumb monitor that simply displays whatever I tell it to display, not limited by "apps" and other BS. Unfortunately, that is not conducive to upselling new hardware on a regular basis.
Agreed. I think there's much more versatility in dongles that are cheap to produce and purchase like the Roku and Chromecast devices. The only big downside is the integration with a remote control. It'd be nice if the donglefolk banded together w/ TV manufacturers so that remotes worked in an tightly integrated fashion.
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I think it was in HDR but it might have been in just 4K.

I just uploaded my first 4K @ 60 FPS video to youtube. I don't have HDR capabilities yet but regular 4K isn't so bad. This was filmed with the new GoPro 5 Black and a Panasonic LX100.
1. If you were viewing an HDR YouTube video on an HDR-compatible TV you would see an indication that the video is HDR.

2. I do not understand how you made a 4K60p video - neither of those cameras shoots at 4K @ 60 fps; max 4K @ 30 fps.
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1. If you were viewing an HDR YouTube video on an HDR-compatible TV you would see an indication that the video is HDR.

2. I do not understand how you made a 4K60p video - neither of those cameras shoots at 4K @ 60 fps; max 4K @ 30 fps.
That is true. However, they shoot at 1080p @ 60 FPS and 1080p @ 120 FPS as well. 4K @ 60 FPS shares the resolution and frame rate with all combinations. Some of the clips are 1080p @ 60 FPS so rendering it to 4K @ 60 FPS doesn't drop any frames. Also some of the clips are 2.7K @ 60 FPS or 4K @ 30 FPS. I didn't want to sacrifice any resolution for those clips so 4K @ 60 FPS was the only choice.
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Shame this only works on Samsungs right now, hoping Vizio will extend this feature to their sets...
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Shame this only works on Samsungs right now, hoping Vizio will extend this feature to their sets...


Wasn't it revealed that the Vizio SoC isn't hardware capable for it?
Same as some of the 2016 Sony sets that used last year's SoCs.


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Wasn't it revealed that the Vizio SoC isn't hardware capable for it?
Same as some of the 2016 Sony sets that used last year's SoCs.


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Yeah I believe that's the case ... There's a number of other streaming options which support it, so NBD.
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This thread seems to have died but does anyone know if anymore supported devices have been added or are expected to add support? Roku Ultra, Nvidia Shield, Amazon Fire?
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This thread seems to have died but does anyone know if anymore supported devices have been added or are expected to add support? Roku Ultra, Nvidia Shield, Amazon Fire?
No, no, and no. Outside of Chromecast Ultra and some recent Samsung TVs there are no other devices that support it. Nvidia supposedly promised YouTube HDR on Shield but so far they have not delivered.

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No, no, and no. Outside of Chromecast Ultra and some recent Samsung TVs there are no other devices that support it. Nvidia supposedly promised YouTube HDR on Shield but so far they have not delivered.

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That is a bummer, thanks for the info.
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Was wondering if my SHIELD TV was actually showing HDR from those "Chromecast Ultra" videos with my new KS8000. Sucks to have to switch to the TV app now. Hope they patch that in pronto.

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I finally am able to render true 4K @ 60 FPS HDR10 files for youtube. I shoot with a Panasonic GH5 camera at either 4K @ 60 FPS 8 BIT 4:2:0 or 4K @ 30 FPS 10 BIT 4:2:2.

Here are two sample videos I shot this past weekend. These were all done hand held with very little processing. I wasn't really satisfied with the editing but I simply didn't have enough time for it. I wasn't getting paid for this. It was done just as an experiment with HDR.

Unfortunately, I didn’t know about including an SDR LUT at the time I created them so they will look really bad(Blown highlights and colors) if you view them in SDR. All of my future videos will have the additional SDR LUT included that will make them look good either way.

These files were both well over 50 Gigabytes each so it isn’t easy to upload them. I am still looking at a way to create a more compressed version for upload from a PC. It is easy to do from a Mac because you can use Prores in that case.

I have been experimenting with HLG as well. However, my display does not support HLG so that won’t get very far for my needs.

I hope you Enjoy!


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I finally am able to render true 4K @ 60 FPS HDR10 files for youtube. I shoot with a Panasonic GH5 camera at either 4K @ 60 FPS 8 BIT 4:2:0 or 4K @ 30 FPS 10 BIT 4:2:2.

Here are two sample videos I shot this past weekend. These were all done hand held with very little processing. I wasn't really satisfied with the editing but I simply didn't have enough time for it. I wasn't getting paid for this. It was done just as an experiment with HDR.

Unfortunately, I didn’t know about including an SDR LUT at the time I created them so they will look really bad(Blown highlights and colors) if you view them in SDR. All of my future videos will have the additional SDR LUT included that will make them look good either way.

These files were both well over 50 Gigabytes each so it isn’t easy to upload them. I am still looking at a way to create a more compressed version for upload from a PC. It is easy to do from a Mac because you can use Prores in that case.

I have been experimenting with HLG as well. However, my display does not support HLG so that won’t get very far for my needs.

I hope you Enjoy!

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Looks good. Comparing the sdr versions to hdr the hdr is definitely better. Better blacks, colors, depth/dimensions. Much better "window" effect over sdr.
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I've been enjoying all the HDR shop demo clips on the new Youtube app on my samsung 82mu8000, looks amazing and the quality is very good for streaming. Be interesting to see what other HDR content pops up on youtube.
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I've been enjoying all the HDR shop demo clips on the new Youtube app on my samsung 82mu8000, looks amazing and the quality is very good for streaming. Be interesting to see what other HDR content pops up on youtube.
Extremely difficult because YouTube still, after all this time, doesn't provide a filter for HDR in their search way yet they do provide a filter for all other technical parameters (4K, HD, Subtitles/CC, Creative Commons, 3D, Live, Purchased, 360°).

It's utterly infuriating because 99% of uploads which contain "HDR" in the title are not HDR uploads. They are all SDR uploads which happen to be about the subject HDR, explaining what it is, or about HDR photography, or they are HDR photos tone-mapped down to SDR, etc.

The current situation with finding HDR content on YouTube's search is just ludicrous. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack, it really is. . And it could so easily be fixed by YouTube if they provided a filter, but they won't do it.

So to help anyone new to HDR YouTube, here's a dump of some I've found over the last year in spoiler tags.

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To view these, easiest to click these links on a PC and then cast to the TV. If casting doesn't work (it can be very flaky) you can start to play them on a PC, and then use the "history" feature on the TV's YouTube app to find them.
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