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YouTube launches HDR

YouTube now officially supports HDR content and playback, but they only mention supporting the new Chromecast Ultra and Samsung UHD TVs with "more devices to follow". My work PC doesn't have an HDR monitor, so I can't test it. Playback is automatically downsampled to SDR on unsupported devices.

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It's good that Youtube is supporting HDR. What's baffling is that they are specifying a version of VP9 that isn't supported on Vizio TVs which have Google's own Chromecat technology built in and is the default tech instead of built in apps. You'd think that Google might want to promote this. Instead, only Samsung TVs with a built in app are supposed to be supported. Granted, you can solve this problem with the new external Chromecast Ultra for $65 but that kinda defeats the purpose of why you bought this TV in the first place. And competitors like Netflix and VUDU don't seem to have a problem delivering HDR to these manufacturers sets.

I just bought a Vizio M55 a couple weeks ago so I have a stake in this.
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I can't tell you why/how the Vizio will/wont' support it. Personally, I much prefer a dumb monitor that simply displays whatever I tell it to display, not limited by "apps" and other BS. Unfortunately, that is not conducive to upselling new hardware on a regular basis.
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It's good that Youtube is supporting HDR. What's baffling is that they are specifying a version of VP9 that isn't supported on Vizio TVs which have Google's own Chromecat technology built in and is the default tech instead of built in apps. You'd think that Google might want to promote this. Instead, only Samsung TVs with a built in app are supposed to be supported. Granted, you can solve this problem with the new external Chromecast Ultra for $65 but that kinda defeats the purpose of why you bought this TV in the first place. And competitors like Netflix and VUDU don't seem to have a problem delivering HDR to these manufacturers sets.



I just bought a Vizio M55 a couple weeks ago so I have a stake in this.


Is the Chromecast built into the Vizio not capable of 4k?
I had a Philips 6921 for about 10 days and it was a Google Cast TV. I was able to cast 4k YouTube videos to it and it would play it in 4k.
Not sure about HDR though since I don't have it anymore.


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Is the Chromecast built into the Vizio not capable of 4k?
According to the CTO of Vizio, the P-Series doesn't support 10-bit VP9 Profile 2 or VP9-PQ "YouTube HDR".
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post43318930

Apparently, the playback of the new YouTube HDR files can only be done using a Chromecast Ultra.

VP9-PQ file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > uncompressed "HDR10" video stream >> HDMI 2.0a >> HDR10 compliant Vizio P

More details on YouTube HDR at the following post:
Universal HDR-compliant displays

Universal audio/video receiver (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, etc.) is achieved.
Universal HDR TV (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR, Dynamic HDR) is required.

Push for universal HDR TV!
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Is the Chromecast built into the Vizio not capable of 4k?
According to the CTO of Vizio, the P-Series doesn't support 10-bit VP9 Profile 2 or VP9-PQ "YouTube HDR".
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post43318930

Apparently, the playback of the new YouTube HDR files can only be done using a Chromecast Ultra.

VP9-PQ file stored on YouTube cloud >> Internet >> VP9-PQ compliant Chromecast Ultra > uncompressed "HDR10" video stream >> HDMI 2.0a >> HDR10 compliant Vizio P

More details on YouTube HDR at the following post:
Universal HDR-compliant displays
Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?
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Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?


Seems like the claim is that no P series Vizios support it.


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Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?


Seems like the claim is that no P series Vizios support it.


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Yes but in his quote he's implying that the tech didn't exist for any 2016 TV which obviously isn't true if the 2016 Samsung support that format. If it was a simple fw upgrade he wouldn't have said that. Looks like Samsung is merely waiting on an update to the YT app itself.
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Yes but in his quote he's implying that the tech didn't exist for any 2016 TV which obviously isn't true if the 2016 Samsung support that format. If it was a simple fw upgrade he wouldn't have said that. Looks like Samsung is merely waiting on an update to the YT app itself.


I see. The SUHD models in Africa are receiving the 1150.7 update today. Not sure what the change log is.


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It's good that Youtube is supporting HDR. What's baffling is that they are specifying a version of VP9 that isn't supported on Vizio TVs which have Google's own Chromecat technology built in and is the default tech instead of built in apps. You'd think that Google might want to promote this. Instead, only Samsung TVs with a built in app are supposed to be supported. Granted, you can solve this problem with the new external Chromecast Ultra for $65 but that kinda defeats the purpose of why you bought this TV in the first place. And competitors like Netflix and VUDU don't seem to have a problem delivering HDR to these manufacturers sets.



I just bought a Vizio M55 a couple weeks ago so I have a stake in this.


So the vp9 hdr, does the Samsung "transcode"
To hdr10? This must be an easy software upgrade for th le Vizio no?


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Another post talked about a chipset requirement since VP9 and HEVC are always chipset implementations and not software only.
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So with the new chromecast ultra it will work on any hdr10 set? So the 77"
$20k lg can't do native YouTube ?

Wow, this hdr is a mesa


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So with the new chromecast ultra it will work on any hdr10 set? So the 77"
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Apparently not. It is a mess. And then of course there's the content problem. The Cast feature is nice but all the major video services don't support it (Amazon the most obvious).

I'm debating taking the set back to Costco and upgrading to the P55. The problem is that the P55 is an IPS technology screen and I've heard conflicting information on whether or not that this would be a downgrade or a push for me (the set is in the master bedroom).
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YouTube launches HDR

So for now this is chromecast ultra exclusive?

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Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?
His wording was very careful which was that 10-bit VP9 chips hadn't been released when the Vizio HDR TVs were designed. It is quite possible that the chips were in the development stage by that point and that Samsung spent a bit more to use those chips in their TVs. That would explain how Samsung HDR TVs can decode 10-bit VP9.

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So for now this is chromecast ultra exclusive?
At the moment that is the only product that supports it. The timing for it does make me wonder if this was at least partly done in order to start testing it on products that will be released next year.
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Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?
His wording was very careful which was that 10-bit VP9 chips hadn't been released when the Vizio HDR TVs were designed. It is quite possible that the chips were in the development stage by that point and that Samsung spent a bit more to use those chips in their TVs. That would explain how Samsung HDR TVs can decode 10-bit VP9.

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So for now this is chromecast ultra exclusive?
At the moment that is the only product that supports it. The timing for it does make me wonder if this was at least partly done in order to start testing it on products that will be released next year.
Yeah but he said "in fact, full chip design packages were not ready for 10bit until very recently so that won't appear until future products i the market."

The KS series had just come out around the time of this comment...
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The new Chromecast Ultra is in the stores now. Anyone try it yet? I for one don't really want to spend $69 only to be able to play a handful of Youtube HDR videos when I can play real content on Netflix and elsewhere.
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No HDR10 support? That is retarded.

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No HDR10 support? That is retarded.


It supports all 3 formats

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It supports all 3 formats

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Just upgraded my Samsung KS8000 firwware. Holy hell does it look amazing with the playlist they gave! I thought my TV looked before but then it went to another level.
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Why is Vizio CTO claiming no current TVs have 10-bit VP9 when obviously the KS TVs support it since they are only waiting on an update to the internal app?
And this is why I'm not going with any other UHD/HDR TV manufacturer, but Samsung, Dolby Vision be damned!
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Just upgraded my Samsung KS8000 firwware. Holy hell does it look amazing with the playlist they gave! I thought my TV looked before but then it went to another level.


I agree that it looks better now compared to pre- update but since the videos themselves already have so much DR, it is hard to say if the update actually added HDR support for the YouTube app since the normal telltale signs are not there.
Backlight doesn't automatically got to 20 and YouTube playback information doesn't indicate so.


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I agree that it looks better now compared to pre- update but since the videos themselves already have so much DR, it is hard to say if the update actually added HDR support for the YouTube app since the normal telltale signs are not there.
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And this is why I'm not going with any other UHD/HDR TV manufacturer, but Samsung, Dolby Vision be damned!
One can simply buy a "Chromcast Ultra" for any HDR set.
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One can simply buy a "Chromcast Ultra" for any HDR set.


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One can simply buy a "Chromcast Ultra" for any HDR set.
That wasn't the point, the point is that we shouldn't have to, and Samsung seems to have very strong support regarding adding new features, like HDR to their older 2015 models, when other name brand manufacturers didn't at the time "Vizio/Sharp/LG". They add things like HDR+, improving the dynamic brightness of their sets, and now support for Youtube HDR, and possibly dynamic HDR. I'm simply saying they're way ahead of the curve when it comes to product support, unlike others...
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