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Fall/Winter Pittsburgh GTG (speaker focused)

Looking to do a GTG this fall/winter. We had one this past March focusing on subs and it was a lot of fun.

Thinking of concentrating on speakers this time.

Some tentative dates I have available (all saturdays)

11/5 (getting kind of close though)
11/19
12/3
12/10

The following speakers would likely be in attendance

JTR 215RT's
JTR 212HTR's
Power Sound Audio 210T's
DIY Sound Group 1099's
Custom DIY Sound group fusion 8 towers

There could be others, but I am not sure if we would want many more.

Let me know if you are interested

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I have a custom all eminence driver coaxial diy build that is pretty cool (and portable). @mtg90 did the XO design. Similar, but obviously not the same as the Volts.

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I have a custom all eminence driver coaxial diy build that is pretty cool (and portable). @mtg90 did the XO design. Similar, but obviously not the same as the Volts.

This looks like a fun event.
Steve looking forward to seeing and hearing this speaker, interested in trying the build.
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Steve looking forward to seeing and hearing this speaker, interested in trying the build.
I am to, I have only heard them as surrounds. The measurements from Matt indicated they should be pretty good as mains. I will be running them as my mains here shortly, my 4 Pi's will soon be cannibalized for the compression driver and HF crossover for my new build.

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My preference would be for anything BUT the 19th (Pitt at home vs Duke) but I should be able to attend any of the days.

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I am to, I have only heard them as surrounds. The measurements from Matt indicated they should be pretty good as mains. I will be running them as my mains here shortly, my 4 Pi's will soon be cannibalized for the compression driver and HF crossover for my new build.
Sounds like a good plan my friend especially the cannibilation.....
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I actually have two sets of fusion 8 towers. The dual 8 is pretty close to the stock DIY kit. My single 8 towers are much farther from the stock bookshelf kit. Either way they will be the lowest end kits in this comparison. You gotta have a small guy to compare against though. Since I've heard the 210 & 215 I can promise the world that any fusion 8 kit will not beat those.

I vote less snacks. Pizza was good enough. Maybe a bag of chips.

What time of day we talkin? Afternoon or sleepover?
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I actually have two sets of fusion 8 towers. The dual 8 is pretty close to the stock DIY kit. My single 8 towers are much farther from the stock bookshelf kit. Either way they will be the lowest end kits in this comparison. You gotta have a small guy to compare against though. Since I've heard the 210 & 215 I can promise the world that any fusion 8 kit will not beat those.

I vote less snacks. Pizza was good enough. Maybe a bag of chips.

What time of day we talkin? Afternoon or sleepover?
I am thinking early afternoon or late morning again as that will be the easiest time for me to get everyone out of the house so we can crank it!

I agree, we had too much food last time.

It is good to hear speakers from all different price ranges, not really looking to pick a winner really. Value per dollar the DIY kits will win for sure.

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I missed the last GTG, but I'm interested in attending this one if I can work it into my schedule. Due to spontaneous work and family commitments, I can't anticipate availability until the week of the GTG, so I'll be of no assistance picking a date. You guys pick and I'll try to make it!

Sounds like there's a full lineup of speakers. Mine are too large and old for me to move easily anyways, but I could bring a pair of ANK el34 tube powered monoblocks if anyone is interested in hearing 40 wpc of tubey goodness. These are best for 2 channel music, of course, so if this is strictly home theater focused, they won't be of much value.

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Will try to stop by for whichever date is agreed upon.

I have a pair of Elac Debut F5 and the C5 that I plan to sell. Message me if interested.

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Will try to stop by for whichever date is agreed upon.

I have a pair of Elac Debut F5 and the C5 that I plan to sell. Message me if interested.
What are you replacing the Elacs with, I've seen nothing but good things about them, looking for more output and a HE design?
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What are you replacing the Elacs with, I've seen nothing but good things about them, looking for more output and a HE design?
No hi-end. Moved up a notch to Jones' Uni-Fi line. My power amp is hi-end, but not my pre-pro. The NAD pre-pro is pricey, but I bet the upgrade would be killer. Don't see it happening though. I love my RS600 projector. JVC is on a roll.

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No hi-end. Moved up a notch to Jones' Uni-Fi line. My power amp is hi-end, but not my pre-pro. The NAD pre-pro is pricey, but I bet the upgrade would be killer. Don't see it happening though. I love my RS600 projector. JVC is on a roll.
By HE he meant high efficiency (I think).

Most of the speakers we will listen to at the GTG are high efficiency (over 95db per watt sensitivity). One pair (JTR 212 HTR) is rated by the manufacturer at 101db/w but has been tested at 105db/w. High efficiency speakers are very dynamic and require up to 1/10th the power as a standard 85-86 DB efficiency speaker. Their trade-off (typically) is that they are not full range and need a capable sub. One exception is the JTR 215RT's. They are rated at 95db/w but have a frequency response of 16hz - 24k. Mine where flat in room to 12hz until I put a high-pass filter on them at 20hz for protection.
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By HE he meant high efficiency (I think).

Most of the speakers we will listen to at the GTG are high efficiency (over 95db per watt sensitivity).
Ah, yeah. Thanks. There are those in hi-end two channel who favor high efficiency speakers with SET power amps with ultra low output. Obviously, the notion is different in a home theater application. In any event, it will be nice to hear what local enthusiasts enjoy. Would be nice to come up with a rotation of diverse set-ups in order for everyone to gain exposure to various approaches.
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Ah, yeah. Thanks. There are those in hi-end two channel who favor high efficiency speakers with SET power amps with ultra low output. Obviously, the notion is different in a home theater application. In any event, it will be nice to hear what local enthusiasts enjoy. Would be nice to come up with a rotation of diverse set-ups in order for everyone to gain exposure to various approaches.
Some of us use high efficiency speakers for home theater too. They are very dynamic for movie watching. They probably work even better for movies than music. You can use a standard 100w per channel receiver once you get to speakers with 95db plus efficiency and still go up to reference.
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We need to come up with a playlist of songs for this.

I have about 25k songs in my iTunes library (95%) lossless. I also have about 30 SACD's and a good number of other hi res files.

I have the ability to rip SACD's with my old PS3. I would like all digital files as I don't want to be switching cd's.

Not sure if we want 5 or so full length songs or above ut 10-15 smaller song clips.

I have downloaded the playlist files from another GTG that had many different song clips (of varying quality). We could us that although it an hour I think. I can upload it to a file sharing site if anyone wants it.

One i nominate is Dire Straight's Money for Nothing from their brothers In Arms SACD.
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Ah, yeah. Thanks. There are those in hi-end two channel who favor high efficiency speakers with SET power amps with ultra low output. Obviously, the notion is different in a home theater application. In any event, it will be nice to hear what local enthusiasts enjoy. Would be nice to come up with a rotation of diverse set-ups in order for everyone to gain exposure to various approaches.
I did mean high efficient speakers, you'd be surprised what a low output SET power amp can do with HE designs in an HT application. It's not uncommon to get 105-115dB output at MLP with 20 watts of power with a HE speaker especially the 105 dB sensitive speakers Ray has.
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Trying to compile a list of 5-6 songs to use for the GTG.

Never going back again by Fleetwood Mac (HD download) is another song I plan on using.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Would like to get a nice mix of really well recorded songs.

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I'm would be interested in attending if this is still is going on. Building out my HT components now.

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I'm would be interested in attending if this is still is going on. Building out my HT components now.

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Hi Mike,

I think I am going to try for something in feb/march instead although anyone is welcome to stop over before then if you would like.

I recently added some behringer B1200 subs as Mid bass modules directly behind my seats on top of my JTR S2 subs. They are very powerful in the 50/80hz region and add lots of chest thump on movies and music.
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Hi Mike,

I think I am going to try for something in feb/march instead although anyone is welcome to stop over before then if you would like.

I recently added some behringer B1200 subs as Mid bass modules directly behind my seats on top of my JTR S2 subs. They are very powerful in the 50/80hz region and add lots of chest thump on movies and music.
Ray, I think that would be better for all concerned, with the Holidays right around the corner and the cold weather which is not conducive for good breathing with me. I'm kind of a home bound person during the winter months and I really want to attend this GTG this time and not have to back out at the last minute like last time. If I have to come into town which is a possibility in the near future I'll give you a buzz, I'd really like to hear your setup(s)

I thought you were returning the 1200s, must of found the ideal settings and integrated them pretty good my friend......

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^^^

After the holidays I will setup a poll to try to nail down a date in the early spring.

I mostly was going to to get rid of the B1200 because if looks. Sweetwater has free shipping, but if you return something they take off the shipping amount from your refund. That would have cost me about $55 plus shipping them back was another $55 or so. Didn't want to take 20% hit so decided to keep them.
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Jeff - I see you are looking at adding another PSA sub or two nearfield.

If I were you I would check out the B1200 before spending so much more money (or the DIYSG MBM) The output and 'hit' they put out in the midbass is likely much more than you will get with a sub tuned in the teens. You can probably buy one from guitar center and return it if you don't like it, or you are welcome to stop by to check them out.
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Jeff - I see you are looking at adding another PSA sub or two nearfield.

If I were you I would check out the B1200 before spending so much more money (or the DIYSG MBM) The output and 'hit' they put out in the midbass is likely much more than you will get with a sub tuned in the teens. You can probably buy one from guitar center and return it if you don't like it, or you are welcome to stop by to check them out.
Ray I have a GC about twenty minutes from my home, they don't have the B1200 do they? I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I'm really content with what I have but money seems to burn a hole in my pocket, in reality that's all I'm after is a bit more mid bass slam, I don't necessarily have to be punched in the chest slam either. It's funny that you posted this cause that's what I was just thinking to myself, thanks for the invite and your logical advice, you just probably saved me a couple grand.
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Ray I have a GC about twenty minutes from my home, they don't have the B1200 do they? I've been doing a lot of thinking lately and I'm really content with what I have but money seems to burn a hole in my pocket, in reality that's all I'm after is a bit more mid bass slam, I don't necessarily have to be punched in the chest slam either. It's funny that you posted this cause that's what I was just thinking to myself, thanks for the invite and your logical advice, you just probably saved me a couple grand.
Looks like the Robinson store has them and 0% financing for 3 years.

I would call first but the website says they have them
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Looks like the Robinson store has them and 0% financing for 3 years.

I would call first but the website says they have them
Thanks Ray, I just PM'd you asking that, I'm sure there are are other MBMs but the 1200 seems like the go to one and has the most useful calibration tips from other owners.
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Found another burgh AVS member.

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Just in case this GTG ever happens. I'm looking at you @raynist

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I still want to do this! Maybe after you build the Titan 615's?

March or April would be good with me. I should probably come up with few dates and start a poll.
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Lol, I wish I could build those Titans. Maybe the cheaper model when they come out.

I'm ready whenever.
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