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SoCal/LAAVA.org Spring 2017 Subwoofer meet

SoCal/LAAVA.org Spring 2017 Subwoofer GTG
June 17th, 11AM - until whenever. PM for address & gate code.

CEA-2010 testing - June 10th, 11th & 17th
Room EQ Wizard w/CSL calibrated Dayton EMM-6 Microphone.
I would like to have most if not all CEA testing done prior to the GTG. We will be able to use JTR Cap 1400 (2015) & 118 to correlate data to data-bass.com. Please PM me if you have a sub you would like to bring for ground plane testing

My downstairs is an open concept. The Den is directly adjacent the Breakfast/Kitchen Areas with large openings to an Office, Dining & Living Rooms and all of upstairs. I feel like it is the perfect space to evaluate ported subs. I have a 32" wide threshold ramp and the narrowest entry is 44" wide for wheeling subs in and out.

In this space I currently run dual Seaton Sound MFW-15 Turbos which can be described as smaller, 15" versions of the JTR Captivator 1400. We should have no problem pushing the limits of these single ported 18" ID offerings:

JTR provided Captivator 118
Captivator 1400 (2015) - @chucky7
PSA V1801 - @bulls @Pulloutchamp (backup)
@Rythmik provided FV18

DIY
@Peterc613 (Danley DTS-10)
@asarose247 (DIY)

Unfortunately, while HSU is local they have no plans to release a 18" sub.

I am of the belief that the room affects listening much more than sub brand. However, in my limited testing of the Seaton MFW-15, PSA S1500 & S3000i their characteristics at the limit can drastically differ. I am going review past GTGs for scorecards for grading each ported system. I also plan to provide a very capable sealed system for level-matched, blind A/B testing of ported vs sealed in the downstairs Den.

My upstairs media room is a work in progress. I have bass-traps & acoustic panels currently in production by lasoundpanels.com. It may very well be complete by the 17th. I should be able have a MFW-15 Turbo upstairs to compare the sound in the two rooms.

I will be updating the thread with pictures and measurements over time. I am wide open to all suggestions.

I'm hoping attendees are willing to contribute $5 to offset the cost of catering.

I am inviting the following insiders to attend the GTG:
@Jeff Permanian @Ricci
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June 10th!
@Marc Alexander
@xcjago (JL F112)
@chucky7 (Cap1400)
@asarose247 (DIY)
@BrazenC5 (Seaton Submersive HP)

June 17th
@Marc Alexander
@fookoo_2010
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@ivanpino
@Toc
@kyzer soze
@xcjago
@chucky7 (Cap 1400)
@dschulz
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@sdurani


I would like to keep track here of those committing to attend. PM me for address and gate code.

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would love to get in on this if theres still room
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We should have room to accommodate any who are interested.
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Any interest in testing a bic f-12.....?

Data bass has the pl-200.......


Lots of questions on this sub as it is about the best value for 200 bucks.

I recomend it over the pl-200, I have both and feel it is a better value, but it would be nice to give some numbers and facts.

Rather than it sounds close....LOL

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It's so cool that Jeff and Brian sending their subs for the GTG. Did you try to see if PSA is willing to send in their V3601?
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It's so cool that Jeff and Brian sending their subs for the GTG. Did you try to see if PSA is willing to send in their V3601?
"We're not going to be sending any free subwoofers out right now....we're having a hard time just keeping up. But thanks for the offer." - Tom V.
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Any interest in testing a bic f-12.....?

Data bass has the pl-200.......


Lots of questions on this sub as it is about the best value for 200 bucks.

I recomend it over the pl-200, I have both and feel it is a better value, but it would be nice to give some numbers and facts.

Rather than it sounds close....LOL
Bring it on.

I have a feeling you may go home with something else though once you hear this lineup!
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I'd like to attend. Thanks!

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Count me in for the 17th
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This sounds like a lot of fun! Wish I lived closer...

I'm going to try and recruit @coolrda to attend and bring the TR expertise.

@coolrda , what say you?
Oh. Very interesting but I'm locked into what I'm doing currently until first of July. However, if things continue going ok, I'll give the 17th a serious shot. I just may be able to swing it, though it will have to be a quick turn around. Thanks for the headsup.

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Is there still a GTG on June 4th? Or has it been changed to the 17th?
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Is there still a GTG on June 4th? Or has it been changed to the 17th?
The official GTG has been changed to the 17th. All are welcome to come on the 4th for a preview and/or to get your sub tested. I will add the 4th to the attendance list.

All, please let me know if you plan to come on the 4th, 17th, or both. Remind me if you don't see your name on the list in post 2.
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Bring it on.

I have a feeling you may go home with something else though once you hear this lineup!
It would be cool to test $200 sub and get some thoughts on it...Alot of people are not as deep into this as some of us and arent interested in dropping $1K plus on a sub....I should bring a PC12+ , maybe someone would want to buy it
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I will definitely be there on June 4th and 17th. Let me know the other dates you need me to bring my Cap 1400!

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It would be cool to test $200 sub and get some thoughts on it...Alot of people are not as deep into this as some of us and arent interested in dropping $1K plus on a sub....I should bring a PC12+ , maybe someone would want to buy it
Bring both. I'd like to see how the pair compares to a single 18". Are you available on the 4th?
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Bring both. I'd like to see how the pair compares to a single 18". Are you available on the 4th?
I may be , I gotta double check .... theres all kinds of crap going on that the GF signs me up for that I refuse to acknowledge until the last second to see if I can play stupid enough to get out of going....I gotta see how I can get 1 PC12 there first lol....

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I may be , I gotta double check .... theres all kinds of crap going on that the GF signs me up for that I refuse to acknowledge until the last second to see if I can play stupid enough to get out of going....I gotta see how I can get 1 PC12 there first lol....


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Hey Marc, what's the starting and ending time for June 4th?
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Guys, my wife is on-call June 4th and I've been informed that I have to take my son to a birthday party. We need to move to the following weekend.

June 10th (Sat) or 11th (Sun) from 11AM - until. Which date works best?

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The JTR Cap 118 arrived yesterday!

Mark Seaton will be shipping my F18s in time for the GTG. I figure that these will be perfect to compare to the ported 18s in the downstairs space. Both a single master and master+slave.

Other sealed subwoofers potentially on hand:
Paradigm Sub2!
Seaton Submersive HP
PSA S3000i
Funk Audio custom Dual-opposed 12s

I will also have the Behringer B1200d-PROs available for those who want to experience nearfield MBMs.
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The JTR Cap 118 arrived yesterday!

Mark Seaton will be shipping my F18s in time for the GTG. I figure that these will be perfect to compare to the ported 18s in the downstairs space. Both a single master and master+slave.

Other sealed subwoofers potentially on hand:
Paradigm Sub2!
Seaton Submersive HP
PSA S3000i
Funk Audio custom Dual-opposed 12s

I will also have the Behringer B1200d-PROs available for those who want to experience nearfield MBMs.

This meeting's participants (the subwoofers, not people ) are getting ever more interesting! Great job Marc.
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Guys, my wife is on-call June 4th and I've been informed that I have to take my son to a birthday party. We need to move to the following weekend.

June 10th (Sat) or 11th (Sun) from 11AM - until. Which date works best?

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@bulls (PSA V1801)
Either day works for me.
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Guys, my wife is on-call June 4th and I've been informed that I have to take my son to a birthday party. We need to move to the following weekend.

June 10th (Sat) or 11th (Sun) from 11AM - until. Which date works best?

@Marc Alexander
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Either day works for me as well. Just let me know which day.

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Guys, my wife is on-call June 4th and I've been informed that I have to take my son to a birthday party. We need to move to the following weekend.

June 10th (Sat) or 11th (Sun) from 11AM - until. Which date works best?

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Either day works for me.
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Either day works for me as well. Just let me know which day.
June 10th it is.

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I will around all day on the 11th if anyone needs to bring a sub for CEA-2010 testing.
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The FV18 and Cap 118 are in the house! I've located what seems to be the best place for a single sub for both the den and kitchen/breakfast room. I'm just waiting on the mics from CSL to start the outdoor CEA-2010 testing. Please excuse the mess, it will be clean for the GTG.



The PSA S3000i as well as two S1500s are for sale BTW. Have to make space for the incoming Seaton F18s.
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@Marc Alexander , Have you already made up your mind to go with the sealed Seaton F18's or you are still in the shopping/audition mode? I assume these F18's will go in your main theater room where the PSA subs were? I would try a ported sub up there to do a one on one comparison with the F18 since you have a bunch of ported subs for the GTG plus IIRC, I don't think you ever experienced a ported sub up there in your theater.
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