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post #4081 of 4220 Old 06-21-2014, 08:11 AM
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Details have been sent to all the Savoy Grand Opening attendees via PM. If you did not receive the PM, please let me know. Thanks.

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WOW! Not even a friendly AVS discount. I thought maybe you would only charge a JVC RS-59 or something. But full 4K projector.

Then again, if that's the price for help taking a screen shot on a tablet, I wonder what my bill should look like for sub design help. I KID! I KID!!!
Well let see if I look at the time spent vs. the information given in my post and your messages I believe I owe you a kidney. Although I can't say it will be in great shape. Still better than the liver.
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Well let see if I look at the time spent vs. the information given in my post and your messages I believe I owe you a kidney. Although I can't say it will be in great shape. Still better than the liver.
I don't need a kidney at this moment. Any chance we can barter for something else? Maybe like a sleeve of Pro V1x golf balls or something? I think they are worth about the same.
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Looks like some equipment racks. Some pro lighting, EQs, etc... This is Pratt AV, right? Did they go under?

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/ele/4537977425.html

Anyway, some good deals are likely to be found this Friday...

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The listing says that it is just old inventory.
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Dibs on one of the overhead projectors!!!!

Those equipment racks could be a good find for someone looking for a good AV rack. I wonder what they have for amps... Could be useful for a second zone.
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The listing says that it is just old inventory.
True, but there is another post selling off most of the office furniture as well, and Pratt has never really had "new inventory"...

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Looks like a big St. Louis company bought Pratt last year...

http://thegazette.com/2013/01/22/st-...es-tech-staff/
http://www.conferencetech.com/history

My guess is they're consolidating and re-structuring. Office remodel and/or move, clearing out all the old gear and realigning the Des Moines location better with the overall corporate mission/structure, which looks to be more focused on integration than event production.

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I'll be coming to Mr. Beck's grand opening on Saturday. If anyone is looking for a great deal on a sub, I am selling a HSU VTF3-MK3 for $400. Condition is a 9/10. If interested let me know via PM.

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Looks like some equipment racks. Some pro lighting, EQs, etc... This is Pratt AV, right? Did they go under?

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/ele/4537977425.html

Anyway, some good deals are likely to be found this Friday...
I'm trying to decide if this would be a fun sale or a waste of my time . . .
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Hey, Iowa guys…

Shameless for-sale post, here...

I have a set of three Elemental Designs cabinets I bought last winter to build some high-efficiency mains without having to build cabinets. I paid $150 for all three, but I'd sell them to somebody here for like… $60. The only catch is you have to come get them by this weekend. They're really nice. So nice, you could work in the garage for two weekends straight and not make cabinets this nice. Well, maybe IgnoringMyWife or Deewan could, but certainly not me. They're not the "truck bed liner" material; they're a nice semi-gloss enamel black. Very nice and in excellent condition.

I have all the model numbers on drivers in an email, and you can order everything from Parts Express. They used an Eminence 6.5-inch mid-bass driver, and an Eminence compression driver with "butt-cheek" waveguide. All you'll need is the drivers, some stuffing, a crossover, and a terminal cup. I think they were rated at 93dB efficiency, so you can drive these to reference sound pressure levels with AVR power. They aren't JTR's or anything, but they would be a HUGE upgrade if you're still using small bookshelf-type speakers with silk-dome tweeters.

Below is some info I found searching around - I think on AVS - that eD posted back when they were just getting ready to release them.

Let me know if you have any questions.

I'll fill you all in later, but for now let's just say I'm purging to lighten our load.

Cheers!

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Developed, engineered and produced in our Iowa facility using Green building techniques, and US labor. All eD[c] speakers feature high efficiency midrange and horn loaded compression driver.

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Smaller design for those who cannot fit a larger cabinet as their mains, or for use with the eD[c]12 as surrounds. Share the same compression driver as the larger eD[c]12. Horn body is adjustable for vertical and horizontal placement.

8.5″ Wide
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eD[c]6
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ecrabb... do you have the crossover diagram allowing us to build the crossover?
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ecrabb... do you have the crossover diagram allowing us to build the crossover?
I do not, but my neighbor friend is an avid speaker builder and had plugged the cabinet volume and port specs into a piece of loudspeaker design software he uses, along with the driver models, and it gave a pretty standard crossover config. It's apparently a pretty simple affair, but I never got that far before I got crazy busy this spring.

He also bought two of the same cabinets. He was going to try some different drivers, and I was going to try the original spec drivers. If you're interested, I'll connect you two. He's a good guy. He's done a lot of scratch building and designing, including crossovers, from big live sound monitors to tiny line arrays, to more traditional MTM designs, to big subs. His house is probably 75 yards from mine, and some nights I can hear him testing his designs - in his living room with no windows open.

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ecrabb... ignoringmywife has your demo disc I made for ya. So make sure you don't let him keep it for himself!!! He is sneaky like that.
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ecrabb... ignoringmywife has your demo disc I made for ya. So make sure you don't let him keep it for himself!!! He is sneaky like that.
Muhahahahh.

Next, I'm going to steal... wait for it... the MOON!
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These are as close as i can find to my scenes. All scenes are in HD and I think HD audio. If not HD audio, full 7.1 DTS. The links I provided are not HD video or HD audio, just wanted to give anyone who doesn't know the scene an idea of the scene. I normally like scenes that seem like short movies and have a good mix of surround, bass, and visual eye candy. I'm creating this demo so it can be placed on a thumb drive and played on anything... a movie streamer, Oppo Blu-Ray player Samsung Blu-Ray player... pretty much anything that will play video files. No special hardware or software needed and I can take the thumb drive with me to most stores and be able to demo it. Which is great so I can watch scenes I know when demo'ing gear.

1) Opening car chase seen from Quantum of Solace. that may actually have made one of the discs. I don't recall.

2) The Aviator XF-11 Test Flight.

3) Ender's Game - Final Battle Scene (newer movie so hasn't been on a disc yet??)

4) Star Wars Episode 1 - Duel of the Fates

5) Star Wars Episode 2 - Yoda vs Dooku

6) Tim Reynolds - Betrayal

7) Polar Express - Train arrival

8) The Natural - Home Run (my clips contains the strike and the broken bat scenes as well.

9) Seabiscuit - Final Race

10) Oblivion - Drone Scene

11) Star Trek - Fire Everything to the wrap scene with core ejection

12) Back to the Future - Horns from Vienna Horns

13) Die Hard - Not gonna Die today and leading into this... Helicopter scene

14) 2 Fast 2 Furious - Drag Race

15) Bolt

16) Tron Scene - Before the grid
Deewan, so first of all this is a brilliant idea to have a demo disc with cut scenes like this. Can I ask...how do you rip or obtain these scenes and retain full Lossless audio and and HD picture (obviously if you have the source to begin with)? Whenever I've ripped Blu rays, it requires me to compress the image and basically destroy the audio with lossy compression. What format do you keep it in on a thumb drive so it retains the full quality and don't you run into issues with the thumb drive not being able to transfer data fast enough?
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Deewan, so first of all this is a brilliant idea to have a demo disc with cut scenes like this. Can I ask...how do you rip or obtain these scenes and retain full Lossless audio and and HD picture (obviously if you have the source to begin with)? Whenever I've ripped Blu rays, it requires me to compress the image and basically destroy the audio with lossy compression. What format do you keep it in on a thumb drive so it retains the full quality and don't you run into issues with the thumb drive not being able to transfer data fast enough?
I own use either DVD-Fab or MakeMKV to rip my Blu-Rays to my NAS. MakeMKV is freeware, so I really like it. I've found that it offers:
* Zero loss in quality (Full 1920 x 1080 image - Full HD Audio)
* MKV container is easier to stream on a network
* File size of the MKV will be smaller than the ISO as you only keep the Playlist, Subs and Audio tracks that you need.
* Subtitles are supported (depending on the media player you use)
* Chapter functionality is fully retained (again depending on the media player you use).
* As the MVC is one file within the MKV it solves the problem of branched BD’s – Most players cannot deal that well with M2TS / HD Audio files that are split -- you can get audio and picture freeze when jumping from one branch to another.

If you have a media player that performs well with .ISO files, then I would suggest DVDFab and rip .ISO files. They are larger and tend to include a few more items (audio tracks) that you may not want. But it is more like having the full disc at the tips of your fingers.
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Hey, what's everybody up to?

For the last six weeks or so, I've been on the DL with "a knee". During that time, I've watched quite a few movies. I continue to enjoy the huge plasma feel of the room and can't wait to throw on some football with the lights on.

With the knee nearly healthy, I'm getting the itch for a HT project of some sort. Sadly, I have nothing in the hopper or that needs to be done. Plus, I think I am starting to sort of, kind of, maybe agree with visitors who think I have enough subs. So, I'm hoping to scratch this itch vicariously here. Anybody?

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Well, once golf season ends I will be starting to tackle my remaining projects... 2 rear subs, 2nd row bar. If you want to smell the sweet, SWEET scent of MDF, you can come over for my sub build.
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I love the smell of MDF in the morning...

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Hey, what's everybody up to?

For the last six weeks or so, I've been on the DL with "a knee". During that time, I've watched quite a few movies. I continue to enjoy the huge plasma feel of the room and can't wait to throw on some football with the lights on.

With the knee nearly healthy, I'm getting the itch for a HT project of some sort. Sadly, I have nothing in the hopper or that needs to be done. Plus, I think I am starting to sort of, kind of, maybe agree with visitors who think I have enough subs. So, I'm hoping to scratch this itch vicariously here. Anybody?
Maybe an automated masking system for your screen? I know it's probably hard to prioritize that. I keep meaning to do something for mine, but the black level is good enough that I forget about the extra screen and just watch the content. Your setup could only be better. Although with the lights on a motorized masking setup would be pretty cool.

Anymore bass in that room may introduce heart arrhythmia!
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That is a good suggestion except that the BD does a really good job with black levels for black bars with the lights out and keeps things in the tolerable dark gray area with the lights on. I'm not a videophile so this usually works for me as I only tend to watch TV/Sports with the lights on. The World Cup, Golf, NBA and MLB have all looked incredible with lights - IMO, Football is hypnotic

I am a little curious about how a DIY masking system could fit in and still maintain a low profile look of the front wall. I'd be interested to see what you come up with.

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Well my budget won't allow for anything fancy. And since 99% of my viewing is lights out, I don't know if I will ever get around to it. If do decide to do it I am planning on using plastic hooks attached to matte board or something similar and hang them from the top of the screen. To finish the boards, I would roll a light coat of paint onto them that matches the walls and then the edge I would put a black velour strip that matches the width of the screen border. That would come closest to making the excess screen "disappear". I would probably do a 4 panel system for 1.85:1 and 1.33:1. The main panels would be for 16:9/1.85:1 and then smaller panels would be used to be able to extend them in for 4:3/1.33:1.

A masking system would actually be more beneficial in a setup used with the lights on. Then no one would see the unused screen. For setup as high end as yours you would probably want something motorized. Then you could macro it with your control software. My solution would be a < $20 Michaels trip


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Coming for an old screen that had a semi-automated masking system (my hands), I found rarely used the masking system. I found that any movie that featured subtitles didn't play well with masking systems. At least 50% of the time the subtitles were displayed in the bottom back bar by default. Have you ever tried reading subtitles on blackout cloth? NOT EASY!! I know there are ways around having the subtitles on the bottom black bar, but personally I'd rather they be below the movie picture since subtitles on the video portion seemed distracting and sometimes difficult to read because the backdrop is a moving picture.

It's my two cents that Kimball is golden since he has the black diamond and really has little or no need for a masking system even in a lit room. And I think Joel is golden because he watches in a room without light and the black bars (especially with his JVC projector) will be pretty damn close to as black as the rest of the room. NEXT PROJECT IDEA!!
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Coming for an old screen that had a semi-automated masking system (my hands), I found rarely used the masking system. I found that any movie that featured subtitles didn't play well with masking systems. At least 50% of the time the subtitles were displayed in the bottom back bar by default. Have you ever tried reading subtitles on blackout cloth? NOT EASY!! I know there are ways around having the subtitles on the bottom black bar, but personally I'd rather they be below the movie picture since subtitles on the video portion seemed distracting and sometimes difficult to read because the backdrop is a moving picture.

It's my two cents that Kimball is golden since he has the black diamond and really has little or no need for a masking system even in a lit room. And I think Joel is golden because he watches in a room without light and the black bars (especially with his JVC projector) will be pretty damn close to as black as the rest of the room. NEXT PROJECT IDEA!!
Sounds like masking on a CIW system. A CIH system like Kimball and I have you would mask the sides, not the top or bottom. So no conflict with subs unless they put them below picture (which means below screen in our case). Only ran into one film that does it so far and his Oppo can move them. Still, I don't disagree that it's not a huge need. It would just add a little polish to his setup when the lights are on. I just can't think of anything else to add. A 4k projector. More bass output than the average IMAX. Very nice Paradigms for the rest of the channels. What's there to add? Some swag maybe?

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Oh yea. I forgot you two were running 2.35 screens. Motorized side masking would be pretty easy to install, except on a zero edge screen like Kimballs. No place to hide the motor or masking material with zero edge.

Kimball, if you want a project to add some flare to the room, here are some ideas:
  • build shelves into the interior wall near your equipment rack to store movies and CD's. Use the movie posters (on piano hinges) your son bought you to hide the shelves. The posters can swing open from the side and possible be back lit. The shelves could also be lit to help see the titles of the media and to match the lighting you have in your built in shelves on the screen wall.
  • Update the dimmer switches so you can control the lights downstairs using your iRule
  • paint the grill covers of the surround speakers to match the wall color. Although I kind of like the white speaker grills in contrast to the wall color.
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Oooo how about flat panels turned on their sides showing a slideshow of movie posters to conceal the shelving? That could be cool. To far?

Yeah sidemasking would be tricky to be sure. You'd probably want to add some trim to the top and bottom to better integrate it. I'd think painting the speaker grills may mess with their acoustics. And I agree with you that the contrast was nice.

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Thanks guys. Joel, indeed, the subtitle adjustment feature of the oppo is quite nice for the very few times I've used it.

Hmm. I guess I'm looking for a project more for fun than to add flare as the understated style of the room is very appealing to me (us). Plus, I'm not up for cutting into the walls again and I agree with you guys on not painting the surrounds. However, the iRule controllable dimmer switches have me intrigued. I assume an IR blaster or IP controllable with ethernet snaked to the switch bay is the way to go? I'm going to give this one a little more thought. With my son heading to school, I'm thinking that tinkering around with something will keep me busy and perhaps even out of "potential trouble"...

"Potential Trouble": My meandering intermittent thoughts of building my own NAS and loading up terabytes of movies for instant access...this despite my limited (non existent) software technical skills.

BTW, Darren, thanks again for the BD demo disks from a while back. Just about everybody wants to experience just one more clip, even at the risk of incurring spousal wrath.

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Thanks guys. Joel, indeed, the subtitle adjustment feature of the oppo is quite nice for the very few times I've used it.

Hmm. I guess I'm looking for a project more for fun than to add flare as the understated style of the room is very appealing to me (us). Plus, I'm not up for cutting into the walls again and I agree with you guys on not painting the surrounds. However, the iRule controllable dimmer switches have me intrigued. I assume an IR blaster or IP controllable with ethernet snaked to the switch bay is the way to go? I'm going to give this one a little more thought. With my son heading to school, I'm thinking that tinkering around with something will keep me busy and perhaps even out of "potential trouble"...

"Potential Trouble": My meandering intermittent thoughts of building my own NAS and loading up terabytes of movies for instant access...this despite my limited (non existent) software technical skills.

BTW, Darren, thanks again for the BD demo disks from a while back. Just about everybody wants to experience just one more clip, even at the risk of incurring spousal wrath.
With 3 and 4TB drives getting reasonable it is getting pretty feasible to store Blu-Ray content on a server. Hardware NAS devices are pretty reasonable. We use Synology and Qnap here at work, but even some of the WD, Netgear and Seagate units are pretty good. Most are very turn key affairs. Here's a bare Qnap unit:

newegg+com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822107109

Website keeps changing this to an Amazon link which is $100 more. WTF? Add a www. and change the + to . and you'll have the right link.

Add in some vendor approved 3 or 4TB drives and you'll end up with 9-12TB of space. The other 2 pieces are getting the Blu Rays into files you can store and playing them back. Darren's little device the MED600X3D will handle the playback:

http://www.mediaconceptusa.com/mede8er.html

Great little device at under $200.

So that leaves you with getting the Blu Ray on there. You'll need something to strip the copy protection and either store the files as ISO or convert them to something like MKV files. That piece will probably be the most difficult to tackle, but once you have it down you'd be good. Oh and you'd need wired Ethernet to ensure that you get smooth playback.


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BTW, Darren, thanks again for the BD demo disks from a while back. Just about everybody wants to experience just one more clip, even at the risk of incurring spousal wrath.
Glad you are enjoying it. the demo gets the same reaction at my house. Actually had an old volleyball friend of mine be threaten and yelled at by his wife to the point I got uncomfortable and said, "maybe the rest can wait until next time."

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With 3 and 4TB drives getting reasonable it is getting pretty feasible to store Blu-Ray content on a server. Hardware NAS devices are pretty reasonable. We use Synology and Qnap here at work, but even some of the WD, Netgear and Seagate units are pretty good. Most are very turn key affairs. Here's a bare Qnap unit:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822107109

Add in some vendor approved 3 or 4TB drives and you'll end up with 9-12TB of space. The other 2 pieces are getting the Blu Rays into files you can store and playing them back. Darren's little device the MED600X3D will handle the playback:

http://www.mediaconceptusa.com/mede8er.html

Great little device at under $200.

So that leaves you with getting the Blu Ray on there. You'll need something to strip the copy protection and either store the files as ISO or convert them to something like MKV files. That piece will probably be the most difficult to tackle, but once you have it down you'd be good. Oh and you'd need wired Ethernet to ensure that you get smooth playback.
My entire NAS movie setup cost less than $500. It may not be as crazy awesome as some, but for the price and the easy of setup, I figure it is a complete steal of a deal.


1) D-Link DNS-323, only $80. I bought mine new for $125, but used is a good option. D-Link also offers a new model that could be purchased new if you want to stay away from used gear... D-Link 2-Bay Cloud NAS.

2) Two 2TB drives. $97 each. Plug and play with the NAS box.

3) Mede8er 600x3d. $190 when I bought it.

4) Blu-ray drive. Tons of options here, but this has the same specs as mine (slightly different model). Samsung Blu-Ray drive. $79.99

5) MakeMKV is used to rip the Blu-Ray. It strips out the copyright, trailers, allows forced subtitles and keeps chapter info. Best part, it's FREE!!!

So for my exact setup it would cost $524.99, delivered to your door. The hard drives just pop into the NAS cabinet. The NAS box itself has a easy to use software to setup and format the hard drives. Then simply use MakeMKV to rip your movies, plug and play the media player as you would a standard video device, and you are ready to enjoy movies. No NAS software to learn or install. No trouble with board compatibility or codecs that you might run into with a htpc. Easy to install, easy to use, and cheap!
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