Originally Posted by Yahwey
A.) Hey, fight the power!!
Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, JFK, Lincoln, Gandhi, and Jesus were ridiculed and killed off, while trying to make the world a better place, that's just how we humans are.
Regardless, I said once before that you
could be the one finding the Holy Grail of settings for this TV.
B.) I think I disagree that the 67" intentionally uses a different color decorder than the 61". If there is a difference, I believe it has more to do with the different suppliers supplying the same component than anything else, which may cause slight variances even between the same model number.
I was told the light engine in the units were the same... if that's true it just shows the variance between your 61A750, Mike Pro's 61A750 and Lee Baily's 61A750... This is no big surprise and I doubt I'll get a lot of disagreement on this point, it also shows how unwise it is to use someone eleses service menu settings without having some tool to measure the results.
Digital Video Essentials is designed so an amateur can calibrate their set to the best of the sets abilities outside service menu tweaks. After a pro calibration you should have the benefit of proper color balance at 6500k... Well, out of the box with my 67A750 I could get proper color balance at the cooler temp (Standard mode) but I have to sacrifice that balance for the warmer temp that's closer to standard... Unlike some my past arguments, this is something any non-color blind person can test with a Joe Kane's tri-color filter and by adjusting the Tint control on the TV...
When it comes to 6500k color being the best choice, well I believe my view has been skewed by the inconsistency among the pro ISF calibratied displays I've seen. Proving that ISF calibrators can be a bit like the barber- but once he's done it doesn't grow back
When you combine this with am abundance of want-to-be non-certified calibrators fueling stream of advice, all with egos (myself not excluded) trying to push their points things get very overwhelming. Even the CNET reviewer points readers to Movie Mode Warm 2 without mentioning the superior color balance of Standard mode using factory service menu settings.... That's because he's on the same quest everyone seems to be, pursue near 6500k (US broadcast standard gray scale) at all cost... Shouldn't have your color balanced be at least as important? And if you are not going to enter the service menu then what trade off are you going to decide to make and recommend to others!
These are important questions I think that get lost. A good number of us want to follow the advise of the manufacturer and stay out of the service menu or we don't trust using others settings blindly. I hope my most recent settings help those people. While gray scale accuracy for broadcast standards are different around the world, color balance is non subjective. That should tell you which is more important
ISF calibrators seem much more open minded on this. They will not concede the accuracy of the 6500K standard and the importance of trying to get there, but most of the ones I talked to were also realistic about trade offs people might have to make.... Personally I don't see how anyone would sacrifice color balance to get closer to proper color temp, but to each his own I guess. Through my own diagnostics (no help to anyone here) the color imbalance on the Move/Warm 2 setting seem to be what was causing my reference points to be off. My comments about the sky not looking right, pictures of ice caps and polar bears being clearly off... The reason why was confirmed for me. My solution is either pro calibration -or- use Standard mode. Through out all my ranting, no one here reasoned this and recommended what the problem might be or why I might be perciving Standard mode to be more accurate. The distinguish between proper color balance and proper color temperature was never proposed... If it's true Move/Warm 2 is closer to the US broadcast standard then they are not synonymous.
The red issues on Move/Warm 2 can be adjusted through service menu, but Lee Baily's settings don't get me there and that means they might not
get you there or others here there either. All of this says nothing about Lee's abilities to measure color or the accuracy of his test (all performed solely on his display), it's just important to know it's not going to be the Holly Grail for everyone and could (as in my case) get you further from the mark in terms of RGB balance.
This will be the third time I've said this, but it seems like someone else here could take some color measurements and generate the same charts Lee has been posting to show just how well his settings transfer from one display to another....
For those with Digital Video Essentials I would be curious to see how close their color decoder is working to mine, if someone would be willing to go back to factory service menu settings and give my settings a try... I wonder what kind of difference we're looking at set to set.