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post #271 of 862 Old 09-23-2008, 01:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Yeah if you'll help me carry my 200 lb 36" Panny CRT upstairs!

Good luck with the A650, you'll probably see minor bowing when you look hard but I think you'll be happy.

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Yeah if you'll help me carry my 200 lb 36" Panny CRT upstairs!

Good luck with the A650, you'll probably see minor bowing when you look hard but I think you'll be happy.

I've moved one of those 300lb sony monitors before and it wasn't fun

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just bought a 61a650 for 1299 at fry's. pretty good deal i think and will be delivered on sunday. I like the idea of the led's but in the store they always had a green/bluish tint which made white look horrible to me. I keep reading so many rave reviews of the led unit but the color just doesnt look right to me. I also strongly considered the 65 inch mitsu's but in the end i decided the picture was the same on both the samsung and mitsu bulb units. After that I pretty much decided on the samsung because it is more stylish and 61 inches really is big enough. Cant wait to set it up!
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I noticed yesterday that the 50" is no longer listed on the CC website. I bought one from their website (for in-store pickup) just last Friday. I figured I'd check their site periodically in case of a price reduction (don't know if they'll refund the difference if they reduce their price within 30 days or not, but thought I'd check).

Wonder what this means...

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Don't know, Brian, but no doubt competition between DLPs and flat panels is toughest at 50" where more people can justify the cost of a flat panel. At 56" and above flat panel prices can take your breath away.

I'd think Samsung would continue with the 50" throughout the model year but wouldn't be surprised to see the 50" and maybe even the 56" not be offered in next year's lines. DLPs may be king of the 60" - 73" market next year.

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I'm just glad I got in on it when I did. My situation is perfect for the 50" (couldn't handle any larger) and I had serious concerns about the maturity of LCD technology. With the money I saved, I can now afford that Denon 1909 AVR I've been researching.

By the way, I've only watched a couple of DVDs so far, but they look great. I'm very pleased with this set.

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Is the PQ better on this than the LED Version? Also, I heard the LED version has some screen tilt and geometry issues. Does this have geometry issues also?
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Update. I talked the the service person today. He asked me for the version # on the tv. After I gave it to him he said that he would take care of it. I asked him what is the next step, he said that he had to order the part!!!! I asked him did he know what the problem was, he said yes. I also asked him if he has seen this problem before and he said yes.
I guess that all the things that I have been seeing are not from SSE or the signal I was receiving. The bottom line here is that even a Samsung HLxxA650 can have problems.


UPDATE 2 I know that this is hard to believe but I still have not had my TV fixed. The repair rep is still waiting for the Part. He tells me that this is very typical for Samsung. So lets see, brand new tv that is bad and a company that takes forever to get parts from. Not a good combo. Looks like the first and last Samsung I buy. I will let you know on the repair when it happens
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Any chance of getting him to tell you what "The Problem" and "The Part" are? I wouldn't let the guy get away with being so vague. Sorry you're having trouble but this doesn't mean all A650s or all Samsungs are bad. Look around in other threads and you can find people saying the same thing about other brands. If he can't fix it to factory specs definitely demand another set.

Hee, hee, I had to look at your earlier posts, ktm250. I sure wouldn't tell them I was poking around changing things in the service menu! Don't think that would be to your advantage... did what you changed make any difference, positive or negative?

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I am very pleased with the IQ of the 50a650...but am very curious about one thing...
On P1 of this thread, the examples of the settings show contrast set as high as 100 (3 others @ 84 and above)...my room is dark (with a dark wall behind the set) and that may be a very determining factor, but my contrast is set at 57...any higher and the whites get washed out and bleed over the blue letters in the cable guide...
...most of the other settings are pretty similar to Quenton's (the a650 owner on the list)...some differences are expected as most imaging is a matter of personal preference...

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Let's think about this. If the picture was good, I would not have been in the service menu. All the changes I tried made no difference. Garbage in Garbage out.
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kitatiger, do you have Dynamic Contrast turned on? I noticed when I set it to Low I had to back off Contrast to 60 or so. When I turned DC off I had to bump up Contrast above 90. If that's not the case I suppose it's a difference in viewing area, individual TVs and preference?

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... Garbage in Garbage out.

Well we agree there. If your input is bad so will be the display. Hope you get this resolved.

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kitatiger, do you have Dynamic Contrast turned on? I noticed when I set it to Low I had to back off Contrast to 60 or so. When I turned DC off I had to bump up Contrast above 90. If that's not the case I suppose it's a difference in viewing area, individual TVs and preference?

When viewing HD...Dynamic Contrast is OFF and contrast set to 55 in Movie mode...brightness is 60, sharpness 0, color 50...guess it is a "difference in viewing area, individual TVs and preference" as you say...

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guess it is a "difference in viewing area, individual TVs and preference" as you say...

I think that...(other than the difference between day and night ambient light, which I try to equalize)...the biggest difference is source material...there's a considerable visual difference among the varied sources...different OTA HD channels, cable SD...not to mention the specific production qualities/values of specific programs...compare for example Miami CSI and Cold Case...the colors, the emphasis at different tones and levels is considerable...soooooo.....

I've set up a series of 4 levels of contrast and color levels starting with movie at the 'flattest', moving up ever so gradually in contrast and color levels, through cinema, standard and on to dynamic so I can quickly get the image best for every show...(wifey thinks I go overboard on this but it makes a dfference to me and there's no point not taking advantage such a nice screen...)

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Hey all, I skimmed through this thread and didnt see an answer to my question, so here goes. I bought a HL56A650 last weekend. It came tuesday, i fired it up, it was great!! Yesterday I turned it on, and all i had was sound and a black screen. I skimmed the owners manual, it said turn on and turn off the tv a few times. That didnt work. I unplugged the power cord and replugged it. That worked. Finished watching tv, turned it off. About 2hours later i returned to watch tv. The same thing happened. I had to unplug it to get a picture. Its a brand new tv, i do not want to have to do this every time i want to watch something. Does anyone know what this could be, or should i return the tv and get a new one? Please help.
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You got the black screen on every source and menus wouldn't display also - until you unplugged? This is not normal, I'd exchange it.

BTW, welcome S99! Good luck and let us know who you bought it from and how they handle the problem.

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Can not say specifically what's wrong with the unit (power supply, igniter, etc.) If you otherwise like the the PQ of the unit (no geometry problems, etc.), since it's still under warranty, get a tech in to check it out. Otherwise, get a replacement (assuming you can do so without costs).

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Don makes a good point, some sets have more bowing than others so if this one was good you may want to get it fixed, especially if you bought it online. If you bought local, then exchanging it would be much easier.

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You got the black screen on every source and menus wouldn't display also - until you unplugged? This is not normal, I'd exchange it.

BTW, welcome S99! Good luck and let us know who you bought it from and how they handle the problem.


Yes that is exactly correct! no picture, no menu display, just sound. I purchased it at Circuit City. I guess i'll be calling them tonight. Or should I try samsung first? BTW is this a common problem?
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No, it's not common with the A650.

It's kinda up to you, do you want this one fixed or do you want a new one?

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I called Samsung. Fairly good customer service rep. I have a local electronic repair person coming to replace the bulb, power supply and igniter. Parts should be in tuesday. Thanks for the input guys!
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I am considering making the move to a big (bigger then my current 30" Sony CRT anyway) screen tv and was looking at the 50" samsung 6-series. My question concerns picture quality at the distances I am sitting at. My room is just a bedroom and while setup as best as it can be, I would only be sitting 65" away from the 50" screen with my eye sight leveled at about 10" from the bottom of the screen (meaning I would have to look just a bit up to see the whole screen). Is this viewing angle and distance going to work with this RPTV?

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That should work all right Steve. Better go look at one in a showroom to be sure 5-6' isn't too close for you. Many others like to be that close but you'd better see how it works for you. 1080p helps a lot but look for SDE issues. And SDTV will look awful but it does at 10' also. Of course try vertical angle too, but that sounds about right..

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Behind the set are two cases holding VCR tapes, on top of which are a Dynaco A25 speakers.
Behind the base (just seen behind the small carving of the woman carrying a basket on her head) is the center A25 to bring down the aural image...2 more A25s are at the side walls for surround sound...
To the far right is the tower of AV electronics including a turntable at the top lucky all Sami's inputs are on the right....
It's all set up in my refinished garage (actually it was never a garage...but the GC office in this one-time model home)...the TV is in the inset designed for the wash/drier and the tower is half-set in a broom closet...
To the right of the tower, off the pic is my computer desk wired to the tower and TV for recording to my HD and DVDs...
I sit 8' from the set which is slightly tilted down, and since I lean back on my recliner, my head is tilted up at the screen, just the way I like it...and a lot darker without the bright flash!

That's a pic of my dad in his best Ben Hogan look...and behind the Sami to the left is a 9" fan keeping the rear cool, and another at the base of the tower to keep me cool.

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Tight fit, K! Nice that you got it all in there...

Is that an 80's AKAI turntable? I have one that looks like that, got it in about 1982 and it still works great.

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The tt is a technics workmanlike direct drive from about the same era...(I have a bunch of Duals that need belts and can't be bothered with maintaining their delicate nature)...
I probably could've gone up to 56, but this was the deal BB gave to me, and I ain't complainin!

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"Turntable"? Isn't that the thing that spins around inside a microwave oven?
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Yeah my Akai is a DD too. Loved my old Pioneer but belts just don't last throughout the decades. I still rip vinyl tracks from vintage LPs and 45s to CD and MP3.

May have to use the MV if this turntable ever quits!

Man I don't know if a 56" woulda fit there, K.

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Not that I am asking anyone to make the decision for me, but I hate that I can't decide whether to upgrade my TV or not. I am so used to the almost perfect picture quality of my 30" sony CRT (plus being really picky about performace) that I don't know if I can live with the compromises of other display technologies. I love my CRT, but its too small at 30" and I am really wanting to move to up the 'film look' (ie 24fps). The whole reason I'm in the upgrade mood is the amazing price of the Samsung 50" RPTVs. ($1000 w/ free delivery!) But I just can't stop looking at that glittery high gain screen...don't know if I can live with that, or is it going to be better in a dark room, etc. Even after tuning the floor model with the settings found in the FAQ the picture still looks horrible, though it is a floor model running off of the coax input. The floor model LCDs looked much better, but they still have motion jitter (which I can see) and are too expensive. Meanwhile, a front projector is overkill for just a 46-50" screen (and too expensive).

Aghh!
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