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post #451 of 864 Old 12-06-2008, 11:09 AM
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ztreewin, how'd I miss that? Don't remove your pedestal, it's not meant to come off as it's part of the structure of the cabinet. I can envision all sorts of problems if you get the base all out of kilter.

I assumed this model was similar to its predecessors, which did allow removal.
I read several posts over time from 7178 owners doing this:

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sconso - Congratulations on your 7178. Did you remove the foot from the bottom of the TV?
Yes, to get the TV to match perfectly with the stand as shown in the stand spec sheet, you have to take the foot (plastic pedestal base that gives the TV a smaller footprint) off. There is no mention to do this or how in the manual. I bridged the TV on two sturdy chairs and had my wife hold it steady while I went under it to take the foot off. Remove two screws in the lower rear of the TV and then slide the foot toward the rear of the TV.
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Maybe the A650 is different.

Not sure I agree with your logic, but thanks for the advice
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question....all of those user settings there do not have dnie set to on. I thought that it greatly helped the picture quality? I havent set my tv up yet, so im curious as to its effect. Does it override all of your custom settings or something when it is on? if not, i dont see any reason why to not have it enabled.
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DNIe is available only in Dynamic Mode so not much interest there...

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I'm thinking of getting one of these. I have a custom entertainment cabinet, so I flat panel doesn't do much for me.

I currently have a JVC 55" HD-ILA 720p set. This looks like a great way to upgrade to 1080p & 120hz w/o breaking the bank.

Best Buy offers it for $999+a free Harmony 550 (which I don't need)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202649425028

but RC Willey offers price matching +10% theoretically selling it for $900.
http://www.rcwilley.com/Policies.jsp#price
http://www.rcwilley.com/GetProductDetail.jsp?id=1544748

What do you all think?
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Well I love my 56A650 and if you can get it for $900 that's a steal.

@Z, let us know how it goes if you try to remove your stand.

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I purchased the Samsung SAM HL56A650 DLP set on Thanksgiving. Circuit City had it on sale for $1199.00 (regular $1499) plus an additional 10% which knocked it down to $1079. I bought the 4 year warranty for $379. So I got the Tv and the plan still below the regular price of just the Tv. The set is still in the box as I am awaiting the matching samsung stand that I purchased from officetronics.com for just $49 plus shipping. The stand is listed well over $100 at most places and even over $200 on some other sites.

When I get the set up and running I'll offer my thoughts on it.
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Not sure where you live but I picked up my 56a650 from 6th ave electronics for $988 which included the matching Sammy stand. They run this sale almost every other week.






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I'm thinking of getting one of these. I have a custom entertainment cabinet, so I flat panel doesn't do much for me.

I currently have a JVC 55" HD-ILA 720p set. This looks like a great way to upgrade to 1080p & 120hz w/o breaking the bank.

Best Buy offers it for $999+a free Harmony 550 (which I don't need)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1202649425028

but RC Willey offers price matching +10% theoretically selling it for $900.
http://www.rcwilley.com/Policies.jsp#price
http://www.rcwilley.com/GetProductDetail.jsp?id=1544748

What do you all think?

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I hate to sound stupid, but this TV is 120hz? Or more importantly are able to get 24fps out of your BD-ROMs with it? I know the opening thread says it is 120hz (and he sounds like he knows his stuff), but Samsungs website doesn't mention it and someother sources I've found say it is 60hz (but they could be and are hopefully incorrect).

Thanks in advance.
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Proud new owner, love the picture so far. I have slight bowing, about and 1/8th of an inch. It seems to only be at the top, or its just a lot less on the bottom. anyway, i only seem to notice it on sports like most people with the score bar at the top When watching sports my score bar is and inch and a half from the top of the screen. Is this normal and where its supposed to be? Also, is there any home remedies for fixing the bowing a little? I can push on the top bezel in the middle and it seems to almost correct the bowing but it wont stay. Thanks for any help.
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I'll ask what probably is a FAQ but does anyone own a Samsung like any of those discribed above who has had it for more than a 1 1/2 years and it broke? Why I ask is that I owned an RCA RP and finally got my money back after 3 light engines. Then I got a Sony KDS60A2020 seventeen months ago and it just blew an Optical Block (light engine). Sony lost a class action on its first batch of RPs and its second series just received free extended warranties on the optical block to 2010, regardless of when they were purchased. Now, my newer A2020 blows an OB and I'm saying they ain't fixed the thing -- they're just replacing them. I want Sony to buy my TV back but I've just started that battle.

So, I'm looking for a rear projection that works for a good long time because the picture is big, great and I can afford it. That's why I'm asking about the Samsung.
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I hate to sound stupid, but this TV is 120hz? Or more importantly are able to get 24fps out of your BD-ROMs with it? I know the opening thread says it is 120hz (and he sounds like he knows his stuff), but Samsungs website doesn't mention it and someother sources I've found say it is 60hz (but they could be and are hopefully incorrect).

Thanks in advance.

These displays are capable of a "120 hz refresh rate." HOWEVER, that refresh rate is only relavent to the 3D capability. For all practical purposes, it is a 60hz display. Samsung removed all references to the 120hz from its web site.

On the other hand, the display can accept a 24p input. No one is sure what it does with the 24p input once it is received but IMO it does not do a 5:5 pull down which is needed to directly display 24p material at 120hz. More than likely, it is converted to 60hz first. Nevertheless, folks have reported excellent results using 24p from a bluray player.

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I am considering buying the 56A650, but I am concerned about ventialtion. The space I want to put it in would allow for 12" behind, almost no gap at the top, and maybe 1" on each side. Is this adequate ventilation? If not, any suggestions, or things I can do to help.

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The user's manual reads "When installing the product, make sure to keep it away from the wall (more than 10cm / 4inches) for ventilation purposes." I interpret this to mean 4 ins on all sides. However, there are reports in either this or the A750 thread of people housing their displays without problems in entertainment centers that do not have 4" clearance on all sides. Maybe someone using a close fitting enterment center will chime in.

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After lurking here for a while, I decided to take the plunge on a 56A650. Frankly, it was a little bit scary. I looked at them at 2 different stores and the setups both sucked. It really paled in comparison to the LCD's they both had lining the walls. It was going to replace a 4 year old Panasonic DLP that had a pretty good picture and I never had an ounce of trouble with. I simply wanted a 1080P set that was a little bigger (the cabinet in the wall had more room) and hopefully, a little better.

Got it home and set it up and all I can say is "whew !". It looks 3X as good as it looked in the store I couldn't be happier with the purchase. It's hard to believe that you can get a great looking 56" HD set for under $800. Since I didn't need to hang it on the wall (plenty of room behind), I got as great a picture as any of the high end LCD's (52 inch) and paid 1/3 the price. Can't beat that.

Thanks to all of you for giving me the faith to go for it. For anyone else on the fence that doesn't need to hang it on the wall, you'd be well served to save your $$$ and pick up one of these before they stop making them
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I just picked up a Panny DMP BD35 and it plays very nicely with my 72A650. Looks way better on the Sammy then the PS3 did.

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Hi-

puckcoach3, where did you find the 56" for $800? Seems like an awesome price.

Anyone have any more thoughts about putting one of these in an enclosed space?

Thanks.
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smagz, you're putting it into an enclosure? Is that an open back where the 12" are or is it closed in? If it's open and air can move freely behind the A650 that might be ok but not if that's dead air all around the set with only 1" on each side. They get hot and need ventilation.

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I too just got the Hl56a650 for $790 at Ultimate Electronics here in CO. I couldnt pass it up and I LOVE IT so far.

The only gripe I have is that when on 1080p set on the Xbox 360, the gameplay seems a little stuttered. When on 720p its flawless though. Anyone know why this may be?
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I just bought mine for $999 from RC willey, they priced matched Circuit City who has it on sale and if I find it cheaper in 30 days they will match that plus 10% off the difference. Comparing it to the JVC 55" HD-ILA 720p pictured in my above posts;

Not as obvious as a difference as I was hoping but definitely noticeable.
Much brighter and vivid blues and greens
Can sit ALOT closer to TV due to 1080p resolution v 720p
Darker (completely) blacks
Much stronger antenna controller (HD broadcasts are stonger)
Less fan noise
Looks bigger even though it is physically smaller than the previous TV (the other was more square this one is rectangular) which makes it look more fancy in high tech.

Overall very happy with the purchase.
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anybody else have this problem? When viewing my 56" with content that is letterboxed, the top bar on my tv is about 3/8 of an inch bigger than the bottom one. is that normal? also, when hooking up my computer the screen is shifted to the left and there is a inch or more of black bar on the right. should i be concerned?
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smagz, you're putting it into an enclosure? Is that an open back where the 12" are or is it closed in? If it's open and air can move freely behind the A650 that might be ok but not if that's dead air all around the set with only 1" on each side. They get hot and need ventilation.

I am putting this in a built-in cabinet in the living room. Right now, the space is sealed on 5 sides, with the only opening being the front where the screen is. There is sheetrock on the sides and back, and cabinets above and below. I have gone back and remeasured. There would be 2 inches on the sides and 0.3 inches on the top. The space is 24" inches deep.

If just dropping it into the current space would give rise to heat problems, I can cut some (small) wholes in the upper or lower cabinet or cut out some of the sheet rock behind. My guess would be that this would all still be dead air because it would have no place to go from there. I could prop the cabinet doors open 0.25 to 0.50 inches if that made a difference. I could also cut the holes and put a fan or two to draw in or expel air into the cabinets.

I guess I could also try to create some sort of vent through the sheetrock into the next room. Maybe place a 4" pipe next to the TV exhaust that runs through the sheetrock and out a vent in the next room. If needed, I could put a fan next to or on the TV exhaust to help get the hot air out of the TV and through the vent.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I just got the 61" model and I will be posting screen shots comparing resolutions and everything. But I have to wait for my digital camera to arrive.
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Just wondering why nobody recommends turning on xvYCC? I am under the impression that this is a better color gamut than sRGB; am I wrong to think this? Thanks in advance for your replies!
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Just wondering why nobody recommends turning on xvYCC? I am under the impression that this is a better color gamut than sRGB; am I wrong to think this? Thanks in advance for your replies!

Actually in the first post rdgrimes does recommend turning it on. Most others including me like it off. Why not try it for yourself and see which you like? Of course let us know what you think.

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smagz, definitely get adequate ventilation to the set. The lamp gets hot and needs airflow.

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...took delivery yesterday of a HL72A650. Wow, very impressed.

I would like however to remove the pedestal/foot since I think it will look better without it on a 65" wide stand.

Can someone give me some removal tips?!
I've removed the two obvious screws attaching it the back, but pressing the tabs, I can't seem to get it to slide or drop in any direction...

I removed the 'foot' from my 72A650. As long as the resulting bottom of the set is properly supported along the width and depth of the bottom, there is no problem.

It looks cleaner without the foot, and lowers the entire set an inch or so.

I don't recall exactly what I did to remove the base, but I seem to recall there was a little 'trick' to get the base to slide off the bottom of the TV.

When you release the plastic catches (after removing the three screws, well I think it was three screws), it does take a little force to get the base to start sliding.

The frame of the 72A650 seems to be rather sturdy, and I carefully tilted my set to get at the base, without damage. The image on my screen is 100% square, before and after removing the foot, checked using a 1920x1080 cross hatch test picture.

I uploaded the test grid, but the forum re-sized it down from 1920x1080
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Boy the chassis of the 72" must be way different, on my 56A650 the back goes all the way down level with the front foot. I'm not going to turn it over to make sure but don't see any way to remove foot without having the set take on a tilt way forward. The foot seems to be part of the structure of the TV.

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anybody else have this problem? When viewing my 56" with content that is letterboxed, the top bar on my tv is about 3/8 of an inch bigger than the bottom one. is that normal? also, when hooking up my computer the screen is shifted to the left and there is a inch or more of black bar on the right. should i be concerned?

Anyone? Any suggestions?
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Hi all. I've been a lurker here for a while now and find this thread quite informative. As I am anxiously awaiting a reimbursement check for a dead RCA DLP, I've really been looking at the HLxx650 and 750's. I'm almost afraid to buy another RP DLP but I love the PQ and find the glare on most plasmas annoying and LCD motion blur atrocious. Trying to make the best educated purchase decision, I must pose a few questions and/or thoughts here.

Parts availabilty.... According to the complete parts list at samsungparts.com there are quite a few items that are listed as the dreaded "no longer available". This is what killed my RCA, should I be worried for a Sammy? One item in the list is:
Part Number: BP91-02112F Division: TV Description: ASSY ENGINE
Stock Availability: No longer available
Price: not available Specification 56 A650,DC4

The descriptions are rather vague but could this be the main light engine assy?

As a side note, could it be that these sets actually do have the DarkChip4 DLP? When looking up various parts, within the specifications it lists "DC4" for the replacement DLP unit also for the "engine assy" as listed above. Could it be, or is it a typo. The specs on samsung.com doesn't specify it, or at least that I've seen.
Part Number: 4719-001997 Division: TV
Description: DLP Stock Availability: Item usually ships in 3-5 business days.
Price: $289.35 Specification: 1920x1080/xHD5,0.65"/ DC4,Type X Non


It's really a great time of year to buy a new TV with all the holiday sales abound, but one can get so overwhelmed and sometimes even confused to what's out there. I'd really like to get the HL61A750 LED based set, but it's just outside of our budget and I'm finding awesome deals on the 650 series. I just want to make sure I'm not sitting here a year or 2 later without a TV for 50 plus days due to a breakdown and no parts availabilty.

I'm a gamer, but the wife watches movies on a regular basis. For the kids it's Spongebob 24-7 I'm looking for the most bang for the buck and the most enjoyable viewing experience. Our 7 y/o has special needs and is legally blind (yes he can see, but perhaps not like you or I) so the big TV is essential. Also part of the reason I don't want to deal with glare from a plasma or blur from an LCD.

One more thing. Has anyone considered adding an external fan (such as a PC case cooling fan) to their DLP set's lamp door cover or vent area? I wonder if it would provide enough air flow to perhaps give the lamp unit a significant enough temp drop to extend the lamp's life? Or would it pose another problem by introducing more dust into the lamp area?
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Any thoughts on what an acceptable ambient temperature is around the TV and the lamp? Thanks for all the help.
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