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post #991 of 11289 Old 07-06-2009, 11:03 PM
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Hey happy - those red and blue lines will help line up the black bars that show up on 4:3 material as well as letterbox material. If you hit FF or Rewind you will notice the blue or red lines change their alignment. If your letterbox and 4:3 material look fine to you, then you don't need to adjust these.

Thank you very much. I did not realize those could be adjusted. I've been just breezing past them.

Let me ask your opinion... if I'm trying to correct a slight bow that shows up near the top of the screen on long horizontal bars and menus (including the top letterbox bar)... should I correct it using the points/cursors on the main 16 point screen, or should I use those colored lines? Or a combination of both?

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bkwells, i am trying to fix the 4:3 black bars that seem to curve outward near the bottom half of the screen. you mention that the blue and red lines can be adjusted to fix this issue. for some reason those lines aren't visible on my screen. i have 16 points that'll adjust the green and yellow lines only. after adjusting these lines, it doesnt seem to have straightened the 4:3 black bars . when i move the frame around i can see a red line and a white line hidden , but no blue line. i do have a white line running across the middle of the screen vertically and a white line running across the middle of the screen horizontally. i also have 2 more white lines on both sides that seem to look like the ones that r used to adjust 4:3 black bars. unfortunately, i can 't adjust those lines. is there someway i can access those lines? thanks.
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Would THE MB-73PB Tv stand work for the mitsubishi wd-73837 even though its about 2 yrs old and went with the WD-73734 models?
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23" 1080p monitors are sooo cheap now you'd be absolutely foolish to give up an exceptional TV because you dont want to upgrade your old LCD monitors. Besides, 1080p content should be what you want to view off your PC anyway.

Example, Samsung 23" 1080p monitor for $153 (I have this exact monitor and it rocks!):
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/2234...itor-w-DVI-153
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That's pretty nice of them..I don't get why companies or upping prices rapidly or dropping them significantly and then back again, been happening a lot recently.

It's due to the manufacturer's M.A.P. (Minimum Advertised Price) policy taking affect on July 1st, then there were instant rebates available on select models July 3-6th.

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my wife saw a table that can support the 73 inch for under 300 bucks at ikea..


If you're going to store other electronics in the stand, make sure that you take the depth of the unit into account. None of the "TV Solutions" on Ikea's website, that were wide enough for the TV and are open in the front, for the other equipment, are deep enough to house my A/V Receiver.

You don't want to get something home from Ikea, assemble it, and then find out that your equipment is too deep for it.

Also, before writing off the stands that can be found at The Simple TV Stand Store, do a Google search on a model that you like. The stand that I found at Simple TV Stand for about $700 is available from an Amazon partner for less than $400, including shipping.
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I am in need of replacing my Samsung 67" LED DLP that lasted only 5 months. Based on my budget (cash back from Samsung) I get either the 73737 or 65837. I don't necessarily need the 73" screen if the picture quality of the 65837 is going to be much better. I can not find any 65837 to look at locally. I am not too familiar with Mitsu's technology for their DLP TV's and wanted to pose this question and see if anyone else has done a similar comparison. Which would you go for?
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I am in need of replacing my Samsung 67" LED DLP that lasted only 5 months. Based on my budget (cash back from Samsung) I get either the 73737 or 65837. I don't necessarily need the 73" screen if the picture quality of the 65837 is going to be much better. I can not find any 65837 to look at locally. I am not too familiar with Mitsu's technology for their DLP TV's and wanted to pose this question and see if anyone else has done a similar comparison. Which would you go for?

How far will you be sitting from the screen?

If the answer is more than 10', I'd lean towards 73737. If the answer is less than 10', then I'd probably lean towards 65837. If those are my only two choices. 65837 is better for dark scenes, but to me any PQ improvement from that would be overwhelmed from the PQ loss of the smaller screen if you are more than 10' away.
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Personally, I would suggest if your viewing distance is 10' or greater, go with the 73", if it's 8' or less go with the 65", and in between the two comes down to personal taste. I personally would probably lean towards size over better black levels, and fill that void with the 73". Others may go the other way.

EDIT: I hadn't seen georule's response when I started typing mine, so we're pretty much in agreement.

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FYI, HHGregg now has the 82737 listed on their website. That usually means an appearance in a store can't be too far off. :-)

http://www.hhgregg.com/ProductListin...ojection%20DLP
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Personally, I would suggest if your viewing distance is 10' or greater, go with the 73", if it's 8' or less go with the 65", and in between the two comes down to personal taste. I personally would probably lean towards size over better black levels, and fill that void with the 73". Others may go the other way.

EDIT: I hadn't seen georule's response when I started typing mine, so we're pretty much in agreement.

That's what I was thinking but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't a huge increase in picture quality/features bu jumping up to the 837. The viewing distance in the room varies between 8'-15' with an avg of 12'. Looks like I will try out the 73737 once I get my refund from Samsung.
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That's what I was thinking but I wanted to make sure that there wasn't a huge increase in picture quality/features bu jumping up to the 837. The viewing distance in the room varies between 8'-15' with an avg of 12'. Looks like I will try out the 73737 once I get my refund from Samsung.

I would definitely concur with your choice. I sit about 11-12 ft from my 62725 and when I upgrade, I'm going with the 73. Bigger is never a bad thing unless you're sitting crazy close. You won't regret it.
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Personally, I would suggest if your viewing distance is 10' or greater, go with the 73", if it's 8' or less go with the 65", and in between the two comes down to personal taste. I personally would probably lean towards size over better black levels, and fill that void with the 73". Others may go the other way.

EDIT: I hadn't seen georule's response when I started typing mine, so we're pretty much in agreement.

Heh, yeah. There's probably also some point not too far inside 8' where the pixel size on the 73" gets to be more noticeable/distracting as well. But I'd agree in that 8-10" range it would be a matter of taste. I found myself thinking in that range I might want to include the 65737 and the cost savings there in my thinking --tho with a warranty refund sometimes you have to spend the whole thing anyway rather than being able to pocket the difference or upgrade elsewhere (Blu-ray player, for instance).
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Thank you very much. I did not realize those could be adjusted. I've been just breezing past them.

Let me ask your opinion... if I'm trying to correct a slight bow that shows up near the top of the screen on long horizontal bars and menus (including the top letterbox bar)... should I correct it using the points/cursors on the main 16 point screen, or should I use those colored lines? Or a combination of both?

I used a combination of both, however the red line screen will have a bigger impact on overall bowing. Mine still shows slight bowing, but it's only really apparent on menu's such as the program guide from DirecTV.
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bkwells, i am trying to fix the 4:3 black bars that seem to curve outward near the bottom half of the screen. you mention that the blue and red lines can be adjusted to fix this issue. for some reason those lines aren't visible on my screen. i have 16 points that'll adjust the green and yellow lines only. after adjusting these lines, it doesnt seem to have straightened the 4:3 black bars . when i move the frame around i can see a red line and a white line hidden , but no blue line. i do have a white line running across the middle of the screen vertically and a white line running across the middle of the screen horizontally. i also have 2 more white lines on both sides that seem to look like the ones that r used to adjust 4:3 black bars. unfortunately, i can 't adjust those lines. is there someway i can access those lines? thanks.

While in the 16 pt screen, hit the down button on the remote - not the one surrounding the enter button, but the one below that. I'm not at home right now and don't have the remote in front of me at the moment. If I remember correctly, it's in between the volume down and the "-" buttons.

Your first screen should have a red line across the top about where the letterbox will be. Use the FF and Rewind buttons to adjust. Hit the down button again and you can adjust the red line across the bottom. Hit down again and the screen with 2 blue lines along the left and right sides where you would typically see the black bars on 4:3 material is next. Hit FF or rewind repeatable to cycle through the various settings until you find the setting you like.
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I used a combination of both, however the red line screen will have a bigger impact on overall bowing.

Thanks again. I'm going to check it out.

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Mine still shows slight bowing, but it's only really apparent on menu's such as the program guide from DirecTV.

That is exactly my situation. Exactly.

It's bowing. It's only 'slight'... and it's only visible on certain menu screens.

So why I am having trouble forgetting about it, and letting it go?

I don't know why I'm obsessed with fixing such a minor thing... but I'm pretty sure it's georule's fault. The bastard.

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I have the 73737 & I got a LACK stand from IKEA. It cost $70 & I was able to put my Blu-Ray, cable box & dvd/vcr in it. I had to put my receiver on a bookshelf because the space for the a/v devices is only 6 inches high.
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While in the 16 pt screen, hit the down button on the remote - not the one surrounding the enter button, but the one below that. I'm not at home right now and don't have the remote in front of me at the moment. If I remember correctly, it's in between the volume down and the "-" buttons.

Your first screen should have a red line across the top about where the letterbox will be. Use the FF and Rewind buttons to adjust. Hit the down button again and you can adjust the red line across the bottom. Hit down again and the screen with 2 blue lines along the left and right sides where you would typically see the black bars on 4:3 material is next. Hit FF or rewind repeatable to cycle through the various settings until you find the setting you like.

I wanted to highlight that post because I don't think anyone has given instructions for this before. I know we've talked about how to move the 16 points, but I don't remember seeing an explanation for how these other adjustments were used. Good stuff. Thanks for posting it bkwells.

And to those people who don't have, don't notice, or don't care about small geometry issues, just another friendly reminder to STAY OUT of the service menu. You can easily cause more harm than good if you're not careful. If you don't already notice a problem, don't go looking to fix one.

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Personally, I would suggest if your viewing distance is 10' or greater, go with the 73", if it's 8' or less go with the 65", and in between the two comes down to personal taste. I personally would probably lean towards size over better black levels, and fill that void with the 73". Others may go the other way.

EDIT: I hadn't seen georule's response when I started typing mine, so we're pretty much in agreement.

Now, for extra bonus points where would you draw that same line for 73837 vs 82737? Say 14' for "clear winner for screen size" and 12'-14' for "salt to taste"?
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Hmmm, no, I'd say 12' is clear winner. I'm at 10', and I'd easily take an 82" if I didn't already have a perfectly good 73" (and if I could make it fit where the 73" barely fits now, and if someone else was paying for it). But that's just me.

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Hmm, I'd probably take the 82" at 12' (space and cost allowing). I don't know that I would at 10' tho.

I do worry abit about the bulb being strong enough on the 82" too, but that's a slightly different point.
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I think this is the first 73737 "pro" review , just came up:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33604505.html

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I think this is the first 73737 "pro" review , just came up:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-33604505.html

Nice, thanks!

Does anyone EVER remember a cnet review of a Mits DLP that included as a plus "accurate color"? I'm straining to think of one.

Two of their minuses are inherent to the tech --its not a flat screen and no one should think it is, and it has a bulb that must be replaced from time to time. Dead-on on the remote tho!
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I think it was a solid review overall, with a lot of positives.

Really though, with it's price-performance ratio, I think the 737 deserves better than 3 stars... 3.5 sounds fair.

No complaints though. At least they reviewed it. Hopefully it will help keep 'some' attention on DLP.

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Hehe.. I noticed in the screenshots of the TVs menu in the review, it appears to have the same minor geometry issue we've been seeing... if you look at the top left side of the menu's border you will see it curves up slightly and closer to the frame edge than the top right side.

Ok, I really need to get this geometry stuff out of my mind. I'm seeing it everywhere now.

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Thanks bkwells. I will definitely give your suggestions a go tonight.
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I think it was a solid review overall, with a lot of positives.

Really though, with it's price-performance ratio, I think the 737 deserves better than 3 stars... 3.5 sounds fair.

No complaints though. At least they reviewed it. Hopefully it will help keep 'some' attention on DLP.

Happy, The review seemed to indicated one of the few weak points was lack of contrast and color saturation. Do you think that this is what the 837 adds to the mix and helps improve?
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Bama, in my opinion, yes, I really do. It's the final piece of the puzzle for me.

The iris (Dark Detailer) on the 837 steps right in where the 737 leaves off, and fills that void nicely. I honestly believe the 837 is on par with my '08 Panasonic plasma. So yes, for those people (like the CNET reviewer) who find the 737 somewhat lacking in that area, I feel confident the 837 would satisfy them, and be the icing on the cake, so to speak. Maybe they will do a 837 review soon. That would be great. I'd like to hear a pro's opinion.

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Bama, in my opinion, yes, I really do. It's the final piece of the puzzle for me.

The iris (Dark Detailer) on the 837 steps right in where the 737 leaves off, and fills that void nicely. I honestly believe the 837 is on par with my '08 Panasonic plasma. So yes, for those people (like the CNET reviewer) who find the 737 somewhat lacking in that area, I feel confident the 837 would satisfy them, and be the icing on the cake, so to speak. Maybe they will do a 837 review soon. That would be great. I'd like to hear a pro's opinion.

Well it is good to get first hand information from "our" resident pro here Thanks!
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Who is the 737 for? Anybody who wants a quality BIG TV without spending much money. Good all-around performance. Amazing value. Enough said.

Who is the 837 for? People who want a BIG TV and are typically attracted to high-end performance, but lack the bankroll to fund a television costing the equivalent of a small car. Realizing DLPs have their limitations, they still want as close to high-end performance as they can get, while staying within a reasonable budget.

And what do both people share in common? They are willing to sacrifice a little bit of image quality for much bigger size and much cheaper price.

I've had a few beers. I feel like a Mitsubishi salesman.

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