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ozuser's Avatar ozuser 12:22 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by Kren Mobius View Post

I'll tell you the story of how I bought my 65837 on Saturday.

I was initially considering the 73835 (Diamond) after I saw it at Best Buy on clearance ($1999) but then after assessing my room and viewing distance, realized 73" was just a tad too big and I'd have to settle for 65".

I ended up going to Electronic-Expo.com and finding a great deal in the circular for the 65835 at $1,487.80
So he emailed me back... told me the specs of the 837 and how it was better then the 835 and offered me the 65837 for $1347.30. I called him up and accepted the offer and I get it sometime this week....

Kren Mobius,

Price is unbeatable! Good luck! You need it - too many bad references about Electronic-Expo.

Please tell us about quality when you get TV delivered.

Though everybody can use their price as matching for other official Mitsubishi dealers to get a great deal.

Stew4msu's Avatar Stew4msu 07:15 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by Kren Mobius View Post

So the sales guy apologized and tried to sell me on the 837 instead and said it was an upgrade. Now, I didn't believe him and told him as such and said thanks but no thanks buddy,

But isn't the 837 an upgrade over the 835?
bslep's Avatar bslep 07:24 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by Corpsman View Post

Does anyone have a picture of an 82" with something in the picture that provides a size reference?

Attached is a pic of my Toshiba 72" and a picture of the 82837 in its place.
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Corpsman's Avatar Corpsman 07:28 PM 07-27-2009
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Attached is a pic of my Toshiba 72" and a picture of the 82837 in its place.

Is it considerably/noticeably bigger to you?
Darin's Avatar Darin 07:50 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

But isn't the 837 an upgrade over the 835?

It's essentially the newer version, and does have a couple improvements over the previous year (835).
KwisatzHaderach's Avatar KwisatzHaderach 07:52 PM 07-27-2009
For people with the 60737, did your set have a little to much green in the picture? What do I need to adjust to make hair look blond, instead of someone that jumped into a pool after they just bleached it?
Stew4msu's Avatar Stew4msu 07:58 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by Kren Mobius View Post

So... at a crossroad I decided to see what the price difference on that would be from the 737 to the 835, 6ave.com doesn't offer the diamond series (835)

They list the 65835 on their site.
georule's Avatar georule 08:15 PM 07-27-2009
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Originally Posted by KwisatzHaderach View Post

For people with the 60737, did your set have a little to much green in the picture? What do I need to adjust to make hair look blond, instead of someone that jumped into a pool after they just bleached it?

Do you have color temp at "low"? If you don't, try Picture Mode of Bright and Color Temp at Low, and knock the red down a little in Perfect Color.
bslep's Avatar bslep 05:12 AM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by Corpsman View Post

Is it considerably/noticeably bigger to you?

Good question. Just going 10" larger is not really a "considerable" difference. It is a difference, though and my room is large enough to handle that size.
qwickdraw4's Avatar qwickdraw4 06:06 AM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Good question. Just going 10" larger is not really a "considerable" difference. It is a difference, though and my room is large enough to handle that size.

Can I have your old Toshiba?
jek88's Avatar jek88 07:58 AM 07-28-2009
@dreaux
As you had both the 82 and 73 837 I'll direct this ? at you. I saw the 73 in a store the other day but they won't be putting the 82 out, only special order. I was wondering if there is any difference in contrast between the two? The 73 had great blacks but I worry the 82 won't have as good of contrast because of the screen size to bulb and other factors like that. Oh and would you mind putting up some after you calibrated with DV essentials photos?
avjohn's Avatar avjohn 10:04 AM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by georule View Post

Do you have color temp at "low"? If you don't, try Picture Mode of Bright and Color Temp at Low, and knock the red down a little in Perfect Color.


I tried 'low' for my 65837 when setting it up and found it way too warm. I was expecting a warm but this picture was a -strong- sepia(sp), just like old photographs, if you turned the color to 0. Tried adjusting the advanced colors, reducing reds, but any source looked like it had a orange filter over it, whites were not white and all colors were muted down like they were dirty.

So I put it on high, calibrated as close as I could, and it looks fine, though obviously on the blue/white side. My factory setup for 'low' must have been gooferd up. Maybe I'll save up and get it calibrated some day.
georule's Avatar georule 11:35 AM 07-28-2009
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I tried 'low' for my 65837 when setting it up and found it way too warm. I was expecting a warm but this picture was a -strong- sepia(sp), just like old photographs, if you turned the color to 0. Tried adjusting the advanced colors, reducing reds, but any source looked like it had a orange filter over it, whites were not white and all colors were muted down like they were dirty.

So I put it on high, calibrated as close as I could, and it looks fine, though obviously on the blue/white side. My factory setup for 'low' must have been gooferd up. Maybe I'll save up and get it calibrated some day.

Are you at Brilliant, Bright, or Natural? I started with Natural/Low (which is what the manual suggests to hit the D65 color standard), but eventually came to the conclusion it was too warm and the reds were too dull.

For the last few weeks I've been at Bright/Low with a little less red, and pretty happy with it. Someone on another thread with a colorimeter reports determining that Natural/Low is in fact too low, less than 6000k rather than 6500k, and that Bright/Low is a bit above D65, but still closer in absolute difference than Natural/Low.

High just doesn't look as good to me in any of the picture modes, but to each his own. . .
Matt.P's Avatar Matt.P 02:11 PM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by ozuser View Post

Did anybody have experience with defectictive TV from OneCall?

Non-Returnable Items:

OneCall is unable to accept returns of the following items:

* Televisions over 20 inches

How risky is buying from them if anything happens with the TV (defective) and there is a need for exchange or return.

They have current $100 Mitsubishi rebate in AmEx gift card and 18-month Mitsubishi credit card financing wit 0% interest though... And prices are pretty reasonable on some selected models.

Hey ozuser,

This is a valid concerns since we (OneCall) do not accept returns on TVs over 20 inches in the unlikely event there is a factory defect or you're not satisfied with the TV. In the unlikely event of a defect, or needing service, OneCall; as an authorized Mits retailer, will assist you in working with the manufacturer to make sure the issue is resolved and the TV works as it should. The only down side is the wait to get the issue resolved. Whether it takes two days or weeks, the wait to get your TV fixed is never enjoyable.

Shipping damage is a different situation and we do provide very specific instructions on inspecting the package and accepting the delivery. As long as the delivery instructions are followed, shipping damage will be resolved through OneCall.

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
Matt
illuvial's Avatar illuvial 04:04 PM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by Matt.P View Post

Hey ozuser,

This is a valid concerns since we (OneCall) do not accept returns on TVs over 20 inches in the unlikely event there is a factory defect or you're not satisfied with the TV. In the unlikely event of a defect, or needing service, OneCall; as an authorized Mits retailer, will assist you in working with the manufacturer to make sure the issue is resolved and the TV works as it should. The only down side is the wait to get the issue resolved. Whether it takes two days or weeks, the wait to get your TV fixed is never enjoyable.

Shipping damage is a different situation and we do provide very specific instructions on inspecting the package and accepting the delivery. As long as the delivery instructions are followed, shipping damage will be resolved through OneCall.

I hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
Matt

Nice!

I take that as a good sign.
illuvial's Avatar illuvial 04:05 PM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by avjohn View Post

I tried 'low' for my 65837 when setting it up and found it way too warm. I was expecting a warm but this picture was a -strong- sepia(sp), just like old photographs, if you turned the color to 0. Tried adjusting the advanced colors, reducing reds, but any source looked like it had a orange filter over it, whites were not white and all colors were muted down like they were dirty.

So I put it on high, calibrated as close as I could, and it looks fine, though obviously on the blue/white side. My factory setup for 'low' must have been gooferd up. Maybe I'll save up and get it calibrated some day.

That about sums up my situation. I purchased a colorometer to see if I can get white whites. We'll see.

I'll also look into the Low temp setting.
jbzngowest's Avatar jbzngowest 04:08 PM 07-28-2009
Long story short. I upgraded a perfect 65837 for a perfectly inflected/bowed73837. The 73 had so much inflection and bowing in the screen, it will be replaced by a new one next Friday afternoon. Cross your fingers that I can get a good replacement. This is a prime example of why you should use a local dealer, if possible.
VegasRph's Avatar VegasRph 04:09 PM 07-28-2009
I have the WD60737 model......................... and just a question out there for the Mitsu DLP owners.........how many of you have seen the Band of Brothers DVD series in Blu Ray?? I had a box set in SD DVD, but recently upgraded to the Blu Ray Box Set........WOW. Not only is this an INCREDIBLE/AMAZING series.......but in Blu Ray it is just so VIVID & DTS-HD audio is awesome.

There is a noticeable difference between SD/DVD & Blu Ray.......no question. I watched Part 1 & 2 (1st DVD) last night.......even my wife noticed the CLARITY & SOUND difference vs the SD/DVDs. Truly amazing.

These Blu Ray DVDs really "show off" the PQ of the Mitsu DLP. Amazing.

If you don't want to spend $60+ for the Blu Ray DVD Box Set.........try Ebay. I got mine BRAND NEW for $35.00 with free ship!!!!
illuvial's Avatar illuvial 04:28 PM 07-28-2009
I finally got around to trying the 1:1 pixel fix using the .ts files reported earlier. Much to my amazement, it does work exactly as stated. I can't say anything about true 1:1 since I don't know anything about it, but the effects described here did take place.

I loaded the vertical.ts file and saw the moiré pattern around the edge of the screen.

I entered the SM and pressed 0 to display the submenu, then I entered the Manual Geometry screen.

After moving the first crosshair one click (in any direction) I pressed Select to save the change.

The .ts file was then displayed again and all the moiré patterns were gone. Completely.

Now, I did notice that there are some geometry problems after doing this. The 4:3 lines and the 16:9 lines were bowed. I went back into manual geometry and selected Page Down to get to the 4:3 adjustment. After a few clicks on FF I found one that was straight. Then I clicked Page Down once more to get to the 16:9 adjustment and did the same.

After exiting the SM the moiré patterns were still gone.

I don't know what to think about all this since it was already stated that these units did not support 1:1. Yet the steps described seem to indicate otherwise.

Try it for yourself.
Kren Mobius's Avatar Kren Mobius 08:14 PM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

But isn't the 837 an upgrade over the 835?

It is, I said in the post I didn't realize that until after I got off the phone. What threw me was when I was researching online at Mitsu's site, they didn't list the 837 as "Diamond".. I didn't realize it at the time.

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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

They list the 65835 on their site.

Apparently they do, I went back and retraced my steps that led me to believe they didn't. I had used Mitsubishi's website and searched for 'local' and they got swallowed up by PC Richard and Son''s in my area, apparently they have a similar graphic. My bad (but it worked out in my favor... so not that big of a bad!)
Kren Mobius's Avatar Kren Mobius 08:42 PM 07-28-2009
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Originally Posted by ozuser View Post

Kren Mobius,

Price is unbeatable! Good luck! You need it - too many bad references about Electronic-Expo.

Please tell us about quality when you get TV delivered.

Though everybody can use their price as matching for other official Mitsubishi dealers to get a great deal.

Thanks for the info. It comes on Thursday, I have a form to check the box and the unit for damage.

Aside from that, this will be my first projector tv or big screen TV for that matter, (thus the discovery of this thread) so I'm at a loss for what to expect other then being in 'aww'.

I've ordered "Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics" and some extra HDMI cables but the DLP is arriving earlier then I thought, so they may not get here in time.
avjohn's Avatar avjohn 08:55 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by georule View Post

Are you at Brilliant, Bright, or Natural? I started with Natural/Low (which is what the manual suggests to hit the D65 color standard), but eventually came to the conclusion it was too warm and the reds were too dull.

For the last few weeks I've been at Bright/Low with a little less red, and pretty happy with it. Someone on another thread with a colorimeter reports determining that Natural/Low is in fact too low, less than 6000k rather than 6500k, and that Bright/Low is a bit above D65, but still closer in absolute difference than Natural/Low.

High just doesn't look as good to me in any of the picture modes, but to each his own. . .

I've kept it at natural, didn't want to run the bulb any brighter/hotter? If it doesn't put the bulb in overdrive I'll try that. Otherwise it looks fine to me, whites are 'Tide with Bleaching Power' white, but I'm getting used to the clean look now. Keeping the contrast down helps a bunch, along with tweaking the colors.

After 4 weeks with the 65837 I am 95% happy, the only thing that bothers me to any degree is the light falloff in the corners, it's pretty significant on my set. Otherwise I love it and would buy again. (getting the 73 if wife would let me)
mtallent's Avatar mtallent 08:58 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by illuvial View Post

I finally got around to trying the 1:1 pixel fix using the .ts files reported earlier. Much to my amazement, it does work exactly as stated. I can't say anything about true 1:1 since I don't know anything about it, but the effects described here did take place.

I loaded the vertical.ts file and saw the moiré pattern around the edge of the screen.

I entered the SM and pressed 0 to display the submenu, then I entered the Manual Geometry screen.

After moving the first crosshair one click (in any direction) I pressed Select to save the change.

The .ts file was then displayed again and all the moiré patterns were gone. Completely.

Now, I did notice that there are some geometry problems after doing this. The 4:3 lines and the 16:9 lines were bowed. I went back into manual geometry and selected Page Down to get to the 4:3 adjustment. After a few clicks on FF I found one that was straight. Then I clicked Page Down once more to get to the 16:9 adjustment and did the same.

After exiting the SM the moiré patterns were still gone.

I don't know what to think about all this since it was already stated that these units did not support 1:1. Yet the steps described seem to indicate otherwise.

Try it for yourself.

To really confirm 1:1 mapping, you need to play the horzpix1.ts test file. It is a pattern of alternating white and black vertical lines 1 pixel wide. From normal viewing distance the picture should look like a uniform gray screen with no light and dark vertical bands, when getting closer you should clearly see very fine black and white vertical lines all over the screen and no moiré anywhere. Also you can display a window with text using notepad and slowly move the window around the screen and the text should stay clear with no flickering as you move it.

Mike T
George Omoregie's Avatar George Omoregie 09:11 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by jek88 View Post

@dreaux
As you had both the 82 and 73 837 I'll direct this ? at you. I saw the 73 in a store the other day but they won't be putting the 82 out, only special order. I was wondering if there is any difference in contrast between the two? The 73 had great blacks but I worry the 82 won't have as good of contrast because of the screen size to bulb and other factors like that. Oh and would you mind putting up some after you calibrated with DV essentials photos?

Hi:

I owned both. I had the 73833 for about six months. I upgraded to the 82837, which was delivered on the 16th of May.
Comparing pictures of both. If using HDMI, the 837 is better.. at all levels, more picture adjustment, ISF calib, but if you are using Component the picture of the 837 is not as good as the picture of the 73833.
Overall, the 837 is far more advanced in make. It is very quiet, at the moment, no flaws detected yet.
It blends well the CEC- HDMI.

George T. Omoregie.
Darin's Avatar Darin 09:47 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by George Omoregie View Post

I had the 73833 for about six months. I upgraded to the 82837, which was delivered on the 16th of May.
Comparing pictures of both. If using HDMI, the 837 is better...

Keep in mind, however, the 833 and 837 are not going to be apples to apples comparisons. The 833 was still on the older DC3 DMD. According to TI, the newer DC4 (used in the '08 and '09 models) yields about 30% better contrast, and most in the '08 owners thread who were also familiar with the older models said the upgrade was definitely noticeable.
illuvial's Avatar illuvial 10:20 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by mtallent View Post

To really confirm 1:1 mapping, you need to play the horzpix1.ts test file. It is a pattern of alternating white and black vertical lines 1 pixel wide. From normal viewing distance the picture should look like a uniform gray screen with no light and dark vertical bands, when getting closer you should clearly see very fine black and white vertical lines all over the screen and no moiré anywhere. Also you can display a window with text using notepad and slowly move the window around the screen and the text should stay clear with no flickering as you move it.

Mike T

I did use the horizontal file as well as the vertical. They both worked fine. What I didn't use was a PC. I played the files through the network connection on the Blu-ray. I assume this is acceptable?
mtallent's Avatar mtallent 10:44 AM 07-29-2009
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I did use the horizontal file as well as the vertical. They both worked fine. What I didn't use was a PC. I played the files through the network connection on the Blu-ray. I assume this is acceptable?

Should be fine, I used my WD media player to find out that I had some computer setting problems that were the cause of not getting 1:1 to work from the computer and the WD did show the TV was able to do 1:1 pixel mapping with auto geometry turned off and format set to "standard".

Mike T.
illuvial's Avatar illuvial 11:05 AM 07-29-2009
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Should be fine, I used my WD media player to find out that I had some computer setting problems that were the cause of not getting 1:1 to work from the computer and the WD did show the TV was able to do 1:1 pixel mapping with auto geometry turned off and format set to "standard".

Mike T.

So when a 1:1 condition is set, is it used for all inputs or is this something reserved for a PC connection/file? How could you verify it on other inputs?
Hipnotiq's Avatar Hipnotiq 11:05 AM 07-29-2009
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Good question. Just going 10" larger is not really a "considerable" difference. It is a difference, though and my room is large enough to handle that size.

that was sarcasm right? sarcasm doesnt show well on the interwebs.
the difference in screen area between a 72" and an 82" is 658 inches square.
joikd's Avatar joikd 11:30 AM 07-29-2009
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Now, I did notice that there are some geometry problems after doing this. The 4:3 lines and the 16:9 lines were bowed. I went back into manual geometry and selected Page Down to get to the 4:3 adjustment. After a few clicks on FF I found one that was straight. Then I clicked Page Down once more to get to the 16:9 adjustment and did the same.

After exiting the SM the moiré patterns were still gone.

This has me very interested! After achieving 1:1, you were able to make some geometry adjustments, but still completely maintain 1:1?!?!

1:1 is priority to me, but I would love to get rid of the slight bowing like you did if I won't lose 1:1. I'll try this later today when I get home.
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