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post #451 of 8822 Old 08-13-2010, 04:38 AM
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This thread=I am disappoint.

First i was like "hey the thread is up now" and then after 16 pages and no pics of these puppies

All the show offs out there, i would love to see some pics!

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I can't answer your question about 720P 3D. Although a black bar on a 65" would still give more useable screen real estate than on a 60". I can say that getting hung up on resolution unless you are talking about 2D computer display usage, overstates the case for pixel count as pereived resoltuion. If I showed you an image that was 720P and it looked sharper in every way to your eye than a image that was 1080P which image would you prefer? Hypothetical question, yes. But there is a point to the discussion.

You have to have an ideal viewing distance to see all the resolution that 1080P affords, but constrast is generally a much more important component in image quality than the difference in resolution between 720P amd 1080P. What is your viewing distance?

Advanced picture capability is the abiity to calibrate your set...... if the 638 doesn't have that it is crippled in my view. I also don't think you have shopped around enough to find the best pricing on the 65737.

I believe the 65c9 had advanced picture and would even be less if you can find it.

Currently, my viewing distance is about 3-4 feet, and I can see each and every pixel on my 37" 1080p LCD. When I upgrade, my distance will change to probably 6-7 feet, maybe more, depending on how I arrange my room.

It is physically impossible to show me a 720p image that is sharper than 1080p, unless:

-the 720p image is much smaller than the 1080p image, resulting in a higher pixel density
-the 1080p image is upscaled from a lower resolution
-the 1080p image simply isn't in focus enough to use the full 1080p of pixels.

Sure, you can get images with more contrast, and more brilliant colors and all that, but sharpness is decided only by the number of pixels. I'm not too concerned about the resolution of 3d, since 3d really wasn't my main focus, but if the 738 with the upgrade won't get full 1080p 3d anyway, then to me it's not worth the upgrade price.

I realize the advanced picture capability helps a lot with calibration, but the set I have right now only has the brightness/contrast/tint/color set up so it's not like I would be losing a feature. Sure it'd be nice to have, but not worth the extra wait imo.

I'll look some more into the pricing of the sets you listed. The problem is those sets probably aren't available in my local store, which means I'll have to pay shipping, which can get expensive on TVs. Also, my local store usually has prices that beat the internet, as well as salesmen who will give you additional deals (the last TV I bought from them they gave me like 10% off the already low price they listed)
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Just pulled the trigger on a 60738. Got a great deal and the place I bought from threw in the 3DC-1000 Starter Kit for $99. Can't wait until it arrives!!

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This thread=I am disappoint.

First i was like "hey the thread is up now" and then after 16 pages and no pics of these puppies

All the show offs out there, i would love to see some pics!


It's because we are enjoying these TVs too much. I'll take some pictures of mine tonight and I'll see if I can figure out how to post them up here.
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Thanks gt...

I still do not see any ad for them in classified.

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This thread=I am disappoint.

First i was like "hey the thread is up now" and then after 16 pages and no pics of these puppies

All the show offs out there, i would love to see some pics!

Nothing spectacular, couldn't find a stand that would match the wall unit or wide enough.. This is the WD-65738..
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Well this changes the decision making value/price equation....

60738

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/p...?id=MITWD60738

65738

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/p...?id=MITWD65738

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Nothing spectacular, couldn't find a stand that would match the wall unit or wide enough.. This is the WD-65738..

Nice legs.
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Well this changes the decision making value/price equation....

60738

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/p...?id=MITWD60738

65738

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/p...?id=MITWD65738

Wow. Guess I should have waited another month to get my TV from Ultimate. Prices have come down quite a bit.
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Well as of yesterday the price was the listed price. So the prices fell starting this morning.

I'll be calling them at 10.

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Well as of yesterday the price was the listed price. So the prices fell starting this morning.

I'll be calling them at 10.

With Ultimate, you can haggle a bit, too.
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Well this changes the decision making value/price equation....

65738

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/p...?id=MITWD65738

I'm in California, and it appears as though the nearest store is in Arizona. Can they ship it to LA? That's an amazing price and if their relative price advantage continues through this holiday season (when I'm planning on getting a 65738), I might even consider driving out there with a UHaul!
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http://www.us-appliance.com/wd60738.html

I got the 60738 + 3D Starter kit for under $1,200 (no tax / free ship) this morning

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"That's an amazing price"

Also what I would call a "makes one wonder" price.

As far as where they can or cannot ship you'd have to ask them.

As it is the stores in AZ do not have any in stock and would ship to the store from their warehouse in Colorado.

With the 200 extended warranty as noted above that brings the total cost of the 60 inch to about 1200. That's a good deal.

Not sure I'd do a Mit RPTV without an extended warranty.

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Currently, my viewing distance is about 3-4 feet, and I can see each and every pixel on my 37" 1080p LCD. When I upgrade, my distance will change to probably 6-7 feet, maybe more, depending on how I arrange my room.

It is physically impossible to show me a 720p image that is sharper than 1080p, unless:

-the 720p image is much smaller than the 1080p image, resulting in a higher pixel density
-the 1080p image is upscaled from a lower resolution
-the 1080p image simply isn't in focus enough to use the full 1080p of pixels.

Sure, you can get images with more contrast, and more brilliant colors and all that, but sharpness is decided only by the number of pixels. I'm not too concerned about the resolution of 3d, since 3d really wasn't my main focus, but if the 738 with the upgrade won't get full 1080p 3d anyway, then to me it's not worth the upgrade price.

I realize the advanced picture capability helps a lot with calibration, but the set I have right now only has the brightness/contrast/tint/color set up so it's not like I would be losing a feature. Sure it'd be nice to have, but not worth the extra wait imo.

I'll look some more into the pricing of the sets you listed. The problem is those sets probably aren't available in my local store, which means I'll have to pay shipping, which can get expensive on TVs. Also, my local store usually has prices that beat the internet, as well as salesmen who will give you additional deals (the last TV I bought from them they gave me like 10% off the already low price they listed)


The difference between a properly calibrated dispaly and a poorly calibrated one is night and day.There is pixel count and pixel density. Based on your perspective we should get our nose against a 20" screen with 8 million pixels. I see no point in trying to offer you any more input. If you can't understand there is a whole world of image quality beyond pixels count we will just agree to disagree. Good luck with your search.

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Just pulled the trigger on a 60738. Got a great deal and the place I bought from threw in the 3DC-1000 Starter Kit for $99. Can't wait until it arrives!!

The 3D starter kit for $99 with a DLP purchase is a Mitsubishi sponsored promotion. Begining this weekend. Lots of dealers should be offering it.

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Thanks gt...

I still do not see any ad for them in classified.

They had been advertising in the classified as recently as a few days ago. It is not always there.

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As of a couple of days ago the 73-838 can be purchased for slightly less than $2000.
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If anyone here is buying a new tv and can get the 3D starter kit for $99 and don't want or need it please pm me.
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The difference between a properly calibrated dispaly and a poorly calibrated one is night and day.There is pixel count and pixel density. Based on your perspective we should get our nose against a 20" screen with 8 million pixels. I see no point in trying to offer you any more input. If you can't understand there is a whole world of image quality beyond pixels count we will just agree to disagree. Good luck with your search.

No no no you misunderstood me. I understand there are multiple different things that can change the image quality, I was just specifically talking about the resolution of that quality. Obviously, assuming the same image, video settings, screen size, tv, etc, a higher resolution image will be higher quality than a lower resolution image. For example a Blu-ray shown on duplicate sets, both properly calibrated, and both viewed in the same conditions, one tv showing the Blu-ray at 1080p, and one TV downscaling the Blu-ray to 720p. Obviously the 1080p version will look better.

Although, you also seemed to miss the part where I said 3d resolution wasn't all that important to me, but if the higher end models couldn't produce any better resolution than the lower end model, I didn't think it would be worth the extra money.

I realize the difference a properly calibrated TV can be compared to an uncalibrated TV. However, for most people, simple tools like THX Optimizer or DVE result in a good enough calibration, and only make use of the brightness/contrast/tint/color/sharpness settings. I realize the advanced options can improve on that slightly, but to me the slight improvement wouldn't be worth the extra ~$400 for the 738.

Also, I looked up a few of the sets mentioned to me before: (including shipping)
60638 (The one I've been looking at): ~$800
60738: ~$1200
60737:~$1000
60c9: ~$1100

As far as I can see, the 638 is still the cheapest. If anyone can find better prices than these let me know; I'm always looking for the best price.

Also, if people could explain to me the differences between the c9, 737, and 738 models, and also how they compare with the 638 model I'd appreciate it.

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The 3D starter kit for $99 with a DLP purchase is a Mitsubishi sponsored promotion. Begining this weekend. Lots of dealers should be offering it.

Do you know how long the promotion is supposed to last? As mentioned before, I am planning to buy one of these TVs some time within the next few months, but I can't afford one right now.
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"638 model"

638 is strictly entry level. No advanced pix adjustments, etc. Seems to be the 638 niche is like a bar or a common dorm area where you want a basic TV but don't want it to have stuff that can be messed with.

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Just ordered the 65738. With the money I had from my Samsung TV warranty buy-out my out-of-pocket expense is about 65 bucks.

Now to do some research on extended warranties.....

EDIT: Math was not done correctly. Out of pocket was under 40 bucks.

Will be picking it up next Friday.

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Has anyone tried out the ViewSonic PGD-150 3d glasses yet?
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"638 model"

638 is strictly entry level. No advanced pix adjustments, etc. Seems to be the 638 niche is like a bar or a common dorm area where you want a basic TV but don't want it to have stuff that can be messed with.

It has the standard brightness/contrast/color/tint/sharpness controls right? That accounts for what, 80% of picture calibration? The remaining 20% might be nice, but I personally don't find it worth the extra $400 I'd have to spend to upgrade. Now, if prices go down by the time I have my $800 (which is certainly possible, might even find a black Friday deal) then I'd be fine buying the 738. However, for now, I haven't really seen anything that warrants me spending that much more money for the higher models. Feel free to convince me otherwise.
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You can compare 638/738/838's here easily.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/theater.html

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You can compare 638/738/838's here easily.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/theater.html

I spent some time whith Jaserman's set 82738. Nice and bright but the lamp is very new so it is hard to compare exactly. His set makes more light in standard lamp mode than mine does in bright lamp mode. Again I am not too sure what that means. I set the contrast using Spears and Munsil up to just where it would not clip. It seems like it is somewhat brighter overall. With the same contrast setting in bright it was about 20 brighter again as you wold expect. Unforutnately I did not check for clipping when I was in bright lamp mode. In his room the energy saving mode is bright enough..

I can specualte but that is all. I don't think I ever measured my set in the first 100 hours. So measuring his set it is not reallly an apples to apples compare. I would expect his set to dim a good bit as the lamp breaks in.

His set like all 73X series does not have the dark detailer (iris). We don't really know if iris equipped sets are slightly dimmer. Much thanks to Aserman for putting up with me and the Chroma5 for an hour or so this afternoon. His theater room is a lovely space for an 82" DLP.

It seems the 738 has lost Perfect Color as a feature in the 2010 incarnation. This has been on the 73X for some time, I am not sure why they removed it. It is possible I fumbled the imput of the numbers but his set did not want to go into the Service Menu using Menu> 2,4,5,7. If someone figures out how to get Service Menu access on the new models please post that info in the thread.

Subjectively it seems they may have changed the screen a bit. It seemed to provide a slightly better experience when viewed off axis vertically and perhaps slightly less silkscreening.

The user menus are quite different though the style and navigation approach seems the same.

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You can compare 638/738/838's here easily.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/theater.html

It's not the greatest comparison page. It'd be nice if they had a grid where it had check boxes for each feature, allowing you to see which tv's have which features and which don't. They just give you a quick summary of some of the features. It's okay when comparing models within the same generation (638/738/838) but if I want to compare them to the previous generations, the comparisons simply aren't very helpful.

That being said, can someone explain these features:

-Plush 1080p, and the difference between "Plush 1080p" and "Plush 1080p 5G 12-bit video processor"
-DeepField Imager

The other features on the 738 don't seem too impressive when comparing the price differences. I am okay without the advanced calibration, I sure don't want edge enhancement or smooth120, and I don't care about internet capabilities.

And can somebody give me an explanation of the differences between the last generation (737/837) and this generation (738/838) other than the firmware update that allows native frame packed 3dtv.
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I have already talked Mitsubishi about the FULL version of the manual which they said does contain how to get into the service menu. It will get uploaded to there site soon but have no specific time frame. They said one was being sent out to me. It's been a few days and have not recieved one yet though.
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If anyone here is buying a new tv and can get the 3D starter kit for $99 and don't want or need it please pm me.

Just about any retailer is giving the 3D starter kit away for $99. There's rumors saying you can get the kit for free. The kit is suppose to be $399 but I already know Frys is selling them for $239 but it goes down to $99 when you buy the tv.

The glasses that are come in the 3D starter kit are the same that Samsung currently sell for $149 in most stores. They just don't say Samsung on them and simply come in a white box but the box is the same shape as Samsung boxes.
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I have already talked Mitsubishi about the FULL version of the manual which they said does contain how to get into the service menu. It will get uploaded to there site soon but have no specific time frame. They said one was being sent out to me. It's been a few days and have not recieved one yet though.

Let us know if you actually get one sent to you. I spoke to the morons yesterday and could not get any kind of straight answer... about anything. They just keep rephrasing my questions and end up saying "we have no information about that yet". "the manual is still in production". "I don't know about an upgrade". "your tv is already 3d ready, you don't need an upgrade". When I pointed out the page where it says they will be coming out with a software upgrade, there was complete silence and then she said, "I'll have someone call you in 1 to 2 business days". Like I haven't heard that one before.
It just irritates me so bad that they could make a TV for which they don't have a users manual, say they will have a software upgrade that no one knows about, and act like I'M THE IDIOT !
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