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By the looks of the set in the Youtube videos from CES it certainly appears the 92" is much brighter than the current 82". Of course they had all the settings set in "torch" mode to impress the onlookers but there is no doubt they had to employ a brighter bulb to get the 92" to look like that, especially in the off axis views.

There's no way the 92 would look that bright using the bulb from the current 82" model, even if they are using some kind of different screen that "boosts" contrast and/or brightness.
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By the looks of the set in the Youtube videos from CES it certainly appears the 92" is much brighter than the current 82". Of course they had all the settings set in "torch" mode to impress the onlookers but there is no doubt they had to employ a brighter bulb to get the 92" to look like that, especially in the off axis views.

There's no way the 92 would look that bright using the bulb from the current 82" model, even if they are using some kind of different screen that "boosts" contrast and/or brightness.

As one who has long argued for a brighter bulb in the 82, I certainly hope you're right. Undoubtedly everything they do, including going to a different screen, has an additive effect.
We're just not going to know anything definitive until Mitsubishi gives more info, or until some CES participant digs out that information.
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Can somebody please estimate the minimum viewing distance for 1080p material? Trying to see if I could make this work....

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Is it possible that it uses two DLP chips and two light bulbs, with both converged to make one bright image (like stacking two fp?).
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Is it possible that it uses two DLP chips and two light bulbs, with both converged to make one bright image (like stacking two fp?).

There was some speculative talk on one of the other Mits threads that Mitsubishi might offer a new generation Texas Instruments DMD on this year's models that would do full 1080P without wobbulation, this based on a rep's offhand remark.

But I think if that were so it would of leaked out by now, as a new DarkChip(5) is a big thing, and TI and Mits would both enjoy positive PR from that. But we can always hope!

As far as using two DarkChips, that's an interesting thought, but I'd imagine that might be challenging to implement on these sets.
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I remember reading awhile back that there would be no DC5 from a pretty reliable source. That DC4 when it was introduced would be the last version. Just throwing that out there. Not that any of it matters since we're all just speculating and throwing out rumors till we hear something official.

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Now that plasma and local LED are getting so good...... have the newer (2010) mits approached those black levels after being calibrated????
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I remember reading awhile back that there would be no DC5 from a pretty reliable source. That DC4 when it was introduced would be the last version. Just throwing that out there. Not that any of it matters since we're all just speculating and throwing out rumors till we hear something official.

Yup. We're a bunch of wild-eyed speculators hoping for the perfect display.
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Texas instruments already makes a dmd with full 1920x1080 resolution. Its used in several 3-dmd front projection units. Its still based on the dc4 design.

Also, all the press releases for the 91" dlp advertise 120hz subframe rate, which indicates that these are still 60hz sets, using wobulation to create 1080p.

I think mitsubishi is largely just resting on the fact that they're the largest and cheapest. There hasn't been a single improvement made to the projection unit itself since I bought my 65" 65731 back in 2006.
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Texas instruments already makes a dmd with full 1920x1080 resolution. Its used in several 3-dmd front projection units. Its still based on the dc4 design.

Also, all the press releases for the 91" dlp advertise 120hz subframe rate, which indicates that these are still 60hz sets, using wobulation to create 1080p.

I think you're probably right about wobbulation, based on the 120 hz.

I think you're also right in your assessment of Mits' laissez faire approach to improving the RPTV design, but we can still hope for some incremental improvements.

Thanks for the clarification on the DarkChip.
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What will be the smallest rear projection DLP set that Mitsubishi will produce in 2011?
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Will this set be able to handle 24p too?

My old Samsung HLS-5679W LED DLP HDTV doesn't. So no DirecTV Cinema 1080/24p rentals.
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Will this set be able to handle 24p too?

Even my old 731 was able to accept a 24p signal, so i'm certain this one will do the same.

Whether it can display it as a multiple of 24 frames remains to be seen. The use of wobulation (and 120 subframes) means there's no 120hz support, but it doesn't rule out the inclusion of a 48hz mode, like the front projectors and plasma sets use.

No way to know for sure until the sets come out, unfortunately. And if a 2:2 pulldown mode is included, it would be the first time in a mistubishi RPTV.......

And if i sound like i'm harping on mitsubishi here, lately, it's only for my love of dlp, and my sincere hope that mitsubishi will step up the innovaiton of these sets so i can confidently upgrade my set to one with a 24p mode, and 3d. I find their near nonexistence at CES very frustrating, to say the least.
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Here's some more videos, not in English.

The picture looks really fine in the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdtoeGRugRI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6wss...eature=related
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The presentaion of the WD-92840 is pretty well staged.

There is a fair amount of black shrouding aroud the display and even the ceiling of the display area is black.

That suggests to me that reflections could be a problem in many real rooms. Judging this thing without seeing it in the wild is probably not going to give one a realistic idea of its true performance.

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True, true, quite true. I think we all have a wait and see attitude, amplified by the lack of hard data, and the usual dearth of Mits DLP reviews.

Light control notwistanding, I must say the picture in that first video looks pretty great. And maybe you'd need to control your lighting at home to maximize the picture. Still easier than a front projector setup.

Last year the same Mits product development chap did a little show and tell with the 2010 82 inch, in very subdued lighting, and the 92 in comparison has much more punch. I'm guardedly optimistic. (Maybe not so guarded!)

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Should we read anything into the xxx40 model number... like what happenned to the xxx39's, or is this 92" thing still 18 months from the market?
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Here's some more videos, not in English.

The picture looks really fine in the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdtoeGRugRI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6wss...eature=related

The picture looks awesome in both those videos, but it is definitely much more reflective than the current 82" screen.
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Should we read anything into the xxx40 model number... like what happenned to the xxx39's, or is this 92" thing still 18 months from the market?

From 1 of these videos I saw, the Mits rep stated this was a 2011 set. The Mits RPTV's usually start surfacing around April-May or so of the year.

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From 1 of these videos I saw, the Mits rep stated this was a 2011 set. The Mits RPTV's usually start surfacing around April-May or so of the year.

Yeah. I heard summer of 2011.

I'm curious how anyone could see reflections in the video. It does have a glossy screen, but it's not clear how much reflection there is, at least on YouTube.
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From 1 of these videos I saw, the Mits rep stated this was a 2011 set. The Mits RPTV's usually start surfacing around April-May or so of the year.

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Yeah. I heard summer of 2011.

So does the xxx40 perhaps imply that there is some bigger advance in the core technology beyond an evolutionary step from one years model to the next, or am I just reading too much into the apparently missing xxx39 model numbers?
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So does the xxx40 perhaps imply that there is some bigger advance in the core technology beyond an evolutionary step from one years model to the next, or am I just reading too much into the apparently missing xxx39 model numbers?

That's a good question I think. What's with the skipping of the numbers like that? If there is a 2011 C series, will that be C12 instead of C11?

Instead of 639, 739, and 839, will there be 640, 740, and 840 instead?

Does kind of make you wonder if this is implying some sort of advanced progression of the TV's. Brilliant marketing on Mits's part.

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That's a good question I think. What's with the skipping of the numbers like that? If there is a 2011 C series, will that be C12 instead of C11?

Instead of 639, 739, and 839, will there be 640, 740, and 840 instead?

Does kind of make you wonder if this is implying some sort of advanced progression of the TV's. Brilliant marketing on Mits's part.

Here's hoping you're right. I hope it's not like the renumbering of video cards by some manufacturers, where the number progression is little correlated with any real advance.

Anyway, in that Spanish language YouTube the display looked really good, as if Mits thought long and hard about the future.

92 inches!
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Here's hoping you're right. I hope it's not like the renumbering of video cards by some manufacturers, where the number progression is little correlated with any real advance.

Anyway, in that Spanish language YouTube the display looked really good, as if Mits thought long and hard about the future.

92 inches!

Yea that annoys the hell out of me with video cards. It can make it extremely tough to figure out which card to buy whenever you want to upgrade.

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There have been multiple generations in a single year. My television, for instance is a 731, and it's only 5 years old. There may very well be 39 and 40 models in the same year, perhaps indicating the new screen cover or a new bulb technology.
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I love my Samsung 50" DLP and was planning on going plasma with my next set...but wow a 92" DLP for $5000 is a really great bang-for-your-buck...I don't understand their 3D though...I know they use some sort of checkerboard system but what do people mean when they say it uses half resolution 3D?...is it a subpar version of 3D compared to LCD/plasma?
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I think it relates to the fact that the DMD(Digital Micromirror Device) in the RPTV MITSUBISHIs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_micromirror_device, is only 960 x 1080, which is half the resolution needed for full HDTVs.
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I'm curious how anyone could see reflections in the video. It does have a glossy screen, but it's not clear how much reflection there is, at least on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5enTW...1&feature=fvwp

This was one of the linked videos to the others that were posted in this thread. This one clearly shows lots of reflection especially during the darker transition scenes of the trailers being played on the tv during the clip.
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I'm curious how anyone could see reflections in the video. It does have a glossy screen, but it's not clear how much reflection there is, at least on YouTube.
The reflection is going to be just like my old 65" CRT it's gonna suck. The other major factor is how low the set has to be, I imagine it's going to be 12" or less.
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