Originally Posted by Wesley Hester
24p may be part of it. I think mine looks great now with the firmware update fix and while using the Mitsubishi-branded Xpand X103's. Fast motion and 24p can still have big 'gaps' with or without the glasses.
I did try toggling the 24p setting on my PS3, but it did not seem to help. Since the source material is 24 FPS, I didn’t really expect it to help. On the other hand 24 goes evenly into 120Hz, and with 3D, we are reduced to 60Hz per eye, and 24 does not divide evenly there, so maybe I should give it another go with 24p off.
As for the 3Active and TrueDepth 3D glasses made expressly for the 740/840 series Mitsubishi HDTV's, I have others issues with noticeable color shift at different angles (turning of head left/right, up/down - more so than other glasses of which all have some degree because of how they are made). Also, there is a weird effect the 3Active/TrueDepth 3D glasses produce with certain fine color gradient shades.Read my findings here in this thread.
Despite those quirks, fast motion appears pretty good to me now with fast motion in 3D.
I read that entire thread. Very enlightening. I have not noticed any color shifts, but I only have the 3ACTIVE glasses, therefore I cannot do any A/B testing. But if I saw anything as dramatic as your screen shots, I would have noticed. I have not watched any full-length computer animated movies yet, but I have a couple so I’ll see if I have that issue.
Originally Posted by GEP
I too see a little 3/2 judder in motion (a studdering effect) but not a flicker (bright/dark effect). As for the menu quality - yes it is lower when receiving a 3D signal - this is normal. I think it may have to do with needed to create two 1/2 resolution menu to mix together when showing 3D. The main TV 2D menus might have been out of sync with the 3D processing.
It is starting to worry me that my problem may be some bad hardware (or combination). But how to determine the cause is troubling. I guess I can eliminate my receiver by bypassing it, but otherwise I have no way to determine if it’s the PS3, TV, or glasses. I am pretty sensitive to judder, in fact I wish the standard for movies was much higher than 24 FPS because even with 24p mode pans have never looked as smooth as I would like. But the litmus test is my family. I have specifically tried to make my wife aware of the limitations of 24 FPS by demonstrating it with a scene having a horizontal pan with lots of vertical lines (like buildings) and it took her a lot of effort to notice. But with this “flickering” problem she pointed it out to me. I also asked my oldest daughter if she notice the action flickering and she said yes.
So I can say with some degree of confidence that what I am seeing is not normal judder or simply the limitations of 24 FPS. It is most noticeable with something like an open flame, which there are lots of in Thor and Immortals (two of the movies I have watched). But it really only bugs me when I’m trying to follow a fast action sequence and the actors are shimmering so bad it is hard to see their movements clearly. Watching the same scene in 2D is still affected by the low frame rate of film, but not nearly as bad.
The best way to describe what I am seeing is: We have an LED clock that looks really weird when the 3D glasses are active. It is almost like that effect but just on the objects in the picture that are moving. The faster the movement, the worse it gets.