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post #181 of 2633 Old 06-29-2003, 08:25 AM
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I think Tivo does compress. Does anyone out there have acutal experience with PQ of Tivo recorded material on the Sammy HLN?

As an owner of a SA Tivo with dreams of the toys to come, I can say that DirecTivo units do not compress/convert the native digital signal. The SA units have to convert the analog signal and then compress according to user settings. I have no experience with digital cable with an SA unit but I have my suspicions that those signals are treated as if analog.
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Thanks!

If anyone buys the HLN617W at Great Indoors, they take the $500 off of the $4999 before adding tax , so with $49 delivery it's $4589 + tax
delivered.

I expect like anything new we will see the prices plummet in the months to come.. Oh well, the price of the edge..




PS I dont work at Great Inddoors, just thought others may want to take advantage of the offer.....
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From CNET review of Bravo D1:

"We connected the D1 to our DLP-based, fixed-pixel Samsung HLN617W via DVI, and the player produced some of the best pictures we've ever seen from a DVD source. When we set the output to 720p, the pristine digital images from Star Wars: Attack of the Clones looked downright spectacular. "

See the "Performance" section in this review:

http://reviews.cnet.com/V_Inc_Bravo1...?tag=cnetfd.sd

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Hello All,

Can you please provide exact dimensions of the HLN617W. I'm looking for the Screen dimensions as well as the dimension from the bottom of the unit to the bottom of the bezel.

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Question on HLN617... the new brochure points out discrete/non-discrete TVs and states the HLN617 is *not*.

I plan to purchase a new set in Sept/Oct time frame, but need to decide which one now (wall unit guy is building and needs measurements)...

IS or IS NOT the HLN617 going to have discrete?

Thanks in advance...

ps. Arun, you are the freakin MAN... THANK YOU for helping Samsung out with their impotent Marketing Department.
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Hello All,

Can you please provide exact dimensions of the HLN617W. I'm looking for the Screen dimensions as well as the dimension from the bottom of the unit to the bottom of the bezel.

Dave


OK here you go (because I obviously have too much free time on my hands; )...

OVERALL DIMENSIONS:

W = 56_1/2"
H = 40_1/8"
D = 19_1/2"

BREAKDOWN DIMENSIONS:

From bottom of base to bottom edge of lower Bezel (including speaker) = 7" high

Speaker cabinet = 6" high

Base footprint = 1" high x 37_3/4" wide

From bottom edge of lower Bezel (just above speaker) to top edge of upper Bezel = 33_1/8"

Left and Right side Bezel frame (each) = 1_5/8" wide

Bottom Bezel frame = 1_3/4" wide

Top Bezel frame = 1_1/2" wide

Screen Dimensions within the Bezel frame = 29_7/8"H x 53_1/4"W

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I went to the local SoundTrack today to take a look at the larger DLP sets.
The Samsung HLN617W was great looking and was comparable to more expensive competitive sets. I did not detect any hints of "rainbows" on any of the sets, the DLP pictures were bright and color accurate. I found the expansion of 4:3 images to a widescreen format to be acceptable on the Samsung models. I also measured the base depth of the model was 17.5 inches, but the overall depth including the "back" of the set was more like 22". Depth of the set is something I am considering in my current purchase mode. In chatting with the salesperson, he told me that they were not going to be able to sell these 61" units for a "couple of months"! Stuck at the border or some such thing.... I was disappointed but am inquiring from a couple of my normal sources.

While not on the same subject, and I apologize, I also took a look at a number of 50" plasma screens. Yeah, they are more expensive, but they all were very bright and easy to look at from every angle ! One thing that I noticed, and I know it has been discussed here is that the Panasonics and Sharp models definitely BUZZED. In Denver, we are at 5200-5400 feet so this has been a concern. The Pioneer, Sony, and Samsung models did not have any detectable buzzing associated with their operation. The salesperson was knowledgable and indicated that this was a concern, and that some sets buzzed at this altitude, others did not.... they were trying to have manufacturers produce sets which would be altitude friendly.

I still think I am going to buy a Samsung....

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The depth of the HLN617 should be 19.4" based on the spec sheet.
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Russ,

Thanks for all you free time
This helps out alot.

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[quote]Originally posted by dleithaus
I found the expansion of 4:3 images to a widescreen format to be acceptable on the Samsung models.

With DLP there is no burn in possible, so there is no need to distort a 4:3 image, just window box it.

While not on the same subject, and I apologize, I also took a look at a number of 50" plasma screens. Yeah, they are more expensive, but they all were very bright and easy to look at from every angle ! One thing that I noticed, and I know it has been discussed here is that the Panasonics and Sharp models definitely BUZZED. In Denver, we are at 5200-5400 feet so this has been a concern. The Pioneer, Sony, and Samsung models did not have any detectable buzzing associated with their operation. The salesperson was knowledgable and indicated that this was a concern, and that some sets buzzed at this altitude, others did not.... they were trying to have manufacturers produce sets which would be altitude friendly.

This is only an issue with plasmas... dlp, lcd, lcos, etc. don't buzz

I still think I am going to buy a Samsung....

They make models in half a dozen different technologies, which one? The HLN617W?

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RS,

I purchase a big widescreen TV. I want the screen filled!
I do not see any distortion on many sources, but do see it at times. Sometimes I do go to a standard 4:3 format, but more often, I like the expansion modes.

Yeah, I was interested in the HLN617W--but SoundTrack told me there were major delays in obtaining this model. I have some inquiries out to my normal sources.

(my comments about plasma were only a sideline--that discussion belongs somewhere else.... DLP's do not buzz!)

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There was a backorder on the HLN617s for a while, probably while they slipped the new firmware into the production line, but it seems like a boatload have come in recently. My retailer here in NJ got 60 of them last week, of which they said only 42 or so were spoken for.

FWIW - I like the stretch on the HLN for TV and video games so far, but I'll still will watch DVD's in the native ratio.

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I think I decided to go with HLN617W after a difficult struggle between Pio 50" 503 plasma and this set. I would appreciate suggestions where could I buy this set with immediate delivery, obviously except in the local stores. Thanks for your help in advance.

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I just had my HLM617W replaced with HLN617W (N vs. M). A couple of small differences for your guide (I can't seem to download it today, so I apologize if these were already in there):

1. The Green Power LED has been removed - no lights are visible while the TV is on (yeah!). What used to be the Power LED was replaced by one that flashes during IR receiving - which was in the middle position on the M.

2. As soon as you turn the set on, you can hear the audio, while you wait the 20-30 seconds for the lamp to start up. The M didn't do this - it was silent until the picture appeared - also a good improvement.

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Thanks Jeff. I shall update the guide. I shall also check the download problem.

I agree - great improvements on the set. Overall, Samsung seems very responsive to customers and feedback.

Did you replace the set, or did you go for the upgrade? If you replaced the set, how did you manage to do that?

If you notice other changes, please post them here.

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Switching between multiple DVI devices is becoming quite a hassle. So I am devising just an easier way of switching DVI cables (while we all wait for a DVI switch that works and is reasonably priced.)

Connect a 2 meter DVI extender cable (DVI-D, male to female, single link) to the back of the TV. Attach its free female connector to an easily accessible location on the side of the cabinet. For each input source, say a Bravo D1 DVD player, connect a DVI cable (DVI-D, male to male, single link) and attach its free male connector to the same side of the cabinet so that it can be easily connected and disconnected. Label each connector. Switch cables as neeeded.

I have ordered the cables. I shall post as to how this works.

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Arun - would you also give us a sense of what these cables would cost? I'm sure it's far less than the current switchers but how much?
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arungupta,

I like you guide to the Samsung DLPs.

I do have a question for you, I have a HLN507W and would like to get a good D-VHS player and take advantage of the High Definition picture quality.

Do you know of a good D-VHS player to use with the DLPs?

Please inform,

Thank You,

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Do you know of a good D-VHS player to use with the DLPs?

Jeffraz, I didn't go for D-VHS because I thought that it was too much of a stopgap technology, and I couldn't deal with tape again.

JVC HM-DH30000U seems to be most commonly adapted player in this forum, but it seems to have had problems.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=247334
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=233041
http://www.buydig.com/shop.php?prod_...0U&adv=bizrate

A new generation JVC HM-DH40000 (or 400U?) has been announced:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=272290
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=275941

Alas, no DVI output in any of these players.

Pre-recorded D-VHS tapes (D-Theater):

http://www.dvhsmovieguide.com/dvhsevents/default.lasso
http://www.uln.com/cgi-bin/vlink/dvhs_index.html
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=277846

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Arun - would you also give us a sense of what these cables would cost? I'm sure it's far less than the current switchers but how much?

The 2 meter cable connecting to the TV is $24. The 3 meter cable connecting to each input is $18. For three input devices, it comes to $80.

www.pacificcable.com/DVI.htm

You would need most of these cables even when you get the switch, unless the switch came pre-packaged with these cables. The Belkin switch to be released this month(?) that I am hopeful about doesn't come with any cables.

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arungupta,

I like you guide to the Samsung DLPs.

I do have a question for you, I have a HLN507W and would like to get a good D-VHS player and take advantage of the High Definition picture quality.

Do you know of a good D-VHS player to use with the DLPs?

Please inform,

Thank You,

Jeff

Jeff, if you don't plan to get D-Theater tapes, you can also check out the Mitsubishi HS-HD2000U. I have this deck for over six months now, and it has worked fine for me. the JVC 30000 deck seems to have many problems as Arun mentioned.
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arungupta,

Thank you for the response, I will check out those treads.

I guess I am getting anxious to see what my DLP is capable of... I have Comcast cable and have no high def channels. Denver is still trying to get the over the air high def channels and currently I get no signal. Maybe I should just be patient and play the waiting game.

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pspun,

Not sure if I need the "D-Theater tapes" or not. I know that if I got a D-VHS I would like to get a high definition picture quality, would the Mits do this? Also as the DLP has no Firewire is the connection made through component?

I have never seen the picture quality of the D-VHS but from the reviews I read it is the best that you can get these days until HD-DVDs hit the market.


Thanks,

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Arun,

"kmil" has pointed out that the new "all models" Samsung brochure has some measurements that are different than what is in the guide. I checked the brochure against the guide for the HLN467 and HLN567 and found several small differences. The biggest one is the width of the HLN467.

HLN467: 40.6" x 16.1" x 30.0" WxDxH
HLN567: 49.9" x 18.2" x 36.3" WxDxH

I think all of them except the HLN467 width are only off .1".
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Thanks Les. I am upgrading the guide tomorrow -- will update the size information.

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pspun,

Not sure if I need the "D-Theater tapes" or not. I know that if I got a D-VHS I would like to get a high definition picture quality, would the Mits do this? Also as the DLP has no Firewire is the connection made through component?

I have never seen the picture quality of the D-VHS but from the reviews I read it is the best that you can get these days until HD-DVDs hit the market.


Thanks,

Jeff

You will need to have a STB (to receive HD) with Firewire output into the D-VHS recorder in order to record HD broadcasts. You will not be able to record HD using the component input into the D-VHS recorder.
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A friend pointed me to this forum after I had already ordered an HLN617W. I'm still waiting for that (maybe 7/14?), but I have to thank you for your guide, and to all of the forum members who make this an informative and interesting read.
Question: Can someone define "discrete codes"? I see that the 617W does not come with them, but they can be obtained through the upgrade program. I looked through some other threads, but didn't find a good (simple) explanation. Since I'm not sure what they are, I may not be the right person to use them, but having the information won't hurt.
Also, I have the same issue that was referenced in some previous posts about putting a center channel on a stand. I've been looking at (but have not purchased, yet) some of the Sanus stands (nf203 and nf204), which have 8 - 8.5" between shelves. Go to www.sanus.com. They're not as inexpensive as some of the others posted here, but they may have more color/style options.
Finally, SoundTrack (Ultimate) is currently having a 10% off sale, which does include DLP's. My final price is very close to that mentioned above from Great Indoors, after the credit card rebate. I think the leftover will go for the Sammy HD931.
Thanks again.
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The "upgrade" for older DLP sets offered by Samsung is supposed to have the following:

1) Discrete Codes for on/off functions
2) Discrete Codes for video input select functions
3) Last setting memory for Aspect Ration and Picture adjustments for each input

It is expected that Samsung made these same changes across all models but I don't think anyone knows for sure. When the HLN467 and HLN567 sets are available (soon we hope) they should include these changes. If you are in the process of buying another Samsung model it might be a good idea to get one with these changes already included.

The commands are discrete in the sense that there is a command for "ON" and a different command of "OFF". The remote for the current sets has one button/command that toggles back and forth between on and off.

The same is true for the input selection function. You must cycle through a list of all "connected" input devices until you get to the one you want. With discrete commands you can go directly to the desired input device with one command or button.

A programmable universal remote can be set up to control a HT system if each function has it's own discrete command. Otherwise, it's very hard to prevent a universal remote from losing it's way and issuing the wrong commands.
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Quick question (Yes I tried searching....) What is the resolution you are getting if you hook up the SIRTS160 with VGA cables to the HLN437W? I figured the max res is 1024*768 in this input. Why would you want to use the VGA cable before the component inputs? Wouldn't you get a higher res out of the component cable (even though it is analog) than the VGA? BTW DVI being used by DVDHD931.

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Quick question (Yes I tried searching....) What is the resolution you are getting if you hook up the SIRTS160 with VGA cables to the HLN437W? I figured the max res is 1024*768 in this input. Why would you want to use the VGA cable before the component inputs? Wouldn't you get a higher res out of the component cable (even though it is analog) than the VGA? BTW DVI being used by DVDHD931.

I actually use DVI between my SIRTS160 and the Samsung. I've used VGA to connect my HTPC. My Bravo D1 player is used on the second Samsung DLP set.

Why would you think that VGA is limited to 1024x768? That's not true. VGA can be used for all the resolutions your set is capable of receiving.

So you can connect your SIRTS160 using VGA at 720p resolution. I don't really know how good the picture will be compared to component or DVI in this particular setup. Based on my experience, I'd say that it'll be better than component but not as good as DVI. Why don't you try all three and decide for yourself -- and share your observations here.

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Arun,

How did your new cable setup work out?

Does the Sammy take a DVI-D connector SINGLE or DUAL link?

I will be hooking a 467 to the Sammy DVD-HD931 AND Sammy STB.

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