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post #181 of 2859 Old 10-02-2004, 07:12 PM
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Do you guys think that it is worth having your set calibrated? That is something that I am really debating about my 46H84. I already did a 56 pt. convergence, corrected my geometry and overscan, and used DVE to get my settings right and the picture looks great. Much better than it did on my 42H83 and DVDs look as good as the HD does on the display model at Bestbuy. Would a calibration really make that much of a difference? I sure wish I could see a set that had been calibrated to know how much of a difference it would make.
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I guess it depends on what you bought the set for. This was one of the best bang for the buck sets when i was looking for one in January and before. I bought it as a stop gap until the newer tech sets could catch up to CRT's and become close price wise. You've done pretty much the same things calibration wise that i've done on mine. I'm just as happy with my PQ as you seem to be. If i had it ISF'd, that would drive the cost of my set up quite a bit, thus defeating my reasoning for buying it. Howevr, if i were to have bought it as 4-8 year set, that would possibly change my mind. I'd say if you are very happy with the PQ on it then i would probably forego the ISF route. If for no other reason than cost of calibration to cost of this set. Just my thoughts and of course i could be totally off my rocker.

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By the way, i saw your post about Yamaha speakers. I've got them (not the same ones you were asking about) in my system and am pretty happy with them. I've got them all the way around except for the sub. Click the "gallery" tab at the top of my post to see pics of my set-up and tell me what you think!

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I am pretty certain I'm getting this set, either in the 57" or 65". I'll be watching from between 10-15', depending on the chair/couch. Do you all think the 65" is too big for this set?
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Try setting your color temp at medium. Warm is to red. Most people that have these sets have them set to medium. Also make sure that "Flesh Tone is turned off. I've got the 46H83 , and it is very natural looking. By the way, my color setting is at 56. And tint is -6. My colors look great. It's the warm temp setting that is giving you guys to much red. Hope this helped. Try it out and let me know what you think.These settings should be pretty close for HIGHDEF's set being almost identical to my own. Don't know how close they will be on yours faheem5 being that you have a 65".

Thanks for the reply pittdog. I set the color temp to medium, and that seems to have cleared up the issue. I'm unsure as to whether the 57H84 has a flesh tone setting, as I am unable to find it in the standard menu. Would this be accessible only under the service menu? Also, do you have any advice about the red line curvature? It doesn't seem like my geometry is off, but I'd like to be able to know for certain. I am using DVE as a setup DVD.
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I'm not sure about where or if there is a flesh tone control on the H84's or not. Somebody who has one will have to let you know. But if your reds look better now then it's probably a moot point. Have you done service menu 56pt. convergence yet? I know there is a 56 pt. one in the user menu but it is still crosses instead of a full grid. This will show you any distortions in your grid lines like what you and Faheem were seeing on the debates with the red lines. Have you put up the grid on your DVE disc to see if your geometry is off. If the lines do not appear wavy on the DVE pattern, then your geometry is fine and what you and Faheem saw could have been a result of something in the broadcast. Any other questions don't hesitate to PM me or post again here. Hope all this stuff helps!

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I have a 65H84 Toshiba set and really really happy with it. No complaints whatsoever. PQ is excellent right out of the box, and watching DVD on it to me seems as though watching HD quality movie. It's that good! I haven't done any tweaking at all. The only thing I did was change the color, contrast all down to 50 and tint at 0. I don't have any calibration disk of any kind and plan on getting it.

The bad news is that I've lost the instruction/owner manual. Does anyone know I could get one downloaded from some website or could obtain one for a reasonable price somewhere? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Bought 57H84 yesterday to be delivered on Thursday.
Looks like retailers are making space for Christmas merchandise.
Got nice price (< 1500).
Also ordered Toshiba's combo DVD player SD-V592
online for just over 200. It has HDMI output.
Add to that a vanilla HTIB from Onkyo and I have my first home theater.
Let the microdisplay war settle for me to go more high tech.
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The owners manual for the 65H84 is not available at the Toshiba website, but the manual for the 57H84 should work as well. You can download it at
http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/Consu...V/2000tvct.htm
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What would you say is a good viewing distance for your set for:

HDTV

DVD

Digital Channels

Analog Channels

Thanks.
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About my curved line issue, I had the tech come out and do the gemotry for me, and it helped quite a bit, he spend about 5 min, starighting much as he can, before he said this is enogh, and I showed him the next problem, the red push, I suggested to him that warm adds to much red even on things that are white, like clip with white walls, and so on. He said for starters good you are on medium, then I cranked the setting to around 45-50 as you guys have it, and everythign gets over saturated. Around 33-35 seems real good to me, not to much getting washed out and things looking sharp, and if i crank it to around 45 then faces become very unnatural and red. I checked with sunday football and today with MNF and CSI. Same thing so my settings are as follows:

Contrast: 48
Brightness: 39
Color: 33
Tint: 0
Sharpnes: 27
Temp: Medium
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Gorak7,
I sit about 14ft away from the TV when I'm watching HDTV and DVD and Digital Channels. i don't have analog channels.
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Thanks, how would it look if you were closer? I'm thinking most times in the 10-11' range?
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gorak7,

I think it'll still look good at 11ft from what I remember. I'll check again and post when I get some time. I'm on business travel now.
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That would be great, thanks. I need to make the decision by Friday, and it is really just down to 57" or 65".

Thanks again.
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Does anybody know about using the 46H84 With their PC hooked up to it? I'm curious because right now I'm doing the full-on HTPC with my Radeon 9800 Video card going to my HDTV. Just picked up a cheap keyboard/optical mouse combo from Compusa to surf with. I noticed others are hooking their sets up to their PC's but a piece of paper that came with mine says it this:
Note: This TV is not intended for connection to and should not be used with a PC.. ????

I got it working both on S-video and Component from my PC but I'm using s-video now because the text is clearer. It's still a little blurry on the text side at 1024*768 but I haven't tried many tweaks. It sure is fun with the stereo hooked up and the Broad-Band kickin.

I also lowered my contrast/brightness to about 50/50 to try and avoid screen burn. Anyone know how long a stangnant image (TOOL BAR on bottom of windows) would take to burn? I don't want to damage my unit. Thanks for any info/experiece.

~46H84 Used for GAMING!, XBOX360, PC, PS3, HTPC, HDTV programming and movies occasionally. Favorite HD Channel:MOJO. 360&PS3 gaming goodness.~
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Try posting this same info in the HTPC forum.

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That would be great, thanks. I need to make the decision by Friday, and it is really just down to 57" or 65".

Thanks again.

Gorak7,

10-11ft still look pretty good. I just got home today and measured it out 10 ft looks good, 11 ft looks good. I'm currently sitting 12ft away from the 65" TV. I told you 14ft before...well I lied. I measured again and it's 12ft. I think my wife moved the sofars on me.
Hope that helps.
I'd get the 65" TV if your room is proportion to the 65"
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That is what I wanted to hear! I'm getting the 65". Our room is long and narrow so it should work perfect. Thanks a lot!
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That is what I wanted to hear! I'm getting the 65". Our room is long and narrow so it should work perfect. Thanks a lot!

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We have the Toshiba 65H84 and sit about 14 feet away. Only thing is that the brightness of the picture is such that you may have to re-light your viewing room. The set even when the brightness and contrast are adjusted still provides a very bright picture in a darkened room. Regardless you willl enjoy it.
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We've got the 57H83 and the "best" picture IMO is obtained in a completely dark room. The screen or the screen protector is so reflective that it shows any sunlight that creeps in or any lamp that's turned on.

Speaking of the screen, how do people clean yours ??
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"We have the Toshiba 65H84 and sit about 14 feet away. Only thing is that the brightness of the picture is such that you may have to re-light your viewing room. The set even when the brightness and contrast are adjusted still provides a very bright picture in a darkened room. Regardless you willl enjoy it."

an ideal-lume backlight will solve this problem in an instant.
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What DVD players are most people using with their 84? And what settings are the best for DVD, 540p or 1081i? I've heard many recommend the Zenith 318, that it upconverts to 1081i really well. How is the 84 when it comes to upconverting? Is it better to get a good upconverting DVD player for this tv?

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I've got a simple Toshiba SD-4900 using component cables and in progressive scan mode. I can't recall if the TV is set to up-convert it to 540p or 1080i though. I've switched it back and forth and couldn't tell a difference anyway.... The picture is incredible, nonetheless.
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My 57H84 comes on Wednesday, and I also just purchased a H/K DVD22. Are most people using a non-upconverting DVD player and letting the TV do the work? I hope the TV does a good job of upconverting. What are people noticing is the best... 540p or 1081i for DVDs?

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I've joined this club; my 57H84 will be delivered Oct. 24. Can't wait. Any tips/tricks I should know of?
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If it only takes one match to start a forestfire, then why does it take the whole#$%@!&* box to start a camp fire for the kids?!?!? PITTDOG1
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I plan to connect 4 devices to my TV: DirecTV non-HD receiver (video 1), VCR (video 2), DVD (HD-1), and OTA HD receiver (HD-2). Am I right in thinking that when I first start watching the set, I should select each input, adjust the picture for each input, and save each adjustment for each input?
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Also, I'm planning on getting an LG LST-4200a OTA HD receiver, which has DVI output but the 57H84 has HDMI. I'm using a DD surround sound receiver for audio; is it worth it to connect the DVI video (with an adapter) to the TV, or is component just as good?
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