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This article talks briefly about "TI's new 1080 chip" and wobulation... It also says "TI apparently has a new policy to just talk resolution and get away from dwelling on specific chip designations like HD2+, HD3, and so on."

http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/010705ces/
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Does anyone have a better picture(s) of the HLR6768 than the one on the first page of this thread (the one that APEARS to have a very shiny screen)? Tx much!
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Does anyone have a better picture(s) of the HLR6768 than the one on the first page of this thread (the one that APEARS to have a very shiny screen)? Tx much!

This was just posted in that other thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...117&fullpage=1
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Thanks much! This is a GREAT looking item. If the MSRP really is $6000 (< half the price of the Sony 70' sxrd), and all the excellent PQ reports hold up, I think they are going to sell a ton of these.

As soon as anyone has dimensions (particularly depth and weight), etc., please let us hear (I have notice the total width of 62" that has been reported.) (Didn't any of you guys at the CES take your Stanley steel tape with you!?)
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Added a link to the HLR6768W photo to the top of the thread. Updated the open issues question about video gaming question to ask specifically about lag.

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Here are the open issues now:

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?

2. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models? TI and Samsung are not discussing chips, simply referring to 1080p chips and 720p chips. One press release from Optoma talked about a HD4 (720p) chip and therefore it is really tough to understand what is going on with these chips. When TI introduced the xHD3 (1080p) they claimed a 5000:1 contrast ratio, so it would seem they have a new chip since this has risen to 10000:1 now.

3. What are the depth measurements, and or dimensions, on the new models by model number? Even a couple of reference points would allow us to see the trend.

4. Which models will offer IEEE 1394 ports? What will be the capability of those ports? A news report from TWICE mentioned 1394, was it just in error? IEEE 1394 info was from www.twice.com (http://www.twice.com/article/CA491026.html).

5. What is the contrast ratio spec's for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model?

6. Are these all of the planned models for 2005, or will Samsung be adding models later in the year? Last year they announced all of the 2004 models at CES.

7. Why aren't there any 46 or 50 1080p sets? I would really like to see a 50. Many have commented that 1080p is not needed or wasted at these sizes, but that does not make sense to me as I sit here working on a small computer monitor with more resolution than a 1080p HDTV.

8. Which of the current models will be continuing? Specifically, what are the plans for the HLPxx74W, Tantus thin bezel models. Many planning to buy in 2005 might want to know the fate of this HD2+ unit.

9. Can the 68 series or 88 series 1080p sets accept a 1080p signal via the HDMI input? The general feeling is that the answer is NO ... but, did anyone ask this specific question?

10. What is the capability of the 68/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming? Specifically, what is lag?

11. What computer resolutions are supported on the 1080p 68 and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) Specifically, does it support 1920x1080. See VGA / PC question below.

12. TOP PRIORITY QUESTION: Can anyone confirm that the 78 series 50" and 70" models are real production models?

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UCSB: Please add the question of WEIGHT of the HLR6768 to your list.
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Originally posted by millerwill
UCSB: Please add the question of WEIGHT of the HLR6768 to your list.

OK ... done. On the 67 series we know the weight range is going to be from 70 lbs - 120 lbs. It is probably a good indicator for the other models give or take a few pounds.

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Open issues:

1. What is the PQ on the new 1080p models?

2. What TI DLP chips are used in the new models? TI and Samsung are not discussing chips, simply referring to 1080p chips and 720p chips. One press release from Optoma talked about a HD4 (720p) chip and therefore it is really tough to understand what is going on with these chips. When TI introduced the xHD3 (1080p) they claimed a 5000:1 contrast ratio, so it would seem they have a new chip since this has risen to 10000:1 now.

3. What are the DEPTH measurements, dimensions, and weight on the new models by model number? Even a couple of reference points would allow us to see the trend.

4. Which models will offer IEEE 1394 ports? What will be the capability of those ports? A news report from TWICE mentioned 1394, was it just in error? IEEE 1394 info was from www.twice.com (http://www.twice.com/article/CA491026.html).

5. What is the contrast ratio spec's for the HLR5087W 720p pedestal model?

6. Are these all of the planned models for 2005, or will Samsung be adding models later in the year? Last year they announced all of the 2004 models at CES.

7. Why aren't there any 46 or 50 1080p sets? I would really like to see a 50. Many have commented that 1080p is not needed or wasted at these sizes, but that does not make sense to me as I sit here working on a small computer monitor with more resolution than a 1080p HDTV.

8. Which of the current models will be continuing? Specifically, what are the plans for the HLPxx74W, Tantus thin bezel models. Many planning to buy in 2005 might want to know the fate of this HD2+ unit.

9. Can the 68 series or 88 series 1080p sets accept a 1080p signal via the HDMI input? The general feeling is that the answer is NO ... but, did anyone ask this specific question?

10. What is the capability of the 68/88 series 1080p sets to handle computer/video gaming? Specifically, what is lag?

11. What computer resolutions are supported on the 1080p 68 and 88 series sets (1920x1080?)? How would this work through the HDMI connection (via DVI - HDMI cable?) Specifically, does it support 1920x1080. See VGA / PC question below.

12. TOP PRIORITY QUESTION: Can anyone confirm that the 78 series 50" and 70" models are real production models?

> Bill
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Bill,

In your first post, you can add the HLR5678W and the HLR6178W to the 78 Series.

TetsujinWave has confirmed it with these pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...348&fullpage=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...899&fullpage=1
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Bill,

In your first post, you can add the HLR5678W and the HLR6178W to the 78 Series.

TetsujinWave has confirmed it with these pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...348&fullpage=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...899&fullpage=1

This brings us to a point that I have been thinking about since yesterday. I really think the 78 series is a real production series. It will be sold in higher-end retailers, like Magnolia, here is CA. The 68 / 67 series will probably be sold in Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. type of stores. Who knows, now that they have the 1080p units, the 67 series might even show up at Costco. Those that have been following the Samsung DLP products for awhile will remember the two cabinets offered in the HLN line. One was all silver (Best Buy) and the other had a nice dark grey / black bezel (Magnolia). Internals were the same.

So I need to make a decision that hopefully everyone can help me with: Do I just add 50", 56", 61", 67", 70" models into the 78 line, punch in the same June dates and essentially go with the concept that these are internally the same as the 68 series, just a cosmetic version for another retail channel? If I did this, the 78 series would become our new top-of-the-line.

Also, I'm still not sure that Samsung is not going to slip the IEEE 1394 input/output of the 70 into the entire series. Plus what about the electronic program guide? Also, I am still not sure that the 70 is a production unit. Any ideas on whether there will be a difference in price between the 68 and 78 series?

Everyone please ADVISE! then I will update the data at the top of the thread.

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Everyone please ADVISE! … then I will update the data at the top of the thread.

Even the stuff that seems confirmed can change. That seems to be a Samsung thing.

I would put a big notice at the top that everything is subject to change. Then I would flag anything that is a projection of the probable.

Then I would prepare for endless questions as reality unfolds this year.
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UCSB, I think htwaits is right, go ahead and put everything in with a caveat that this is info gleaned from many sources and anything and everything is subject to change. Can't say thank you enough for all the work you have done in keeping the information organized. I'm not sure, but I think at this point you know more about the 2005 Samsung DLP lineup than Samsung does
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I agree--htwaits has the best idea. This is a trade show; really none of it is concrete. Last year the xHD3 set was supposed to debut in September.

You see how that went.

It is what it is, a glimpse at two possible 1080p DLP lines from Samsung.
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UCSB: I thought the 67" model was only in the xx68 series ('floating screen' cabinet). There isn't a 6778 ('black lacquer' cabinet) is there?
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millerwill is correct. The 67" was shown only in the 68 "floating screen" design, and the 70" and 50" 1080p Samsungs were only shown in the 78 "black lacquer" design.
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Originally posted by TetsujinWave
millerwill is correct. The 67" was shown only in the 68 "floating screen" design, and the 70" and 50" 1080p Samsungs were only shown in the 78 "black lacquer" design.

OK ... I will add a note that the 67 was not shown.

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Bill,

Here are some pictures that you could add to the main post for the 78 Series:

78 Series Info
HLR5678W Photo #2
HLR5678W Photo #3
HLR5678W Placecard
HLR7078W Photo #3
HLR7078W Photo #4
70 Inch Info
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Wait wait wait..... VGA for computer?

That's disgusting. Seriously DVI is the way to go for computers, and and everything in between... So the word is there's no DVI at all on the new Sammy's?

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Bill,

Here are some pictures that you could add to the main post for the 68 Series:

68 Series Info
Floating Screen Close-up - Could add this in the 67 Series pics too?
HLR5668W Photo #1
HLR5668W Photo #2
HLR5668W Placecard
HLR6168W Photo #2
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Bill,

Here are some pictures that you could add to the main post for the 68 Series:

Floating Screen Display Info - Could add this in the 67 Series pics too?
Floating Screen Close-up - Could add this in the 67 Series pics too?
HLR5668W Photo #1
HLR5668W Photo #2
HLR5668W Placecard
HLR6168W Photo #2

I will add these photos ... but, first we need to sort through a couple of issues or I am going to cause some serious confusion.

In the list of photos above and this list. The posters show two things that require some discussion.

First, they are showing TV Guide as the on screen program guide. Does anyone know what models are going to support this? All of them?

Second, the poster in this group of photos show IEEE 1394. Same issue ... what models. I need a little education here at this point. What are the details on AnyNet? It is not 1394, right?

I really need to understand these posters before I associate them with specific models. HELP.

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I just noticed that on both of these pics, it says IEEE 1394 - So hopefully the 68 and 78 Series will support IEEE 1394.

68 Series Info
78 Series Info
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Bill,

The link I called "Floating Screen Display Info" was really the "68 Series Info".

I have corrected my original post.

I believe the "68 Series Info" pic applies to the entire 68 Series, and the "78 Series Info" pic applies to the entire 78 Series.
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Originally posted by Daphoid
Wait wait wait..... VGA for computer?

That's disgusting. Seriously DVI is the way to go for computers, and and everything in between... So the word is there's no DVI at all on the new Sammy's?

- D

One or two HDMI and a VGA/PC input. We are trying to sort through whether a DVI-to-HDMI cable would work and at what resolutions.

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Bill,

The link I called "Floating Screen Display Info" was really the "68 Series Info".

I have corrected my original post.

I believe the "68 Series Info" pic applies to the entire 68 Series, and the "78 Series Info" pic applies to the entire 78 Series.

I would like to hold off for a few hours and hope we get some comments on: 1) TV Guide program guide; 2) IEEE 1394; 3) AnyNet.

My expectations at this point. It would not surprise me if TV Guide was offered on ALL models. It would not surprise me if IEEE1394 was offered on 78 series (maybe 68 series and 88 series). Finally, I just need to be educated on AnyNet.

Thanks for finding the photos ... I'll add them on the next revision.

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And one thinks that the 'innards' of the xx68 and xx78 will be identical, only the cabinet different?
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Also, it looks like the HLR6168 and 6768 have a 'stand' added to the base (which the smaller xx68's do not have), very much like the present hlp 6163. And I assume that (just like the hlp6163) one can remove it.
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Originally posted by UCSB
Finally, I just need to be educated on AnyNet.

From my understanding, AnyNet is available on all the new sets. It is talked about in the Samsung press release:
http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/P...106_0000090605

Back in September 2004 was when we first heard about AnyNet. Steve Panosian mentioned it in an e-mail to me. Here is the post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...58#post4403958
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After re-reading Steve Panosian's reply to my e-mail back in September 2004, I noticed this:

"2) We will transition this series to a new design mid year that will include the integrated design. So, no 77 series will come.. it'll be called something a little different but it will be a "70" series."

I guess we can assume this is the 78 Series...right?

Here's my e-mail to him and his reply from September 2004:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...58#post4403958
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The only place I saw a 70" Samsung was on Thursday at the TI booth. The next day the sign had been changed to 67". My guess the 70" sign might have been a mistake. Yes, I did use a tape measure on the 67" and as stated it was 62 1/4" wide. I have about one inch to spare. Iwas told the difference between 68 and 78 was the shiny bezel and the speakers, but no internal difference.
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Has anyone confirmed that the people talking about the 70" were not just sloppy estimates of the 67" model?

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omg the 67" is 62 1/4" wide (I'm assuming you mean from left to right) and are you referring to the screen or the unit?

If the unit, then omg it'll fit in my spot!! I'll have like 1/8th of an inch on either side, but DAMNIT it'll fit!

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